Discussion 2024 General AFL Discussion

[beside the seaside]

could line up nicely where we knock em out the 4 in round 23

You mean knock them out of the 8

 

[saintbill]

Hawks are the best team to watch in football.

 

[Bill Crouse]

Hawks are the best team to watch in football.

Huge choke to lose that game.

 

[Sully111]

Hawks lose.... LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

 

[saintbill]

Huge choke to lose that game.

Probably cost them finals. Going to be real good next year though.

 

[jumperfan]

Excellent win by GWS

 

[gubby88]

Hawks are the best team to watch in football.

means bugger all if you cant win....

 

[Plugger35]

Great comeback win for the Giants, puts them up to third on the ladder and puts a dent in the cocky Hawks finals chances.

They are great to watch with Hogan and Toby Greene

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firing up forward, I wouldn't mind seeing them win the flag this year.

 

[saintbill]

means bugger all if you cant win....

They have been winning plenty. Will learn from today. I would be pretty excited if I was a Hawks fan.

 

[gubby88]

Great comeback win for the Giants, puts them up to third on the ladder and puts a dent in the cocky Hawks finals chances.

They are great to watch with Hogan and Toby Greene firing up forward, I wouldn't mind seeing them win the flag this year.

also moves carlton to 8 hehehe

 

[PoppedCorn]

You mean knock them out of the 8

depends
predictor still has them finishing 4th


but out the 8 will do
gws good game
looked gone

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Saints gettin' smashed and Essendon coming back, what a day to be alive.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Saints gettin' smashed and Essendon coming back, what a day to be alive.

Thank god Carlton lost

 

[EconomicDecline]

Norf BF nuffies yet again looking to embarrass themselves.

 

[StCicatriz]

The allegations at the heart of the Hawks’ racism case

When Hawthorn First Nations players threatened a boycott, Alastair Clarkson reached for his guitar, court claim alleges.

www.theage.com.au

anyone got this?

 

[jumperfan]

The allegations at the heart of the Hawks’ racism case

When Hawthorn First Nations players threatened a boycott, Alastair Clarkson reached for his guitar, court claim alleges.

www.theage.com.au

anyone got this?

Three former Hawthorn players, headed by club great Cyril Rioli, have provided detailed claims of their experiences as part of their racism court action against their former club.
The document contains allegations of wrongdoing by club officials and alleges that a former Hawthorn premiership player made a racist remark about a former teammate’s partner.

Former Hawthorn star Cyril Rioli.Credit: Fairfax Media
Their statement of claim – which also includes Rioli’s wife, Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, his ex-teammates Carl Peterson and Jermaine Miller-Lewis, and Indigenous ex-official Leon Egan and the partner of another former player – lodged in the Federal Court alleges that, due to “unlawful discrimination” by Hawthorn, the players suffered “distress”, “psychological harm” and “personal harm”.
In the case of the three players, it is also claimed that they suffered a “loss of earnings and loss of earning capacity”.

The players, their partners, and Egan have not specified an amount for damages in their claim, as is customary for Federal Court actions but are seeking damages, aggravated damages and an apology from the club.
The club will file its defence and respond to each of these claims in due course.
The claim, filed in the Federal Court of Australia, is the result of a breakdown in mediation talks with the Hawks at the Human Rights Commission.
The document recounts many of the allegations that were the subject of the AFL inquiry, such as the allegation that Clarkson – in the presence of Chris Fagan and welfare manager Jason Burt – encouraged Peterson to separate from his pregnant partner and for her to terminate her pregnancy. Clarkson, Fagan and Burt strenuously deny that allegation.
But the document also reveals fresh claims, such as Clarkson’s alleged dealings with Rioli in the Northern Territory in 2017, including when he visited Cyril Rioli’s father unannounced in an Alice Springs hospital.

Four-time premiership player Grant Birchall.Credit: Eddie Jim
The document identifies four-time Hawthorn premiership star Grant Birchall as the player who allegedly used a racial slur when asking about the partner of former Hawk and now Saint Bradley Hill on an end-of-season players’ trip in Bali.
“At an end-of-season players’ trip, an Indigenous player (Mr Bradley Hill) was asked by a non-Indigenous player (Mr Grant Birchall) whether Mr Hill’s partner was also a ‘boong’,” the document alleges.
The Age contacted Birchall for comment in relation to the allegation.
It is alleged that Hill told Rioli of the comment on the first day of pre-season and that Hawthorn took no action as a result of the remark.

The statement of claim alleges Clarkson used to call Rioli “Humphrey B Bear” during his time at Hawthorn.

