List Mgmt. 2024 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade & Draft

[PaythePerryman]

Most of this years cohort is closer to 'ready to go' than last years, unless we're picking 100% talls or Tauru I'd say we'll see quite a few come in and have a decent level of impact

I'd love to pick up a player that could slot straight into a wing role like the Saints got with Wilson.
I feel like we have pretty well stocked in most areas.

While he's probably too big does Buckley have the versatility to play on smalls to try and slot Aleer in the back line or does it make us way too tall?
His pace and work up the ground was fantastic this year.

I think if Rowston gets through a preseason he will be primed to lock in a spot.

Gothard will be interesting too. Found his feet late in the year and looks dangerous.
With
Jones
McMullin
Thomas
Daniels
All playing that position you'd think it's gonna be tough to break in

 

[Giant Pete]

It’ll be very interesting to see how the summer pans out for the following:

Brown
XOH
Aleer
Stone
Gothard
Rowston
Leake
Thomas
McMullin

All of these guys would be thinking if I have a big summer I can probably find and cement a place in the 22.

Good signs.

 

[Giant Strides]

In relation to the earlier discussion about list spots, I am assuming that Stone stays because he sees an opportunity here, and we'll keep XOH but allow Derksen to leave. I just can't fathom that we'd hold a guy who hasn't debuted and is on the rookie list, looking for assistance with his home life - even though it hurts our depth.

That would leave us with 33 main list players and 1 rookie A listed player. i.e. 3 to 5 open spots on the main list, with a matching 5 to 3 rookie spots available. If we do get Dylan Shiel

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Dylan Shiel

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3.1

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3.9

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4.9

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23.4

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9.8

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in as a backfill, then there's one less spot on the main list.

Starting with picks 15, 16, 21, 37, 52, 55, 73. There's still picks for Peatling and Derksen to come. Derksen could be quite late ... perhaps at best the #53 that Melbourne has. Peatling I'd expect a pick in the second round; could be next year's pick if Adelaide want to use their second round this year for ANB. Whether we push for this year or accept next year's probably depends on whether we have any specific player(s) targeted, because that pick would primarily need to be used on moving a pick earlier. And of course a pick needs to come out for Shiel, but I would expect a later pick to be used.

#37 is in a dangerous position. There would be decent players around there to choose, but it could also prompt another club to call Logan Smith's name out slightly early and wipe it out (IMHO he's a pick after 40). If we got #28 from Adelaide, we could either package it with #37 (e.g. for Brisbane's #18; they would then be able to further sell those two picks), or indeed use both #28 and #37 to creep a little earlier in the draft with those first round picks that we have. (e.g. #21 + #37 for Gold Coast's #13, Suns would then be able to on-sell #21 for more points; #15 + #28 to Freo for example, so that they can but Bolton etc but still have decent picks to go to the draft). Or just trade #37 into next year's draft.

Personally, I wouldn't be bundling two or more first round picks to try to move up. I think the first block of talent goes to about #7 or #8, so it would take a lot to jump into those spots, and after that there's a bunch of guys around the same level. Trying to move up for one specific kid is fraught with danger. But I'd happily use the couple of second round picks (especially #37 in that danger zone) to get some more quality ... or at least, a higher chance of getting guys we want.

I'm targeting guys like Xavier Lindsay, Oliver Hannaford, Harrison Oliver, Taj Hotton.

Notably, if we get Shiel, at most we can take 4 guys in the national draft, and we'll need to go to the rookie draft to choose 3 others. So, from our priority list of needs, we'd have to determine which could be best filled from the RD rather than the ND. I would expect a defender, and an inside mid would be a couple of those (e.g. Riley Bice from VFL, perhaps Joey Delana our GWS Academy kid).

A very interesting draft from various perspectives, not least of which is how we decide to approach it.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[PaythePerryman]

In relation to the earlier discussion about list spots, I am assuming that Stone stays because he sees an opportunity here, and we'll keep XOH but allow Derksen to leave. I just can't fathom that we'd hold a guy who hasn't debuted and is on the rookie list, looking for assistance with his home life - even though it hurts our depth.

That would leave us with 33 main list players and 1 rookie A listed player. i.e. 3 to 5 open spots on the main list, with a matching 5 to 3 rookie spots available. If we do get Dylan Shiel in as a backfill, then there's one less spot on the main list.

