Again, like Cottrell & Durdin, Young was given an extension in March last year until end of 2026. Why, when he had contract until the end of this year?
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Again, like Cottrell & Durdin, Young was given an extension in March last year until end of 2026. Why, when he had contract until the end of this year?
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Think an internal review of list management is needed. Put a few heads together and nut out who is who in the zoo and what they bring to the table. Then Make a cut of the bottom how ever many and target best possible replacements through trade and drafting.
I know this is what list management department do but it needs a sharpened review imo.
We should be winning a flag or two over next few years.
I know this is what list management department do but it needs a sharpened review imo.
We should be winning a flag or two over next few years.
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Without being privy to internal discussion, it's hard to say but yes, all slightly unusual.
It seems a bit weird. I think in all of these cases (plus Pitto) its a combination of:
- they are seemingly solid players who are entering their prime, unlikely to get much worse, and at a minimum can be depth/backups and fill out the VFL team. None will be older than about 28 when their deals end, I don't think - so they're never going to be completely useless.
- all have had moments where you think they could be about to really start to shine, and allowing them to get closer to contract expiry puts them on the radar of other clubs (unfortunately, all four would only need to make a tiny leap to suddenly become quite in demand if available, but also all unlikely to bring any real compensation if that did occur)
- it keeps them, and their managers happy, and greases the wheels a bit when other player deals need to be negotiated. Might as well build some bridges when we can
- the contract values are probably pretty low, and locking them in place keeps them low, while also leaving less moving parts when you start renegotiating other, more complex deals. eg: when we figure out what to do with TDK, it's nice to know what space is available, what backups are available.
- there's other players more likely to be delisted, and given where we are at (and the limited draft and trade capital we are likely to have) we don't really want to be turning over 8-10 list spots anyway.
- the coaches like them and what they offer, and see them bringing more to the table than they show in their stats so far.
Well written and fair points
Issue I still have is Austin made it clear that spots are at a “Premium”
Most agree we need a list “refresh”, have several glaring holes and lack depth. Likely anywhere between 6-10 changes
Whilst they may not cost much they cost us valuable spots
Yes, we can pay them out early but it still costs money and IMO is a poor strategy
The key for me is NONE are best 22 players. Extending them when their contracts aren’t even up yet makes no sense. Let them run to the end of term to prove they deserve another one. I just don’t get it
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I’m told Marchbank Cuningham Martin won’t be offered new contracts
I assume Sam Durdin won’t for same reasons
IMO has to be question marks over Mirkov Akuei Lemmey M.Carroll Fantasia and even Moir
Gut feel is Jack Carroll could easily go back to WA
I assume Sam Durdin won’t for same reasons
IMO has to be question marks over Mirkov Akuei Lemmey M.Carroll Fantasia and even Moir
Gut feel is Jack Carroll could easily go back to WA
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I think Carroll was always leaving for Perth at the end of this year. 16 surely was always being given to one of the Campo boys
what about tdk at chb. they've talked about playing both all year. tdk chb next year
Not for me. I think he could be the best ruck in the AFL
Id happily take his brother to play CHB for us
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hamil clarke russell hansen don't inspire me with confidence and modern game IQ. we need better
100% agree
Kind of hoping Hansen gets the wce gig just to force our hand re changing it up
Have you heard whether we're looking to bolster the coaching? We'd have to look at Adam Simpson?
We just seem to get the dregs all the time.
I haven’t heard anything but I assume we will make some changes. Always need to freshen up a few spots to keep growing
Personally, I think Voss needs strong modern day tactical support and we need to keep improving our reserves
I'll carry his bags for him up there or anywhere
Are any being paid best 22 money?
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I don’t get this post. How do you know what their coaching credentials are?
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Every chance we now look to trade Owies. Unsigned and it doesn’t look like talks are progressing. If he isn’t kicking goals he isn’t doing much and the return for him should be a pick between 30 - 40 imo. Him not being at Carlton in 2025 seems a real possibility. Plus Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin to go.
