List Mgmt. 2024 Father Son watch MKIII. Operation Ashcroft jnr. Featuring various academy boys.

[Jivlain]

 

[Tom14]

I'm all for players being able to dictate their own destiny with free agency, as long as clubs can trade players while under contract to where ever they want to send them.

Couldn't be more opposed to that. Players aren't paid enough in our sport to be forcibly be traded to a completely different city and be separated from families or have to consider school changes for kids, job changes for partners etc. That exists in american sport because their player unions are generally so weak.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Couldn't be more opposed to that. Players aren't paid enough in our sport to be forcibly be traded to a completely different city and be separated from families or have to consider school changes for kids, job changes for partners etc. That exists in american sport because their player unions are generally so weak.

Id do it but only to the state they choose. So if they want to return to WA, they have no say on which team

 

[irel]

I'm all for players being able to dictate their own destiny with free agency, as long as clubs can trade players while under contract to where ever they want to send them.

Definitely not. No one has a right to your labour. You chose with whom and where you want to be employed.


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[SpecialBruce]

Definitely not. No one has a right to your labour. You chose with whom and where you want to be employed.


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Even if you are earning 500,000 a year?

 

[Sanchez365]

I appreciate my sentiment is perhaps not the most liked suggestion haha. If I had to choose something immediately to change though it would be the salary cap floor. The 5% difference, even with banking to get you an extra 10% isn't enough to get players to move.

If North could front load a contract for a 26 year old star of the game, offer them 1.5mil a season rather then the 900k they get somewhere else, that might turn the balance around to the lower teams.

But players would have to agree to that too, and why would they want clubs to be able to pay them nothing.

 

[irel]

Even if you are earning 500,000 a year?

One dollar or 10 million, no one has the right to own or take away your liberty to chose your own destiny.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I probably should know this, but do players have contracts with the club or the AFL? I’ve always assumed it’s the club, but by entering “the system” be it the draft or other means you’re entering into a talent pool whose conditions are set out largely by the AFL.

By making the voluntary decision to enter into the AFL so do agree to abide by its rules. What is one of those rules is “play where you’re told”. I don’t like it and I know the draft is a legally tenuous instrument which is probably why we now have these concession to free agency. But you have to wonder how stable the whole thing is.

I’m sure there’s some brights sparks here familiar with labour law and contracts who could put their 2 cents in.

 

[spotthedog1]

One dollar or 10 million, no one has the right to own or take away your liberty to chose your own destiny.

They are choosing to play football. They aren't sewing footballs in a prison camp. They can quit any time they like, and take up landscaping, bricklaying, or any other job they like. This is not a great imposition on their freedom.

 

[dlanod]

I probably should know this, but do players have contracts with the club or the AFL? I’ve always assumed it’s the club, but by entering “the system” be it the draft or other means you’re entering into a talent pool whose conditions are set out largely by the AFL.

By making the voluntary decision to enter into the AFL so do agree to abide by its rules. What is one of those rules is “play where you’re told”. I don’t like it and I know the draft is a legally tenuous instrument which is probably why we now have these concession to free agency. But you have to wonder how stable the whole thing is.

I’m sure there’s some brights sparks here familiar with labour law and contracts who could put their 2 cents in.

Contracts are with the club, however there are a set of conditions you need to sign agreement to in your draft nomination form including "play where you're drafted". Most of the subsequent signing restrictions are actually on the clubs, to stop them attempting to sign players through non-endorsed means.

 

[cotter101]

I'm all for players being able to dictate their own destiny with free agency, as long as clubs can trade players while under contract to where ever they want to send them.

This. Players unfortunately get it too easy being able to dictate where they go, particularly under contract.

It’s been pushed for by some clubs for a while now. Only a matter of time. It will be progressive shift that will be state based at first as someone suggested above.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

What's the knock on George Stevens he looks like an Ollie Wines clone.

 

[Dalions]

What's the knock on George Stevens he looks like an Ollie Wines clone.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I find it extraordinary that AFL supporters have been conditioned to think that it is OK to punish the successful and reward the mediocre.
Perhaps this sort of thinking and acceptance is reflective of Australian society in general, often referred to as the tall poppy syndrome.

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Go follow the Premier League then, biggest wallet wins. That's the true free market way.

 

[Section 5]

I probably should know this, but do players have contracts with the club or the AFL? I’ve always assumed it’s the club, but by entering “the system” be it the draft or other means you’re entering into a talent pool whose conditions are set out largely by the AFL.

By making the voluntary decision to enter into the AFL so do agree to abide by its rules. What is one of those rules is “play where you’re told”. I don’t like it and I know the draft is a legally tenuous instrument which is probably why we now have these concession to free agency. But you have to wonder how stable the whole thing is.

I’m sure there’s some brights sparks here familiar with labour law and contracts who could put their 2 cents in.

As long as the AFLPA and the AFL can come to a written agreement i don't think any player will seek other Australian laws to get a better result for themselves.