Starting with picks 15, 16, 21, 37, 52, 55, 73. There's still picks for Peatling and Derksen to come. Derksen could be quite late ... perhaps at best the #53 that Melbourne has. Peatling I'd expect a pick in the second round; could be next year's pick if Adelaide want to use their second round this year for ANB. Whether we push for this year or accept next year's probably depends on whether we have any specific player(s) targeted, because that pick would primarily need to be used on moving a pick earlier. And of course a pick needs to come out for Shiel, but I would expect a later pick to be used.

#37 is in a dangerous position. There would be decent players around there to choose, but it could also prompt another club to call Logan Smith's name out slightly early and wipe it out (IMHO he's a pick after 40). If we got #28 from Adelaide, we could either package it with #37 (e.g. for Brisbane's #18; they would then be able to further sell those two picks), or indeed use both #28 and #37 to creep a little earlier in the draft with those first round picks that we have. (e.g. #21 + #37 for Gold Coast's #13, Suns would then be able to on-sell #21 for more points; #15 + #28 to Freo for example, so that they can but Bolton etc but still have decent picks to go to the draft). Or just trade #37 into next year's draft.

Personally, I wouldn't be bundling two or more first round picks to try to move up. I think the first block of talent goes to about #7 or #8, so it would take a lot to jump into those spots, and after that there's a bunch of guys around the same level. Trying to move up for one specific kid is fraught with danger. But I'd happily use the couple of second round picks (especially #37 in that danger zone) to get some more quality ... or at least, a higher chance of getting guys we want.

I'm targeting guys like Xavier Lindsay, Oliver Hannaford, Harrison Oliver, Taj Hotton.

Notably, if we get Shiel, at most we can take 4 guys in the national draft, and we'll need to go to the rookie draft to choose 3 others. So, from our priority list of needs, we'd have to determine which could be best filled from the RD rather than the ND. I would expect a defender, and an inside mid would be a couple of those (e.g. Riley Bice from VFL, perhaps Joey Delana our GWS Academy kid).

A very interesting draft from various perspectives, not least of which is how we decide to approach it.

Great evaluation.
Lindsay looks like a good inclusion to me for immediate impact.
Great idea to try and creep ahead of the academy bid for the big man.

 

[Giant Pete]

In relation to the earlier discussion about list spots, I am assuming that Stone stays because he sees an opportunity here, and we'll keep XOH but allow Derksen to leave. I just can't fathom that we'd hold a guy who hasn't debuted and is on the rookie list, looking for assistance with his home life - even though it hurts our depth.

That would leave us with 33 main list players and 1 rookie A listed player. i.e. 3 to 5 open spots on the main list, with a matching 5 to 3 rookie spots available. If we do get Dylan Shiel in as a backfill, then there's one less spot on the main list.

Starting with picks 15, 16, 21, 37, 52, 55, 73. There's still picks for Peatling and Derksen to come. Derksen could be quite late ... perhaps at best the #53 that Melbourne has. Peatling I'd expect a pick in the second round; could be next year's pick if Adelaide want to use their second round this year for ANB. Whether we push for this year or accept next year's probably depends on whether we have any specific player(s) targeted, because that pick would primarily need to be used on moving a pick earlier. And of course a pick needs to come out for Shiel, but I would expect a later pick to be used.

#37 is in a dangerous position. There would be decent players around there to choose, but it could also prompt another club to call Logan Smith's name out slightly early and wipe it out (IMHO he's a pick after 40). If we got #28 from Adelaide, we could either package it with #37 (e.g. for Brisbane's #18; they would then be able to further sell those two picks), or indeed use both #28 and #37 to creep a little earlier in the draft with those first round picks that we have. (e.g. #21 + #37 for Gold Coast's #13, Suns would then be able to on-sell #21 for more points; #15 + #28 to Freo for example, so that they can but Bolton etc but still have decent picks to go to the draft). Or just trade #37 into next year's draft.

Personally, I wouldn't be bundling two or more first round picks to try to move up. I think the first block of talent goes to about #7 or #8, so it would take a lot to jump into those spots, and after that there's a bunch of guys around the same level. Trying to move up for one specific kid is fraught with danger. But I'd happily use the couple of second round picks (especially #37 in that danger zone) to get some more quality ... or at least, a higher chance of getting guys we want.

I'm targeting guys like Xavier Lindsay, Oliver Hannaford, Harrison Oliver, Taj Hotton.

Notably, if we get Shiel, at most we can take 4 guys in the national draft, and we'll need to go to the rookie draft to choose 3 others. So, from our priority list of needs, we'd have to determine which could be best filled from the RD rather than the ND. I would expect a defender, and an inside mid would be a couple of those (e.g. Riley Bice from VFL, perhaps Joey Delana our GWS Academy kid).

