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[BlueJet]

I actually think he can play on the bigger forwards, but needs to focus and embrace on team ethos acts

Interesting. I feel he's often sacrificing his own game & natural flair in order to fit within the existing structure but a fair take.

 

[No1Suspect]

Tigers signed a $1m FF, perhaps we have already spent similar money on the key forwards we have

Wondering if the 800k could be floated at a defender, should there be one worthy

 

[gbatman]

Reasonable endurance, but that lacks other aspects


His footy IQ is poor


He misreads the game, club has been frustrated that he isn't playing the percentages


I disagree, don't think he has the discipline or the IQ


He is just shy of 195


He would get killed by a smaller forward, he isn't a McGovern type


Maybe, I'd like to see him trialled as a forward in the VFL


Rats has had a couple of stints as a coach, never really worked out


Saw this stated mid last year, then it completely disappeared. It's now resurfaced through a poor patch and it will disappear again soon enough


Which side gets it right year on year

He did run a 15Km game this season, that's right up there. Can he sustain it?

His footy IQ is fine, he never gets to use it, locking down on a tall forward isn't getting to use your footy IQ. When he's given freedom he gets high teens with possession, that's not poor footy IQ, especially as a defender.

He's a naturally attacking defender, I think the club misreads him.

He looks a very short 194 or 5. Listed as 192.

He was trialled as a forward in the VFL years ago but that was recovering from injury. Mixed results, could get it.

Rats lacked some keys as head coach but he had some good qualities. He's a good assistant coach IMO. Clubs also failed him pretty badly.

We will never know unless we try.

 

[Keyza]

He was a late pick up on draft night, saw the footage when he was picked, he and his friends went off, he seemed like a real lose unit, joker type of guy, I wonder if that put people off, his highlights looked great.

My nephew was one of his friends going off.

 

[Soapy V]

We will never know unless we try.

Exactly. I’ve lost track of the number of players that have turned around their careers by moving spots. Many having never played there before

Liam Jones? I’d written him off. How wrong I was

Bottom line is you never know until it’s tried.

 

[Coona Blues]

He was a late pick up on draft night, saw the footage when he was picked, he and his friends went off, he seemed like a real lose unit, joker type of guy, I wonder if that put people off, his highlights looked great.

A late pick up? He was pick 16. Yes there was footage, but was a first rounder.

 

[Keyza]

A late pick up? He was pick 16. Yes there was footage, but was a first rounder.

Correct, he was taken in the first round. As I said previously, my nephew is in the footage.
Apparently he is a pretty easy going person.

 

[DangerousD]

I’d still like to know why we extend the contracts of C.Durdin for 2 years after this one and Cottrell for 3 more years until 2027 especially early in the season

Makes no sense to me

I’ll raze you Young for three years, Pitto for four and Williams for 6.

Austin has a large enough body of work to assess and there’s some decent failings.

Not drafting a KPD last year or adding a realistic back up option.

 

[Opium]

Would like to target Harry Edwards from West Coast. Out of contract at seasons end.23 years old 200cm key defender

 

[BlueTongue]

Lever would be nice.

That was my first thought.

 

[BlueTongue]

Reason for this is pretty simple.

Every team has a playmaker these days off of half back. This is the role that he's supposed to be employed in. But it

With Boyd hurt we moved one of our mids back to add more movement off half back.

Club clearly wasn't expecting the negative consequences of him playing there.

Cerra doesn’t strike me as a play maker though. If we insist on playing Walsh injured, I’d move him there where he’s not getting continually crunched under every pack, and put Cerra back on the ball.

 

[gadj1976]

Would like to target Harry Edwards from West Coast. Out of contract at seasons end.23 years old 200cm key defender

Does he get along with Weitering?

 

[gadj1976]

Reasonable endurance, but that lacks other aspects


His footy IQ is poor


He misreads the game, club has been frustrated that he isn't playing the percentages


I disagree, don't think he has the discipline or the IQ


He is just shy of 195


He would get killed by a smaller forward, he isn't a McGovern type


Maybe, I'd like to see him trialled as a forward in the VFL


Rats has had a couple of stints as a coach, never really worked out


Saw this stated mid last year, then it completely disappeared. It's now resurfaced through a poor patch and it will disappear again soon enough


Which side gets it right year on year

But Cripps was Pick 13 because he wasn't the epitome of a gun player (he was slow from memory). You CAN be taught these things. It's about the player wanting to learn and develop as well. For me, I'd be after a kid that is 'good enough' but really wanting to be the best rather than a player who is fully developed at 18 and not willing to learn.