The CBA only refers to the "AFL Standard Playing Contract".
As dlanod mentioned it is between the club and player, but all contracts have to be approved by the AFL.
I imagine somewhere in that standard contract it would mention abiding by AFL Rules, CBA and any other AFL type process like MRO etc.
The 2023 CBA document runs to 182 pages and covers just about everything a player can and can't do excluding what toilet paper you can use.

The AFL Rules 2023 is 197 pages and duplicates a lot contained in the CBA.
Most likely gets updated now that a new CBA has been signed.
.........

To answer the bolded in your post, below from the 2023 CBA

AFL Rules (page 15)
(a)
Each of the Parties agree that the AFL Rules and AFLW Rules are necessary and reasonable and have been established for the proper protection of the legitimate interests of AFL.

(b)
AFLPA and each Player it represents agrees with AFL that any restrictions contained in the AFL Rules and AFLW Rules, including without limitation, restrictions on the freedom of Players to transfer from one Club to another, and restrictions on the AFL and AFLW Total Player Payments for each Club, are necessary and reasonable for the purpose of protecting the legitimate interests of AFL, the Clubs and the AFL and AFLW Competitions.

4. Free Agency (page 112)
The Free Agency Rules as set out at Annexure C, which must be agreed between the Parties, will apply.

5. Exchange of AFL Players (page 112)
No Club will exchange any AFL Player unless the AFL Player has been given as much notice as possible by the Club of its intention to trade without any duress being applied by the Club, its employees or agents to the AFL Player and the AFL Player genuinely consents to the trade.

 

[Viceregal]

5. Exchange of AFL Players (page 112)
No Club will exchange any AFL Player unless the AFL Player has been given as much notice as possible by the Club of its intention to trade without any duress being applied by the Club, its employees or agents to the AFL Player and the AFL Player genuinely consents to the trade.

Does "'we won't be playing you anymore' thus significantly reducing the income due to lack of player payments and 'we don't want you anymore' thus providing psychological pain and isolation" count as 'duress?

 

[Gadzorks]

One dollar or 10 million, no one has the right to own or take away your liberty to chose your own destiny.

I was transferred to Hong Kong and then to Singapore. Technically I had a choice, but reality was I'd have been redundant if I didn't go.

And I only dream about 500k a year.

 

[Tom14]

I was transferred to Hong Kong and then to Singapore. Technically I had a choice, but reality was I'd have been redundant if I didn't go.

And I only dream about 500k a year.

Ideally, we'd have a labour law system that would prevent that for anyone. In any case, I can't see it ever happening, AFLPA unlikely to ever agree to it.

 

[McIvor]

Go follow the Premier League then, biggest wallet wins. That's the true free market way.

Funnily enough we gad the baseball on earlier and it said that one teams annual roster was $263M compared to there opponents $142M. Phillies v Arizona. Phillies won. I find it unbelievable that world sports are ok I mean in soccer if you follow say a mid to low range team, I’m guessing your only ever highlight is winning a game against a big team because it’s not like you are ever winning silverware. Kind of pointless these comps in me view.

 

[p4p1]

Not yet willing to say Rayner over Brayshaw was a blunder. Rayner is only 23 and missed a whole year with an ACL. It took De Goey until 25 to become a full time mid and that's without doing a knee. Brayshaw is good but doesn't have the same game-breaking impact that De Goey does and I still suspect Rayner can bring eventually.

I love Cam don't get me wrong, but Brayshaw is by far the better player and more than likely will continue to be. You may not have seen him have a 'game breaking impact' but his consistency, two way running etc are game breaking in itself.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I love Cam don't get me wrong, but Brayshaw is by far the better player and more than likely will continue to be. You may not have seen him have a 'game breaking impact' but his consistency, two way running etc are game breaking in itself.

We do have a Brayshaw in Ashcroft and Freo don't have a Rayner

 

[rye]

We do have a Brayshaw in Ashcroft and Freo don't have a Rayner

brayshaw and ashcroft are not very similar imo.

 

[irel]

Funnily enough we gad the baseball on earlier and it said that one teams annual roster was $263M compared to there opponents $142M. Phillies v Arizona. Phillies won. I find it unbelievable that world sports are ok I mean in soccer if you follow say a mid to low range team, I’m guessing your only ever highlight is winning a game against a big team because it’s not like you are ever winning silverware. Kind of pointless these comps in me view.

Kind of like following St Kilda, Bulldogs, Dockers, Suns, Giants. Pointless really.

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[Grasshopper17]

The 2023 CBA document runs to 182 pages and covers just about everything a player can and can't do excluding what toilet paper you can use.

This will be rectified for the next CBA, but it's also why it's taking so long to come to fruition. They can't decide whether Quilton or Sorbent should get the gig.

 

[Tom14]

brayshaw and ashcroft are not very similar imo.

Yes, ashcroft is better

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Kind of like following St Kilda, Bulldogs, Dockers, Suns, Giants. Pointless really.

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All bar one of those has played in a grand final in the last 15 years. Bit different to a struggling Premier League club with no chance of silverware