A very interesting draft from various perspectives, not least of which is how we decide to approach it.

Hannaford the pick of those four easily for mine.

 

[Mors]

Is there any chance we trade up for North's pick 2?
15, 16, 21 for pick 2 and 25?

 

[dlanod]

Is there any chance we trade up for North's pick 2?
15, 16, 21 for pick 2 and 25?

No way would North want to drop that far back.

Generally the clubs with the top picks only want to drop back if they rate the next X players all about the same, but then that's as far as they'll go back - e.g. if they rate the top 8 players, they'll trade back to 8 at most, if they rate the top 5 players, they'll only trade back to 5.

No way would they rate the 15th player in the same tier as #2.

 

[Mors]

No way would North want to drop that far back.

Generally the clubs with the top picks only want to drop back if they rate the next X players all about the same, but then that's as far as they'll go back - e.g. if they rate the top 8 players, they'll trade back to 8 at most, if they rate the top 5 players, they'll only trade back to 5.

No way would they rate the 15th player in the same tier as #2.

Fair point. Would we be able to push up the draft order twice? Go after Saints Pick 8 then use that to push up to third?

 

[Giant Strides]

Fair point. Would we be able to push up the draft order twice? Go after Saints Pick 8 then use that to push up to third.

I doubt that Saints would take just 15, 16 for 8 ... then F1 plus probably something else to get to #3 or #2. It's a lot of draft capital for one player.

 

[sydney_gws]

Fair point. Would we be able to push up the draft order twice? Go after Saints Pick 8 then use that to push up to third?

I hope that doesn't happen. I think some clubs have list managers that do things to in part bring attention to themself ( like Dodoro used to), but we aren't stupid/ attention seeking like that.

 

[Maximus 2011]

I hope that doesn't happen. I think some clubs have list managers that do things to in part bring attention to themself ( like Dodoro used to), but we aren't stupid/ attention seeking like that.

Surely we can't trade say 3-4 picks for just 1 pick as we need 6+ players to come in. Hold 15,16,21. There should be solid talent at that area. Would love for us to take a Ruck / Forward with one of those picks to pair with Cadmania once Hoges retires in say 4-5 years

 

[Giant Strides]

Similar view from me. The cost to get really early is too high. If there's someone we really covet who might be at risk of going early, then look to move up one of 15, 16 or 21 (depending on how far up the order we need to get) with #37 since it's expendable.

 

[sydney_gws]

Given the price apparently needing to be paid to get 13, 20 off gold coast and Brisbane, could we look to trade one of 16,21 for a future 1st?
North or eagles might be prepared to offer there 2025r1,r3 for say 16, 37, 2025r2. I realise a strong possibility neither us or them want anything like that.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Similar view from me. The cost to get really early is too high. If there's someone we really covet who might be at risk of going early, then look to move up one of 15, 16 or 21 (depending on how far up the order we need to get) with #37 since it's expendable.

Yeah I agree. When there is a clear need like with Cadman it makes sense. But I think Caruso has been good at trading back when he feels like he can get the talent he wants.
Trading up could be too expensive for what we get this year I reckon. We have 3 great picks....I'd just go for best talent.

 

[sydney_gws]

Yeah I agree. When there is a clear need like with Cadman it makes sense. But I think Caruso has been good at trading back when he feels like he can get the talent he wants.
Trading up could be too expensive for what we get this year I reckon. We have 3 great picks....I'd just go for best talent.

And being 1st round players, they get 3 year contracts. They will if ending up as good players at AFL level have plenty of games in 2027 at least, of not earlier. Might be hard if one is a key defender though.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[sydney_gws]

I can't see how Hogan, Cadman, Riccardi, Stringer, Brown all play at once.
At most 4 of the 5 play, which is ok in theory as with Briggs as well, 4 of the ( 4 above + Briggs) are on field at a time.
I listened just then on trade radio to Scott Lucas who has Perryman and Peatling as clients.
I felt a bit annoyed, I think we could have at least kept one of them. Perhaps the issue is the money paid to Himmelberg, plus what will be needed for Callaghan, Cadman.

I don't understand how afl doesn't improve things. What is the point of the investment of Gold Coast, GWS when both are impacted by a system that is easily fixable.
Free agency means players are free to leave, but not free to a club to sign. Perhaps issue is the players association.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

I thought our list manager stated on radio recently that XO (and Wade) would stay with us - unless that’s part of our negotiating tactics to get the most favourable trade deal?