The document alleges Ah Sam-Rioli took Cyril Rioli’s teenage nephew to the players’ change rooms to see him and a Hawthorn employee asked to see their wristbands, pointed at the young boy and said: “Now you behave yourself when you go in there”.
The statement alleges that Rioli and his wife felt “culturally unsafe” at Hawthorn from about July 2015 and Rioli eventually decided to retire in 2018 after comments were allegedly made to his wife by former club president Jeff Kennett at Launceston airport after a match in relation to her wearing “ripped jeans”.
Kennett is alleged to have asked Ah Sam-Rioli: “Can’t you afford to buy thread?”

Former Hawks president Jeff Kennett.Credit: Eddie Jim
In the period after Kennett’s alleged comments, Hawthorn officials attempted to broker a meeting between Kennett and the Riolis, in which the document alleges Kennett told them: “I can’t help how you feel”.
Kennett told this masthead that the comment to Ah Sam-Rioli regarding her jeans was similar to jokes he had made many times previously with many other people. He said he had not meant to cause offence.
Ex-Hawk, Kangaroo and Sun Jed Anderson is mentioned in the context of an encounter with Clarkson and the Riolis, in which Clarkson is alleged to have suggested Anderson’s partner return to Darwin.
The 89-page statement of claim details the allegation that Clarkson told Peterson to “break up” with his partner and “tell her to terminate the pregnancy” or his football career would be “in jeopardy”.

An AFL investigation found no adverse findings against Clarkson, Fagan or former Hawks welfare manager Jason Burt. They have all strenuously denied any wrongdoing and rejected accusations of racism.

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan, pictured in 2015.Credit: AFL Photos
In May, the Australian Human Rights Commission terminated a claim against Hawthorn by the First Nations ex-players and their partners after the parties failed to come to a deal.
The AFL was not involved in the Human Rights Commission hearing, the league having set up a four-member panel to investigate the allegations. The AFL cleared the former Hawthorn officials of any wrongdoing under league rules last year. Hawthorn has not received any official sanction, either.
Hawks great Rioli is the lead applicant in the court action in which five former Hawthorn figures and their partners are seeking damages, aggravated damages and apologies from the club.

It details allegations that football department official Cam Matthews, now with Clarkson at North Melbourne, rejected requests for Miller-Lewis to spend time with his partner and their newborn baby in Perth.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...group-after-asic-arrests-20240801-p5jyfw.html

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​The document also alleges club officials rejected Indigenous welfare official Leon Egan’s request for more input on decisions involving Indigenous players and that he hosted a meeting with Indigenous players who wanted the club to take stronger action in response to the booing of Sydney’s Adam Goodes. The players were allegedly threatening to withdraw from playing the next match.
It is alleged that Clarkson invited himself to the subsequent meeting and then “derailed” it by turning up with a guitar and singing a song about Rioli.
Clarkson has not been contacted for comment in relation to this specific allegation but has denied all other allegations of racism.

North Melbourne were contacted for comment in relation to both Clarkson and Matthews.
In response to the claim, Hawthorn president Andy Gowers said: “As we have done throughout this process, we will continue to work towards a resolution in a fair and timely manner for all parties.
“The Federal Court process will importantly give Hawthorn Football Club the opportunity to respond to these allegations.
“Given the matter is now before the courts, it would be inappropriate to make any kind of comment that could impact on that process.”
Hawthorn have offered a settlement of close to $300,000 - about $50,000 per complainant- to have the matter concluded, an offer which was rejected.

 

[wannabewinner]

If I had a question about the Hawks team from around that time - it was why Carl Petersen left. He seemed like a good player at the time with some exciting highlights.

I believe Petersen and Rioli more than others here.

 

[cartel]

From the outside we don't have visibility of the whole situation. And if course there can be multiple truths. I would trust an actual court process of producing a just outcome a million times over an AFL investigation.

 

[wannabewinner]

It’s funny. Sometimes we have to look for things nobody is saying.

Nobody is saying Rioli is lying or Pietersen is lying.

It’s about people wanting to come on and give their spin of things.

After seeing what happened in the past I am keeping very little faith in the accused unless they come out saying that the accuser is lying.

 

[bergholt]

It’s funny. Sometimes we have to look for things nobody is saying.

Nobody is saying Rioli is lying or Pietersen is lying.

It’s about people wanting to come on and give their spin of things.

After seeing what happened in the past I am keeping very little faith in the accused unless they come out saying that the accuser is lying.

Isn’t that what this is? “Clarkson, Fagan and Burt strenuously deny that allegation.”

 

[gubby88]

unpopular opinion


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is collingwoods most important player

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[bergholt]

Not sure we missed out on a huge amount by not ending up with Amartey. I know he kicked that bag earlier in the year but he doesn't look much like an AFL quality footballer the rest of the time.

 

[hayes]

Jeez Hodge is giving the players a clip any chance he gets. He must’ve been the perfect player.

 

[gringo2011]

Sydney don’t look anything like the side that dominated early in the year.

 

[jumperfan]

Sydney somehow have a more dysfunctional forward line now than we did at the start of the year