List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[StevoJenkins]

I guess my question is then what has been holding Zurhaar from becoming a more full time mid at North? Same issue with fitness? Or have they just lacked any type of decent forward so he's stayed up there (Dunkley style) and could easily transition in there?

As a pure forward, I guess he might be a bit old unless we didn't think McCarthy was going to get back at all (31 next year), Cameron was going to drop off (29 and extended to 33), or he was an upgrade on any of Rayner, Lohmann, Ah Chee, Morris, Bailey (ranked on IMO current form). I would probably put him about equal to Bailey at the moment, but with a far better defensive aspect to his game. I obviously rate Zurhaar and that's mostly based on his intensity and defensive tackling. Always seems to dig in.

Obviously list numbers would be a massive problem as outlined but could be manufactured with some delisting and re rookie options, which will undoubtedly be the choice for at least 2 of the SPP we took this year. Zurhaar is also a RFA so it is at least a possibility of us asking the question.

I think it's more need.

North have a good growing midfield. They don't need more mids, they need to build a defence and forward line, hence why Zur plays there (I don't watch a lot of North games, so I couldn't tell you if he could play out a full game as a mid).

That being said, not everyone needs to be a mid, some players either never can make it as a mid or do have the capacity, but don't due to effort or team need.

I'm of the mind that not everyone needs to be a mid. Rayner and Bailey can just stay as forwards and Fletcher can just stay as a winger (we need good wingers), but the coaches don't want that for better or worse.

Also, if you bring Zurharr in, where does he sit in the pecking order? Kai and McCarthy play the same position (there's already conflict there), Bailey and Rayner can't play in a team with Zur there in the forward line, does Ah Chee make way?

Additionally, I don't think Zurharr adds anything to the list that we don't already have. Only issue the list has is a lack of proper tall forwards (Morris doesn't count) if Daniher or Hippy were to go down, a young tall defender (who isn't Joyce or Gardiner) and a good second ruck to replace O.

 

[Section 5]

Good to see Berry and Cameron resign.

Charlies deal is too long. Two with a reasonable trigger would have been better.
Berry about 1 year too long for me. That happens with restricted free agents.

Fagan mentioned not long ago that a lot of player contracts now are too long.
But if you want to retain someone i suppose the club just has to do the best they can.

 

[Nunez]

Good to see Berry and Cameron resign.

Charlies deal is too long. Two with a reasonable trigger would have been better.
Berry about 1 year too long for me. That happens with restricted free agents.

Fagan mentioned not long ago that a lot of player contracts now are too long.
But if you want to retain someone i suppose the club just has to do the best they can.

I'm not too concerned re the third year for Charlie. I doubt it'll be on a hell of a lot.

 

[Dalions]

Charlie has just started to show signs that he is getting his speed back again so that is a good sign for the rest of this year atleast.

 

[Elixuh]

Good to see Berry and Cameron resign.

Charlies deal is too long. Two with a reasonable trigger would have been better.
Berry about 1 year too long for me. That happens with restricted free agents.

Fagan mentioned not long ago that a lot of player contracts now are too long.
But if you want to retain someone i suppose the club just has to do the best they can.

Hard to judge without knowing the finer details re price.

Charlie is a unicorn in terms of his commercial value and marketability.

 

[Dalions]

Hard to judge without knowing the finer details re price.

Charlie is a unicorn in terms of his commercial value and marketability.

Puts bums on seats.

 

[irel]

Good to see Berry and Cameron resign.

Charlies deal is too long. Two with a reasonable trigger would have been better.
Berry about 1 year too long for me. That happens with restricted free agents.

Fagan mentioned not long ago that a lot of player contracts now are too long.
But if you want to retain someone i suppose the club just has to do the best they can.

Agree with you on this, however without knowing the finer financial details I would assume Charlie would not be on much above the minimum in his final year. Good to keep him around as he has shown some capacity as a mentor for our young developing forwards. Also, his final years Charlie may be good value in the ressies, much the same role Lyons is performing currently.

Berry, as you indicate, if we want to keep him and there's no doubt that we do, then an extra year is neither here nor there. I would assume it would be a teared type of contract to ensure TPP is in favor of the club.

 

[Lazza16]

Lyons looking less than impressed at the Daly announcements of Bez and Charlies contract news.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If Mighty Lions was correct in saying that Gardiner was seriously contemplating retiring before his last contract due to his body always breaking down.
There is a chance that he may decide to pack it in at the end of the year which would open up another spot on the list if so.

Even if that happens, that list spot would need to go on another tall defender to replace Dizzy. Going into a season with Joyce and ZZ as the only tall defender depth would be suicidal.

 

[Pride of lions]

Good to see Berry and Cameron resign.

Charlies deal is too long. Two with a reasonable trigger would have been better.
Berry about 1 year too long for me. That happens with restricted free agents.

Fagan mentioned not long ago that a lot of player contracts now are too long.
But if you want to retain someone i suppose the club just has to do the best they can.

I guess the extra length of these contracts might have something to do with the Tassie team coming in by 2028.

 

[Miluxx]

Lyons looking less than impressed at the Daly announcements of Bez and Charlies contract news.

Came here to say the same thing. It's a shame as the bloke has been a huge reason especially in 19/20/21 for our rise up the ladder. He should definitely be playing AFL as he is far too good for VFL.

At Springfield today I noticed him a few times on his own walking around instead of being with team mates. Maybe I caught him at bad times but his body language isn't amazing.