I also agree with Giant Strides, that we won’t stand in the way of Wade Derksen leaving, especially when we still haven’t debuted him after 2.5 years with us. That just doesn’t seem fair to keep him back, even though Wade’s contract only expires next year.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

I know that everyone makes mistakes, relationship breakdowns can be bitter and people reform. But given that we have Jesse, Riccardi, Cadman and (hopefully) a revitalised Callum Brown, do we need Stringer? He is still on a contract so we’ll have to offer an acceptable trade, and will it have any detrimental impact on our club culture? I am sure that the club would have weighed all of this up though in coming to its decision

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/abby-gilmores-explosive-revelations-about-former-partner-jake-stringer/news-story/f7eaeedd544d358567d83f9daa31acc7

 

[MelbourneGWS]

It also seems Stringer has other ongoing issues as well. Maybe the success of Jesse, has our club confident it can address any issues? On the plus side any trade would mean that we wouldn’t have to give up much, given the general wariness of Stringer by other list managers?

Essendon has been warned over who their players are associating with in the rooms after games, with concerns it’s why Jake Stringer

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Jake Stringer

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30

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192cm

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12.9

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8.5

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4.4

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3.3

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2.5

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1.8

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7.0

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2.8

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3.8

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2.5

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4.8

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2.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

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1.4

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1.4

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can’t find a new AFL home.

Stringer is seeking a longer-term contract than the one-year deal he’s currently on at the Bombers, but his association with “undesirable” figures who are also close to delisted defender Nick Hind

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Nick Hind

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30

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78kg

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10.7

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7.2

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3.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

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1.9

4star

MG

117.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

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2.0

3star

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117.0

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10.2

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7.2

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3.0

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2.0

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2.2

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is sparking disinterest from other clubs.

‘Not touching him’: Dons warned as ‘undesirable’ figures in rooms hurting Stringer's trade chances

‘Not touching him’: Bombers warned over ‘undesirable’ figures amid trade damage

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Danny88]

I can't see how Hogan, Cadman, Riccardi, Stringer, Brown all play at once.
At most 4 of the 5 play, which is ok in theory as with Briggs as well, 4 of the ( 4 above + Briggs) are on field at a time.
I listened just then on trade radio to Scott Lucas who has Perryman and Peatling as clients.
I felt a bit annoyed, I think we could have at least kept one of them. Perhaps the issue is the money paid to Himmelberg, plus what will be needed for Callaghan, Cadman.

I don't understand how afl doesn't improve things. What is the point of the investment of Gold Coast, GWS when both are impacted by a system that is easily fixable.
Free agency means players are free to leave, but not free to a club to sign. Perhaps issue is the players association.

I suppose the counter argument to this is we have been in finals contention regularly for a while now. So it is not like the club is struggling so there is no need to take action

 

[Giant Strides]

I know that everyone makes mistakes, relationship breakdowns can be bitter and people reform. But given that we have Jesse, Riccardi, Cadman and (hopefully) a revitalised Callum Brown, do we need Stringer? He is still on a contract so we’ll have to offer an acceptable trade, and will it have any detrimental impact on our club culture? I am sure that the club would have weighed all of this up though in coming to its decision

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/abby-gilmores-explosive-revelations-about-former-partner-jake-stringer/news-story/f7eaeedd544d358567d83f9daa31acc7

It also seems Stringer has other ongoing issues as well. Maybe the success of Jesse, has our club confident it can address any issues? On the plus side any trade would mean that we wouldn’t have to give up much, given the general wariness of Stringer by other list managers?

Essendon has been warned over who their players are associating with in the rooms after games, with concerns it’s why Jake Stringer can’t find a new AFL home.

Stringer is seeking a longer-term contract than the one-year deal he’s currently on at the Bombers, but his association with “undesirable” figures who are also close to delisted defender Nick Hind is sparking disinterest from other clubs.

‘Not touching him’: Dons warned as ‘undesirable’ figures in rooms hurting Stringer's trade chances

‘Not touching him’: Bombers warned over ‘undesirable’ figures amid trade damage

www.foxsports.com.au

Yep, those are some of the reasons - plus his well-documented issues around coming to pre-season training unfit, and poor training standards - that I would be really wary of Stringer. Clearly, he has talent, but can we manage to harness it? And without corrupting anything else in the club?

 

[Giant Strides]

I think someone mentioned about Joe Richards from Collingwood - he just requested a trade to Port (as expected).