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[Clarkythelion]

Payne and foot issues have been hand in hand all through his career. Hard center square surface of Gabba is the last place we should be putting him on.

Qscan Injury Update: Jack Payne Expected to Miss

The Brisbane Lions confirm defender Jack Payne is expected to miss up to six weeks due to bone stress of his right foot.

www.lions.com.au

Totally agree, Jack was a very good discus thrower at the junior level and tipped to go on to the olympics but he chose footy. He was always a big kid and that twisting and turning in his growth years has probably come back to bite a bit.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Bone block

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I think Lachie Neal has one of these in his shoulder, I seem to recall mid talking about it on some footy show saying it stopped his shoulder popping out.

 

[McIvor]

Wow! That is a very unimpressive draft class.
Ugle Hagen at one… Ollie Henry at 17 then tumbleweeds until Eric Gulden in the30’s.

Ginnivan in the rookie draft!

Couldn’t really blame the Crows for bidding.

Max Holmes at pick 20 is a great pick

 

[spotthedog1]

Lester, Doedee and Morris are third talls. You don't want them playing on true KPPs.

They've been reluctant to play Lester on marking talls all season. Maybe a resting ruck or a slow, shorter guy. He gave up our 2 marks inside 50 to McLean and Amartey in the GF

Doedee similarly plays on a ruck who isn't much of a marking threat or one of the less threatening smalls with the plan to run off and intercept

If we play Carlton we don't want either on McKay or Curnow

Morris too has the advantage of outmarking smaller backmen. That gets taken away on better tall key backs

Fagan, with Andrews, Payne and Lester to choose from, chose to put Lester on Amartey and McLean. I presume you accept they're Key Fwds. ThIs the week after he shut down Jeremy Cameron. I presume you accept that he's a Key Fwd. But you're suggesting that despite these matchups, the coach is reluctant to play Lester on marking talls.

I'm just not getting the distinctions here. It seems pointless and designed to have a whinge. "He's tall, but he's not key. He's 3rd tall". Really want to get into a definitional debate? Why?

Morris is a first year, developing, key fwd. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[Clarkythelion]

It would be naive to think such assurances don't happen off the books though.

I think Richmond will think about picking Ashcroft at pick 1 for about 30 seconds - Picks 1 and 2 will receive cash bonuses of $10,000 and $5,000 respectively and clubs may want to reward their own players rather than a draftee headed for a rival club e.g Daicos and Will Ashcroft.

 

[spotthedog1]

And if Oscar pops his shoulder in the first quarter?

Bone block, can't pop out. But the premise is valid. What if he gets concussed, etc.

Question: what would you rather.

1. A key fwd rated at a 6/10 who can't ruck. If Oscar goes down, we're giving Dunkley, Hipwood, whoever a try for the rest of the game.

2. A Fwd/Ruck rated 4/10 who can ruck 4/10. If Oscar goes down, we have a bit more cover.

I'd prefer to plan for 95% of the time, not 5% of the time. And yes, I'm aware that without Joe's rucking, we wouldn't have survived the prelim. But Joe isn't an option any more. And frankly playing a Tom Fullarton style fwd just coz he can ruck averagely... not my preference.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Fagan, with Andrews, Payne and Lester to choose from, chose to put Lester on Amartey and McLean. I presume you accept they're Key Fwds. ThIs the week after he shut down Jeremy Cameron. I presume you accept that he's a Key Fwd. But you're suggesting that despite these matchups, the coach is reluctant to play Lester on marking talls.

I'm just not getting the distinctions here. It seems pointless and designed to have a whinge. "He's tall, but he's not key. He's 3rd tall". Really want to get into a definitional debate? Why?

Morris is a first year, developing, key fwd. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

McLean is not a marking threat. Jezza is relying heavily at the moment on his athleticism and getting up the ground as a flanker

Lester is not tall. He's an undersized key back if that's where you're playing him

 

[Nathan Barley]

Bone block, can't pop out. But the premise is valid. What if he gets concussed, etc.

Question: what would you rather.

1. A key fwd rated at a 6/10 who can't ruck. If Oscar goes down, we're giving Dunkley, Hipwood, whoever a try for the rest of the game.