 

[Dalions]

Came here to say the same thing. It's a shame as the bloke has been a huge reason especially in 19/20/21 for our rise up the ladder. He should definitely be playing AFL as he is far too good for VFL.

At Springfield today I noticed him a few times on his own walking around instead of being with team mates. Maybe I caught him at bad times but his body language isn't amazing.

I am sad for him as he was a large part of our rise up the ladder as you say, but in my eyes the game has unfortunately gone past him and we are a better team with a more youthful and mobile team.
I will be sad when his time is up.

 

[Perrip]

Came here to say the same thing. It's a shame as the bloke has been a huge reason especially in 19/20/21 for our rise up the ladder. He should definitely be playing AFL as he is far too good for VFL.

At Springfield today I noticed him a few times on his own walking around instead of being with team mates. Maybe I caught him at bad times but his body language isn't amazing.

That's a shame to hear. He's had a great career assisting us to where we are now and he's great to watch in the VFL.

 

[Nunez]

Still waiting for the biggest re-signing of them all - Froggy Lester.

Make it happen Lions

#Lester200 #FrogStomp200

Wrong account 3KZ is Football

 

[Dalions]

Still waiting for the biggest re-signing of them all - Froggy Lester.

Make it happen Lions

#Lester200 #FrogStomp200

With our shortage of backmen and his current form he is a shoe in for another year.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Wrong account 3KZ is Football

Yeah sorry. I will have to reactivate my BillyPuller account.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Still waiting for the biggest re-signing of them all - Froggy Lester.

Make it happen Lions

#Lester200 #FrogStomp200

He’s in career best form.

 

[3KZ is Football]

He’s in career best form.

… McIvor that is.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

We went from Leppitsch choking out zac o'brien

Zac O'brien

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.9

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

2.0

4star

to players desperate to stay at our club.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Even if that happens, that list spot would need to go on another tall defender to replace Dizzy. Going into a season with Joyce and ZZ as the only tall defender depth would be suicidal.

We also have doedee.

 

[Scubaveg]

Watch the clip of Berrys extension news. Jarrod Lyons the only player not clapping.


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[Sanchez365]

I think it's more need.

North have a good growing midfield. They don't need more mids, they need to build a defence and forward line, hence why Zur plays there (I don't watch a lot of North games, so I couldn't tell you if he could play out a full game as a mid).

That being said, not everyone needs to be a mid, some players either never can make it as a mid or do have the capacity, but don't due to effort or team need.

I'm of the mind that not everyone needs to be a mid. Rayner and Bailey can just stay as forwards and Fletcher can just stay as a winger (we need good wingers), but the coaches don't want that for better or worse.

Also, if you bring Zurharr in, where does he sit in the pecking order? Kai and McCarthy play the same position (there's already conflict there), Bailey and Rayner can't play in a team with Zur there in the forward line, does Ah Chee make way?

Additionally, I don't think Zurharr adds anything to the list that we don't already have. Only issue the list has is a lack of proper tall forwards (Morris doesn't count) if Daniher or Hippy were to go down, a young tall defender (who isn't Joyce or Gardiner) and a good second ruck to replace O.

Probably only if we thought Zurhaar could add to our midfield depth would he be worth seriously considering. But at his worst he fills that third tall position that current Gardiner and Morris have been playing. He is definitely a more reliable and quality player then either of them in that role, although who knows where Morris ceiling is at the moment.

If our best forward line (no injuries) was:
Dannihers Hipwood Cameron
Rayner McCarthy Bailey
Ah Chee Lohmann Morris (one of)
I think Zurhaar as a forward alone would be better then all except the first 3, and that's before you outline Fages requirement of having that third tall.

Our midfield of Neale / Dunkley / Berry / McCluggage / Ashcroft need better support from our HFF, it drops off very quickly from there (as we saw last year when Ashcroft went down). I still hope it's Rayner but I think Bailey needs to reinvent himself, a midfield of Neale / Ashcroft x2 / Bailey is far too slight IMO.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Watch the clip of Berrys extension news. Jarrod Lyons the only player not clapping.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Don't be over-dramatic I saw a few other players not clapping.

 

[martinson]

JL's already had 4 when only 2 were warranted. Much and all that he's been a stalwart when needed.

He must be deluded

 

[martinson]

Probably only if we thought Zurhaar could add to our midfield depth would he be worth seriously considering. But at his worst he fills that third tall position that current Gardiner and Morris have been playing. He is definitely a more reliable and quality player then either of them in that role, although who knows where Morris ceiling is at the moment.

If our best forward line (no injuries) was:
Dannihers Hipwood Cameron
Rayner McCarthy Bailey
Ah Chee Lohmann Morris (one of)
I think Zurhaar as a forward alone would be better then all except the first 3, and that's before you outline Fages requirement of having that third tall.

Our midfield of Neale / Dunkley / Berry / McCluggage / Ashcroft need better support from our HFF, it drops off very quickly from there (as we saw last year when Ashcroft went down). I still hope it's Rayner but I think Bailey needs to reinvent himself, a midfield of Neale / Ashcroft x2 / Bailey is far too slight IMO.

Zurhaar's better than Rayner but not that much better.

Zac needs a clear role and not just the guy who amazes once a quarter every 4 games but mostly can't tackle or break them.

He should have shown a lot more by now. Maybe he'll get there.