2024 Ladder Predictions

[tiger_tough]

Of cats top 10 at the BnF last night four were 32 years plus (one has retired) and 2 others are turning 31 early next season. Plus Tom Atkins

30

Tom Atkins

Age

29

Ht

180cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.3

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

6.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

0.8

1star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

11.6

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

came 2nd and Zach Guthrie

39

Zach Guthrie

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

90.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

90.0

2star

D

10.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

finished 4th. I think they will drop way back next year.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Brisbane
Carlton
Melbourne
Collingwood

Geelong
Saints
GWS
Port

Adelaide
Essendon
Freo
Sydney
Suns
Dogs

Hawthorn
North
Richmond
West Coast

Geelong to bounce back. Essendon to be in the top 4 for half the year but sh*t the bed on the home straight and miss out altogether. Saints the big improvers to make the prelim. Melbourne another straight sets exit. Brisbane another prelim loss. Collingwood v Carlton Grand final. Pies win by 64 points.

 

[Tiger2709]

1. Brisbane Lions
2. Carlton
3. Sydney
4. GWS Giants
5. Port Adelaide
6. Collingwood
7. Adelaide
8. Melbourne
9. Richmond
10. Fremantle
11. Western Bulldogs
12. Hawthorn
13. Essendon
14. St Kilda
15. Geelong
16. Gold Coast
17. West Coast
18. North Melbourne

9th for Richmond a bold prediction by a Tiger supporter, god I hope not

 

[tiger_tough]

9th for Richmond a bold prediction by a Tiger supporter, god I hope not

Meh. Better than 13th.

 

[Danw0w]

Tigers are miles off top4

That's what you took from that?

 

[Blackhawk42]

I can see Hawthorn finishing lower than they did this year.

Considering the late season improvement, what's makes you say that?

For context, I can see us finishing anywhere from 9th to 15th, but that higher range relies on more internal improvement from the likes of Ward, MacDonald, McKenzie, Reeves and Butler for example.

Finishing lower than 16th next year would mean something has gone pretty wrong I would have thought.

 

[Proud New Father of 3]

So many having us bottom 4. I highly doubt it.

Bookmakers have you bottom 4

 

[HBFlanker]

Considering the late season improvement, what's makes you say that?

For context, I can see us finishing anywhere from 9th to 15th, but that higher range relies on more internal improvement from the likes of Ward, MacDonald, McKenzie, Reeves and Butler for example.

Finishing lower than 16th next year would mean something has gone pretty wrong I would have thought.

I honestly think Hawthorn played above themselves this year. Brilliant wins against both grand finalists, which were crackign results, but i just think there needs to be a bit more draft rebuilding to occur.

The names you have mentioned there are a couple of years away from impacting on a weekly basis.

 

[tiger_tough]

Bookmakers have you bottom 4

.....and I highly doubt it. Some bookies also had GWS bottom 4 this year and all had Geelong flag favorite.

Pretty hard to make any proper judgements when your coach quits mid-season and replaced him with a carbon copy caretaker. I expect a decent bounce with a new coach and system and with games no longer gifted to some of the old firm. We shall see....

 

[Goggin Our Best]

What makes the lions drop off so much? Not having a go. Just curious.

As the poster i replied to - who pointed out their is allways a surprise downwards - and this time last last year - everyone had Geel as a lock for top 4 - yet they finished 12th

The other one i left out - Carlton - ive seen champion Blues teams - but their current team is nothing to write home about - they could win 15-16 games - or they might win 10-11 - not sold on them at all - the Swans had them on the rack in the last qtr of that 1st final - and then the Demons should have won by 5-6 goals bar atrocious kicknig for goal

As they say - you cant tip them all - you have to settle on 8

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Whys everyone thinking Geelong will drop right off again ?

No upside.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

1. Brisbane
2. Port
3. Collingwood
4. GWS
5. Carlton
6. Melbourne
7. Gold Coast
8. Sydney
9. Hawthorn
10. Fremantle
11. Adelaide
12. St Kilda
13. Bulldogs
14. Geelong
15. North Melbourne
16. Richmond
17. West Coast
18. Essendon

 

[Burtman]

I can see Hawthorn finishing lower than they did this year.

You’re about to lose your only key defender, all the high picks in the world aren’t going to make you improve drastically next year. And west coasts list is a steaming pile of turd that’s a couple of years off becoming decent. If we finish below you two I’d be extremely worried

 

[Skipper_]

1. Brisbane
2. GWS
3. Carlton
4. Adelaide
5. Sydney
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Collingwood
8. Fremantle
9. Melbourne
10. Geelong
11. Port Adelaide
12. St Kilda
13. Hawthorn
14. Essendon
15. Gold Coast
16. Richmond
17. North Melbourne
18. West Coast

 

[Tiger2709]

With all these people having Richmond in the bottom 4, I'm just checking if we have any draft picks next year?