2. A Fwd/Ruck rated 4/10 who can ruck 4/10. If Oscar goes down, we have a bit more cover.

I'd prefer to plan for 95% of the time, not 5% of the time. And yes, I'm aware that without Joe's rucking, we wouldn't have survived the prelim. But Joe isn't an option any more. And frankly playing a Tom Fullarton style fwd just coz he can ruck averagely... not my preference.

But we're talking about Dizzy or Morris being our main target when Hipwood rucks. That is not a functional forwardline especially when we're playing a dud ruck

That's why Smith is being suggested. He's the 4/10 forward who can ruck ok.

 

[Perrip]

Twomey sounded unsure if a Dev Rob trade would eventuate on Gettable just then.

 

[Tom14]

Twomey sounded unsure if a Dev Rob trade would eventuate on Gettable just then.

West coast have added baker and graham - don’t think there is a spot for him given its super likely west coast will also draft a mid imo.

 

[Elixuh]

On both shoulders?

 

[spotthedog1]

But we're talking about Dizzy or Morris being our main target when Hipwood rucks. That is not a functional forwardline especially when we're playing a dud ruck

That's why Smith is being suggested. He's the 4/10 forward who can ruck ok.

I'm just going to leave the "is Lester a tall" debate because it just comes down to definitions and that's a waste of time. I say Key Defender is synonymous with Tall Defender. You say that talls can be Key or 3rd. Not worth arguing about, or really worth you putting laughing emojis on every post you slightly disagree with just to convince yourself that you're the smartest and anyone you disagree with is an idiot. A little courtesy eh?

I get that if we through Hipwood to ruck for 5 mins a quarter, that means we have a smaller forward line for 5 mins a quarter. I don't see the problem. Height isn't the only factor.

If you have a 200cm forward on a 190cm back, sure, kick it on his head and you'll have a slight advantage. If you have a 190cm forward on a 200cm defender... don't plonk it on his head quite so often.

We'll develop a plan for ruck backup, I'm sure. I'm just not convinced we have to base our recruitment here around "can he ruck?". I'd rather get the best forward we can (likely fringe anyway), over a worse forward who can pinch hit.

 

[Dalions]

Ralphy is a VFL mouthpiece and a Tigers nuffy. He isn’t going to accuse them of draft tampering. He will write some not so subtle piece about how messed up it is that the lions are getting these rorts.

I personally don’t think Richmond will bid on Ashcroft but I could definitely see them bidding on Sam Marshall earlier than expected.

 

[briztoon]

It would be naive to think such assurances don't happen off the books though.

Of course.

 

[Pns_blister]

A forward line of Tom McDonald, Ben Brown, Luke Jackson won a premiership. Players playing their role can kick a winning score.

Let us not forget about Cox, Frampton and Mihocek

 

[SpecialBruce]

Twomey sounded unsure if a Dev Rob trade would eventuate on Gettable just then.

Possible he is delisted then?

 

[Perrip]

Possible he is delisted then?

Still contracted till 2025 with us.

 

[Sproj]

Possible he is delisted then?

He still has a season on his contract. He’s decent, so as a back up mid, why would we want to get rid of anyway?

 

[Denno]

Possible he is delisted then?

Think he's contracted still.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Still contracted till 2025 with us.

So was Lyons IIRC

 

[McIvor]

So was Lyons IIRC

Lyons was only contracted until end of this year.

 

[Perrip]

So was Lyons IIRC

Nah, Lyons was only until this year.

Jarryd Lyons signs a three-year contract extension to stay at Brisbane

 

[Nunez]

So was Lyons IIRC

NO HE WASN'T!

/Shouteddown

 

[Nathan Barley]

Lyons was only contracted until end of this year.

Nah, Lyons was only until this year.

Jarryd Lyons signs a three-year contract extension to stay at Brisbane

Sorry, meant when Suns delisted him to facilitate joining a new club

He retired this year

 

[SpecialBruce]

He still has a season on his contract. He’s decent, so as a back up mid, why would we want to get rid of anyway?

If he was out of contract and no one wanted him he would be delisted.

He needs a massive year next year because if no one is interested in him now no one will be next year and I highly doubt he would get a new contract. He would have to lift big time