Summary - bring on the blank canvas.

 

[Wickzki]

Cerra doesn’t strike me as a play maker though. If we insist on playing Walsh injured, I’d move him there where he’s not getting continually crunched under every pack, and put Cerra back on the ball.

I'm not sure if you saw the article during the last week that had the best and worst i50 kicks in the competition this year. Both Kennedy and Walsh were bottom 5. Digging deeper Cerra's percentages were quite a bit higher than Walsh's.

I can see the rationale behind the coaching decisions even if I don't agree with them (Jimmae response to me earlier is closer to where I sit).

An area where the list is in significant deficit is having a silky (quick) runner who can run, carry and evade. We have no real options. The other top teams seem to have multiple.

 

[BlueTongue]

I'm not sure if you saw the article during the last week that had the best and worst i50 kicks in the competition this year. Both Kennedy and Walsh were bottom 5. Digging deeper Cerra's percentages were quite a bit higher than Walsh's.

I can see the rationale behind the coaching decisions even if I don't agree with them (Jimmae response to me earlier is closer to where I sit).

An area where the list is in significant deficit is having a silky (quick) runner who can run, carry and evade. We have no real options. The other top teams seem to have multiple.

Billy Wilson looks this type but unsure what his speed is like

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I'm not sure if you saw the article during the last week that had the best and worst i50 kicks in the competition this year. Both Kennedy and Walsh were bottom 5. Digging deeper Cerra's percentages were quite a bit higher than Walsh's.

I can see the rationale behind the coaching decisions even if I don't agree with them (Jimmae response to me earlier is closer to where I sit).

An area where the list is in significant deficit is having a silky (quick) runner who can run, carry and evade. We have no real options. The other top teams seem to have multiple.

Is it time we put Saad into the midfield for stints to break the game open?

 

[Soapy V]

I’ll raze you Young for three years, Pitto for four and Williams for 6.

Austin has a large enough body of work to assess and there’s some decent failings.

Not drafting a KPD last year or adding a realistic back up option.

I understand those deals. Right or wrong they make some sense at the time.

Durdin & Cottrell to longer extensions early in a season make no sense to me

 

[Lace_Out]

Billy Wilson looks this type but unsure what his speed is like

Speed is good, but small body. Voss doesn't like small bodies, well too many of them from what I can tell.

If Melb want Cerra they can give us Petracca.

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[Lace_Out]

We can get so much better next year and this is before adding players

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Wilson Lemmey Saad
C: Acres Cripps Kemp
HF: Elijah McKay Owies
F: Silvagni Charlie Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Kennedy Newman Cowan Docherty Hewett Williams O’Keefe Ollie Binns Fogarty Cincotta Lord

That’s our top 30. It’s very good
Lemmey is my only question mark and shows our lack of size in defence

That is a heck of a line up when fit and up and running. Just need to add run and some size and depth

Spot on. Depth is far from what some people think it is.

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[Santo the king]

Is it time we put Saad into the midfield for stints to break the game open?

I used to think the same. He is actually poor as the defensive mid. Watch him at stoppages in d50 and he often loses his man. Perhaps as the protagonist mid, with a licence to attack he might be good. Unfortunately we dont have depth in his position down back, so unlikely.

 

[BlueJet]

I’ll raze you Young for three years, Pitto for four and Williams for 6.

Austin has a large enough body of work to assess and there’s some decent failings.

Not drafting a KPD last year or adding a realistic back up option.

Pittonet is a proven commodity, locking him in on modest terms is fine.
Williams on big coin is a concern.
Young as break glass in case of emergency depth is also problematic.

 

[btdg]

He did run a 15Km game this season, that's right up there. Can he sustain it?

His footy IQ is fine, he never gets to use it, locking down on a tall forward isn't getting to use your footy IQ. When he's given freedom he gets high teens with possession, that's not poor footy IQ, especially as a defender.