I’d Trade our 2025 1st for a pick approx 18 this year. Trade our 2025 2nd for a pick approx 35.
That gives us picks:
15ish
18
33 to trade out
34 to trade out
35 to trade out
Having these 5 picks would give the club a great chance to cash in on 2 1st round picks and trade for 3 players.
Give me 1 Darcy Jones type with our 1 of our 1st round picks and the best key back with our 2nd 1st round pick. More scoring avenues with an electric and fast paced mid/fwd and a key back we are screaming out for to develop.
Picks 33, 34 and 35 and maybe more to GWS for Conor Stone and Max Geuzewski. Both imo would be great choices and improve our forward line and midfield.
Take both Campo boys
Take Adam Tomlinson as a DFA to pair with Weitering for a couple of years.
2025 could look like:
B: Newman Weitering Cowan
Hb: Saad Tomlinson McGovern
C: Acres Cripps Walsh
Hf: EHollands Harry JSOS
F: Motlop Charlie Williams
R: TDK Docherty Cerra
Int: Kemp Kennedy, Stone Fogarty
Sub: Hewett
Depth: pick 15, pick 18, Pittonet, OHollands, Gruzewski, Cottrell, Cincotta, Fantasia, Binns, CDurdin, Lemmey, Young, Monaghan, Wilson, Lord, Moir etc
To me, the above side looks extremely strong and more dynamic. And if one of the 1st round picks comes on quickly and adds some explosiveness in the midfield, maybe we look at playing early.
It’s subtle changes and nothing that will push the salary cap too far for much more reward as well as keeping an eye on our future.
I’d Trade our 2025 1st for a pick approx 18 this year. Trade our 2025 2nd for a pick approx 35.
That gives us picks:
15ish
18
33 to trade out
34 to trade out
35 to trade out
Having these 5 picks would give the club a great chance to cash in on 2 1st round picks and trade for 3 players.
Give me 1 Darcy Jones type with our 1 of our 1st round picks and the best key back with our 2nd 1st round pick. More scoring avenues with an electric and fast paced mid/fwd and a key back we are screaming out for to develop.
Picks 33, 34 and 35 and maybe more to GWS for Conor Stone and Max Geuzewski. Both imo would be great choices and improve our forward line and midfield.
Take both Campo boys
Take Adam Tomlinson as a DFA to pair with Weitering for a couple of years.
2025 could look like:
B: Newman Weitering Cowan
Hb: Saad Tomlinson McGovern
C: Acres Cripps Walsh
Hf: EHollands Harry JSOS
F: Motlop Charlie Williams
R: TDK Docherty Cerra
Int: Kemp Kennedy, Stone Fogarty
Sub: Hewett
Depth: pick 15, pick 18, Pittonet, OHollands, Gruzewski, Cottrell, Cincotta, Fantasia, Binns, CDurdin, Lemmey, Young, Monaghan, Wilson, Lord, Moir etc
To me, the above side looks extremely strong and more dynamic. And if one of the 1st round picks comes on quickly and adds some explosiveness in the midfield, maybe we look at playing early.
It’s subtle changes and nothing that will push the salary cap too far for much more reward as well as keeping an eye on our future.
Are we allowed to do both?
Correct we don't know individually but collectively it doesn't seem we're at the cutting edge.
Some good stuff Juddy
I hope we go to the draft with 1 or 2 first round picks
So much to play out. With trades up to 2 years ahead, FA, the Campo kids our LM staff will need to be on the ball
I'd consider hitting up SOS for a trade for Zaine Cordy (Owies/Binns/Carrol??). Not getting a consistent look-in at Saints is 27, 195cm tall, premiership player, has been coached by one of the best defensive coaches in the business for 2 seasons and could bring in some of that wisdom (although Hammillyou'd have hoped will have a bit of that intel).
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