We still have a bit of talent whether we go up or down depends on how our youth react to the new coach, I'm still hopeful for one more dead cat bounce

 

[Worm4]

I can see Hawthorn finishing lower than they did this year.

If they get collingwood twice next year , that's 8 points in the bag. Then they will get nth and west coast twice so that should see them get to 6 wins without raising too much of a sweat.
Hawks will be fine

 

[Drexl 31]

My first thoughts are there are four teams who can't make the top 8:
West Coast
North Melbourne
Richmond
Geelong

Reckon Adelaide are certainties to make the 8.

Carlton will open up juicy odds to miss the top 8, which I will be taking advantage of.

What odds would find "juicy?"

 

[Burtyl78]

Whys everyone thinking Geelong will drop right off again ?

Because this year after predicting 8 years in a row that they would drop out they finally got it right, back to the top 4 for the cats

 

[HTPunter]

.....and I highly doubt it. Some bookies also had GWS bottom 4 this year and all had Geelong flag favorite.

Pretty hard to make any proper judgements when your coach quits mid-season and replaced him with a carbon copy caretaker. I expect a decent bounce with a new coach and system and with games no longer gifted to some of the old firm. We shall see....

New coach no longer gifting games to the old firm can mean starting on a mini rebuild - if the kids are handed the keys then yes it is possible bottom 4.

Trying to have the likes of Sonsie, Young, Miller, Ryan, Trezise, Dow, Gibcus, Bauer, Maurice & Banks all getting regular games only has 1 inevitable outcome (in the short term).

Playing the old firm and having older players hang on by fingernails to their positions is going to lessen the short term pain and is a better chance of a finals hope.

If I’m Richmond though I’m seeing the likes of Grimes (should have gone this year), Pickett, McIntosh & Graham out as they’ve all dropped off their flag form, but they are still all senior role players who make less team mistakes than kids.

 

[JayJ20]

There's always a team that makes top 4 from outside the 8.

1. Brisbane
2. Carlton
3. Collingwood
4. Adelaide
5. GWS
6. Sydney
7. Western Bulldogs
8. Gold Coast

9. Melbourne
10. Geelong
11. Richmond
12. Fremantle
13. Port Adelaide
14. Hawthorn
15. Essendon
16. St Kilda
17. West Coast
18. North Melbourne

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Hawks won't lose a game
Pies to back up the flag with the spoon

 

[tiger_tough]

New coach no longer gifting games to the old firm can mean starting on a mini rebuild - if the kids are handed the keys then yes it is possible bottom 4.

Trying to have the likes of Sonsie, Young, Miller, Ryan, Trezise, Dow, Gibcus, Bauer, Maurice & Banks all getting regular games only has 1 inevitable outcome (in the short term).

Playing the old firm and having older players hang on by fingernails to their positions is going to lessen the short term pain and is a better chance of a finals hope.

If I’m Richmond though I’m seeing the likes of Grimes (should have gone this year), Pickett, McIntosh & Graham out as they’ve all dropped off their flag form, but they are still all senior role players who make less team mistakes than kids.

The kids in line for a game aren't 18 or 19 year olds though. They're 21 plus and ready to impact.

Agree about Grimes, he was a liability at times this year. McIntosh and Pickett should be depth, Graham borderline. On their 2023 form we have upgrades for them ready to go.

 

[Mr Meow]

Of cats top 10 at the BnF last night four were 32 years plus (one has retired) and 2 others are turning 31 early next season. Plus Tom Atkins came 2nd and Zach Guthrie finished 4th. I think they will drop way back next year.

You say this as though you expect Stewart and Cameron to steeply decline next season. Hawkins and Dangerfield near the bottom of the top 10 could decline a little. Smith was burnt out. Blicavs was a later starter and we get Guthrie back. Plenty in the 11-18 zone are fairly young and could be expected to bounce back to something near 2022 form.

1. 30
2. 27
3. 24
4. 25
5. 30
6. 32
7. 25
8. 33
9. 35
10. 34

8, 9 and 10 were old but the 7 above them were a pretty solid mix. Players don't all just fall off a cliff at 30 anymore.

 

[Pistol Night]

Those without GWS top 4 are taking the piss

 

[Liam Boy]

Brisbane
Carlton
Melbourne
Collingwood

Geelong
Saints
GWS
Port

Adelaide
Essendon
Freo
Sydney
Dogs

Hawthorn
North
Richmond
West Coast

Geelong to bounce back. Essendon to be in the top 4 for half the year but sh*t the bed on the home straight and miss out altogether. Saints the big improvers to make the prelim. Melbourne another straight sets exit. Brisbane another prelim loss. Collingwood v Carlton Grand final. Pies win by 64 points.

Where do the Suns finish?