He's a naturally attacking defender, I think the club misreads him.

He looks a very short 194 or 5. Listed as 192.

He was trialled as a forward in the VFL years ago but that was recovering from injury. Mixed results, could get it.

Rats lacked some keys as head coach but he had some good qualities. He's a good assistant coach IMO. Clubs also failed him pretty badly.

We will never know unless we try.

Here's an interesting per game stats comparison IMO:

Player A (192cm, 89kg, age 23 / 23 games experience at start of season): 9.6 kicks/14.6 disposals @ 78% efficiency. 6.6 Marks (0.9 contested). 6.3 intercept possessions, 2.9 rebound 50s
Player B (194cm, 94kg, age 23 / 67 games experience at start of season): 9.5 kicks/14.5 disposals @ 72% efficiency, 6.9 marks (1.2 contested), 7.9 intercept possesions, 3.5 round 50s

Player A is Brodie Kemp. Player B is Jake Lever. Stats are quite similar, Kemp a better user of the ball and Lever slightly better at reading the game and intercepting, but also with 40+ extra games experience at the same age.

I think Kemp is going to be a very good player at some point in the future. He has a pretty complete package - athleticism, speed, marking ability. He's also still only played 38 games of Senior Football. Does he sometimes

We have a clear strategy defensively, which applying lots of pressure with small forwards and locking the ball in deep, then having a very high press with mobile, intercepting defenders who can rotate interchangeably and cover a lot of ground, but also all be good attacking players who can use the ball when they win it back.

It has a couple of implications for Kemp. First, we're emphasising intercepts, and he's being told to fly aggressively for marks... and sometimes trying to mark instead of spoil or block opponents. That's experience, and he'll learn with time, I have no doubts.

Secondly, he sometimes gets caught on much bigger bodied opponents (as will Newman, McGovern, even Cowan). This isn't an issue if the other team is under pressure to beat our press because with poor delivery he can use his athleticism. It is a problem when our forward pressure is poor and the other team has a slow build-up because it will allow them to find the mismatch and once or twice a game he'll just be made to look undersized and get monstered by a Hogan. This is the cost of our game plan.

Our issue here is that we concede quite high scores - but score very heavily ourselves. We have looked closest to a premiership when we get this right, when our forward pressure is strong and we've got the balance right down back. I don't think the solution is to recruit a slow, gorilla to play defensive ly instead of Kemp. IMO it's actually fallen down most this season when McGovern is injured (and particularly when both McGovern and Saad were out) because we lack backup mobile options.

Strangely, our alternate style (which we used more last year) is to defend very deep, put a sweeper behind the ball, and 'bend, not break'. Lewis Young was very good in this style in 2022, and probably a better fit because it just allows conventional 1-1 match-ups with help, and he can take the gorilla forwards. In this style of game we 'look' solid defensively, and we really struggle to move the ball end to end - it becomes a grind with our defence the anvil, and we rely on a 'hammer' of a burst of goal-centre clearance-goal-repeat to put up a match winning lead. And confusingly, this is the way we played vs Port - we defended very deep, almost always had a spare behind the ball, conceded territory, struggled to move the ball, bombed long to Curnow, and almost won because of a second quarter 'hammer'. Really odd to me.

 

[Arr0w]

Pittonet is a proven commodity, locking him in on modest terms is fine.
Williams on big coin is a concern.
Young as break glass in case of emergency depth is also problematic.

Both would be on cheap as chips, role player contracts, same as our other role players.

These contracts aren't hurting us, it's the unavailability of the constant injury prone

Spot on with Williams

 

[BlueJet]

Both would be on cheap as chips, role player contracts, same as our other role players.

These contracts aren't hurting us, it's the unavailability of the constant injury prone

Spot on with Williams

No issue with Pittonet remaining on the list.
The duration of Young's deal seemed excessive for what he is, the knock on effect is that it can impact our flexibility but you're right.

 

[Arr0w]

No issue with Pittonet remaining on the list.
The duration of Young's deal seemed excessive for what he is, the knock on effect is that it can impact our flexibility but you're right.

In regards to Young, yes, but clearly Durdin, Marchbank and even Akuei creates opportunities