List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[bedford]

The Age have predicted us taking Faull and Hannaford with our first picks

https://archive.md/Hwltw

Good on them

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Good on them

Come on I’ve backed you for the Bronze

 

[bedford]

A lot of them have us taking a KPF and a small or medium forward with our first two.

They don't know !

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They don't know !

Hey beautiful that’s my split with Kennedy in 3rd round

 

[Bloods86]

All im saying with regards to point 2 is that we are going to get that first round selection whether it be in 2024 or 2027.

I just think that many have said that the depth of the draft is where the value is and thus later picks are where the undervalue comes from in this draft not in the picks in the mid teens to early 20s.

Therefore it is more valuable to still have our F1 and picks in the 40s-60s than giving away our F1 for pick 25, but in the end thats just my opinion on how i view getting maximum value out of the draft.

I get the comments about depth, but from my perspective there are specific needs and then specific players that seem to address those needs in the draft. So my justification would be doing whatever we can to lock the best possible players in for those needs before other teams pick them, without being outrageous obviously. Timing, windows and advanced development and all that.

A lot of my draft scenarios have been switching priorities around based on what others have said they want, and there definitely appears to value late across a number of positions.

I'm just suggesting with this pick trade and selections, what I would look at doing.

Having said all this, if we keep our current picks, use our firsts and then later picks on some of the players I've mentioned, or at least the types we need, then I'll still be pretty happy about our draft.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I think we need another one or two by end of 2025 given likely exits, so common sense says if you're drafting one, do it sooner... but we do at least have 2 that might be ready for some games next year. In terms of key forward depth, we have a hobbled Buller (still have hopes for him) and medium forward, we have none, as examples. I still think we pick a KPD in addition to Cochran, but maybe late/rookie.

Agree on inside mid drafting, should get one.

I don't see Francis, Cochran or Snell as lockdown KPDs. The only one we might have had is Hamling and we have declined to use him. All our eggs are in the Edwards basket. I would really like us to take Matt Whitlock, spend a couple of years building him up.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I get the comments about depth, but from my perspective there are specific needs and then specific players that seem to address those needs in the draft. So my justification would be doing whatever we can to lock the best possible players in for those needs before other teams pick them, without being outrageous obviously. Timing, windows and advanced development and all that.

A lot of my draft scenarios have been switching priorities around based on what others have said they want, and there definitely appears to value late across a number of positions.

I'm just suggesting with this pick trade and selections, what I would look at doing.

Having said all this, if we keep our current picks, use our firsts and then later picks on some of the players I've mentioned, or at least the types we need, then I'll still be pretty happy about our draft.

What you say about getting development into players early is bang on. The earlier you start the sooner you get return on investment.
My only caveat is that I would like to see better development than we have been providing of late.

 

[anotherletdown]

It won’t be- next years is highly compromised. Get the talent in now

You can get good talent later in this draft - Kennedy, Johnson, Boxshall, Ough. O'Farrell, Gerreyn, Sims, Stumpf, Murphy. I'd take 4 in the 30/40s rather than our top 2.

If it ends up us taking only 2 live picks and Cochrane soaking up the 3rd we've bombed this draft.

I'd look to trade one of ours for the Dogs 25 and 35. Or 19 + something for Richmond's 23+24

 

[Bloods86]

You can get good talent later in this draft - Kennedy, Johnson, Boxshall, Ough. O'Farrell, Gerreyn, Sims, Stumpf, Murphy. I'd take 4 in the 30/40s rather than our top 2.

If it ends up us taking only 2 live picks and Cochrane soaking up the 3rd we've bombed this draft.

I'd look to trade one of ours for the Dogs 25 and 35. Or 19 + something for Richmond's 23+24

We wouldn't have opened up so many senior list spots if we weren't intending to take 4 at least in the national draft. Think we're likely to take 5 at the national, including Cochran, then a rookie.

 

[Kbroome]

I don't see Francis, Cochran or Snell as lockdown KPDs. The only one we might have had is Hamling and we have declined to use him. All our eggs are in the Edwards basket. I would really like us to take Matt Whitlock, spend a couple of years building him up.

Matt Whitlock is another intercept defender. One of his biggest weaknesses is his strength due to his body structure. Would just be adding another 2nd/3rd tall type

 

[rustycrate]

How much better is a small forward going to be from Cleary or Hanily etc.
How much better is a KP player going to be as they take 2-3 years to develop
Usually the high impact players are the mids or wingers and we sure as hell don't need a winger

So the only player that could really impact is a tough gritty on baller or potentially a medium forward. Of which the hope would be that we grab a medium forward early anyway.

Just hope out of the draft what ever route we go it shows that we are intent on change the forward structure, whether that be to an extra small or a second medium just hope we go and focus on that end of the field

a small fwd like Datolli could be better.

 

[Kbroome]

a small fwd like Datolli could be better.

Cleary if he played the full season as a small forward would average 1 goal per game.

A first year small forward in Nick Watson in the Hawks lineup kicked 25 goals in 18 games which is 1.39 goals per game. I don't think Datolli is at the level as Watson so i think that Cleary and Datolli would average near enough the same that i wouldn't be spending an extra future first to grab a small forward

 

[Kiama Chris]

a small fwd like Datolli could be better.

I like the look of Dattoli in that he could potentially get into seniors as an effective small forward during 2025 and graduate to the midfield after a few years or remain forward depending on his and the team's evolution.
Hannaford looks OK too but is more like Wicks. Not to say we shouldn't take him but less point of difference.

 

[Bloods86]

Cleary if he played the full season as a small forward would average 1 goal per game.

A first year small forward in Nick Watson in the Hawks lineup kicked 25 goals in 18 games which is 1.39 goals per game. I don't think Datolli is at the level as Watson so i think that Cleary and Datolli would average near enough the same that i wouldn't be spending an extra future first to grab a small forward

I think we have enough small forward options, just need to actually play them.

But I have come around to someone like Hannaford, Gross, Phoenix Hargrave later as small fwd / mid options (progressively get more mid-ish in that order).

 

[Kiama Chris]

Matt Whitlock is another intercept defender. One of his biggest weaknesses is his strength due to his body structure. Would just be adding another 2nd/3rd tall type

Reportedly both Whitlocks have added a fair bit of meat and play pretty aggressively.

 

[Bloods86]

I like the look of Dattoli in that he could potentially get into seniors as an effective small forward during 2025 and graduate to the midfield after a few years or remain forward depending on his and the team's evolution.
Hannaford looks OK too but is more like Wicks. Not to say we shouldn't take him but less point of difference.

Hannaford has bolted up a bit based on bags of 6 and 5 late in the season, the 6 goals in a quarter final. Also known for defensive pressure and had played as a lockdown small defender at times. But anyway, not sure he's just a defensive forward. Picked up 24 touches and a goal as a mid in the Coates GF.

 

[Membling]

Matt Whitlock is another intercept defender. One of his biggest weaknesses is his strength due to his body structure. Would just be adding another 2nd/3rd tall type

Mraz is one that does interest me if we went a lockdown KPD.

Though I know nothing and eveey year it is a shot in the dark with the Swans first. And second. And third rounders

 

[Bandicoot]

Rather just take the key forward and then the small defender and there are a million variations of that. I'd actually trade our f1 into this year the club won't

Wouldn't have thought we could afford to give up our F1 this year with the number of good academy kids next year.

 

[Bloods86]

Wouldn't have thought we could afford to give up our F1 this year with the number of good academy kids next year.

Not sure of the connection. If anything we would hope we could use our F1 before any bids. If we have any prospects that are likely to get bid on around our first pick, we'd be trading it out to later picks anyway.

And in 2025, we have the ability to trade in and out of 2 x future drafts.

 

[Kbroome]

There was a YT live mock draft and Sydney ended up with Hannaford, Matt Whitlock, Noah Miraz and Joel Cochran.

Single handedly the worst set of selections i have seen in this offseason by any mock draft and i had so much respect for Dylan and the work he does but its clear he doesn't understand the bidding system and secondly was lazy with looking at the Swans needs. We don't need 3 bloody KPDs

 

[Kiama Chris]

Not sure of the connection. If anything we would hope we could use our F1 before any bids. If we have any prospects that are likely to get bid on around our first pick, we'd be trading it out to later picks anyway.

And in 2025, we have the ability to trade in and out of 2 x future drafts.

My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Carmichael and Chamberlain are at this stage expected to go top 25 and King might go top 40 if he has a decent season. At this point in time we only have our own picks in next year's draft. Let's imagine we finish 6th and have 12, 30, 48 and 66 before shenanigans. We might want to use 12 before our kids or split it to use on our kids depending how they go, which we don't yet know. In 2026 we MIGHT have McCartney and McGroder (probably not but who knows yet) who are both likely to be first rounders. I struggle to see us using up 2026 picks in 2025 UNLESS we're pretty certain we'll miss on those two or we're dead-set gambling.
So I think bringing in F1 is highly unlikely unless we're gambling.

 

[Bloods86]

There was a YT live mock draft and Sydney ended up with Hannaford, Matt Whitlock, Noah Miraz and Joel Cochran.

Single handedly the worst set of selections i have seen in this offseason by any mock draft and i had so much respect for Dylan and the work he does but its clear he doesn't understand the bidding system and secondly was lazy with looking at the Swans needs. We don't need 3 bloody KPDs

Haven't looked but I assume he thought Matt Whitlock might still end up as a KPF. If not, then it is fairly skewed.

 

[Kbroome]

Haven't looked but I assume he thought Matt Whitlock might still end up as a KPF. If not, then it is fairly skewed.

Hannaford then Whitlock because Whitlock could play both ends of the field. Then Miraz slid so he picked him up at 40 when it should have been Day-Wicks at that point and then he just decided to be lazy and pick Cochran at 54 when i was screaming out for Murphy

 

[bedford]

Matt Whitlock is another intercept defender. One of his biggest weaknesses is his strength due to his body structure. Would just be adding another 2nd/3rd tall type

Have you seem him play ?

 

[Bloods86]

My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Carmichael and Chamberlain are at this stage expected to go top 25 and King might go top 40 if he has a decent season. At this point in time we only have our own picks in next year's draft. Let's imagine we finish 6th and have 12, 30, 48 and 66 before shenanigans. We might want to use 12 before our kids or split it to use on our kids depending how they go, which we don't yet know. In 2026 we MIGHT have McCartney and McGroder (probably not but who knows yet) who are both likely to be first rounders. I struggle to see us using up 2026 picks in 2025 UNLESS we're pretty certain we'll miss on those two or we're dead-set gambling.
So I think bringing in F1 is highly unlikely unless we're gambling.

In 2025, we can use 2027 picks as leverage too, not just 2026.

If we had Pick 12 next year, I'd imagine we'd try and use it before any bids. I suspect finishing 6th will net you around pick 15 given free agency, F/S and other academy bids. But as long as it doesn't get close to where we think the academy kids get bid on, we'd keep it.

If we don't lose any players, I could absolutely see us raiding 2026, then raiding 2027 in 2026 if we do have highly rated academy kids.

So then if we're just going to use the F1 on a single player, I think it's worth considering bringing it forward.