Non Lions Discussion 2024

[McIvor]

Could be alone on this but I don’t rate Houston anywhere near a lot of the value that’s been reported.

He’s a nice player and had an exceptional 23 granted, but like Sinclair at Saints; kinda shits me the VIC media get their blinkers on for these guys particularly AA selectors and yet ignore a gun like Starcevich who constantly gets a bad wrap b/c of the 23 GF. Yep I’m bias but give me Starc any day of the week.

Had a read of Carlton’s trade thread and they’re pretty salty about Houston. Some rate him but b/c the vast majority think they’re going to get trumped by Collingwood they are really downplaying him now.

 

[martinson]

He’s a nice player and had an exceptional 23 granted, but like Sinclair at Saints; kinda shits me the VIC media get their blinkers on for these guys particularly AA selectors and yet ignore a gun like Starcevich who constantly gets a bad wrap b/c of the 23 GF. Yep I’m bias but give me Starc any day of the week.

Had a read of Carlton’s trade thread and they’re pretty salty about Houston. Some rate him but b/c the vast majority think they’re going to get trumped by Collingwood they are really downplaying him now.

Houston's a good player but he's no Starcevich.

Starcevich is a total gun.

 

[Denno]

Could be alone on this but I don’t rate Houston anywhere near a lot of the value that’s been reported.

You're not alone!

 

[McIvor]

I might not be technically savvy with footy, but isn't what every team does



Surely a lot of words spoken by coaches are just words because, from what I can tell, statements like this are just stating the bleeding obvious of what all teams do to score.

 

[dlanod]

I might not be technically savvy with footy, but isn't what every team does



Surely a lot of words spoken by coaches are just words because, from what I can tell, statements like this are just stating the bleeding obvious of what all teams do to score.

There's two parts there. One is "going forward with the ball" - the alternative is going sideways where some teams go the immediate switch or (like us) have those 45 degree chip kicks forward and back to try and pick apart a zone.

The second part is "attacking in our front half".

This what we do - we tend to set up a very high zone with just about everyone the attacking side of centre, which can lead to embarrassing looking goals if not everyone is focused or on the same page, but if it works we get turnovers in scoring positions.

However other teams will attack from their defensive half. You'll see quite a few teams focus on generating turnovers in their back half and generating run from there. GWS would be an example where they'll back their defenders where the field gets narrower and let the ball move through the wings relatively unimpeded, get a turnover and then tsunami it forward if they can.

Another alternative is a focus on defending the whole ground and rather than getting turnovers, forcing ball ups and throw ins and back themselves to win contest after contest. This has probably been more a Carlton trait recently with the likes of Cripps in the middle. It's very player dependent.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Found this awesome gif on the bombers board

 

[p4p1]

Found this awesome gif on the bombers board

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[McIvor]

I know some were discussing Jack Hayes, so may be of interest.

 

[Section 5]

I know some were discussing Jack Hayes, so may be of interest.

Personally, i don't see why we would be interested.
He will be 29 by the start of next season.
Played 8 AFL games in 3 years. Subbed off in 2 of those.
His best AFL season was his first.
VFL: No games in 2022, 4 games in 2023 and 6 games in 2024 last being R10
His VFL stats form is okay when he actually plays, but so was Brandon Ryan

Now if somehow the Lions pick him up, i will search far and wide to show why it was a good pickup.

 

[Gadzorks]

Well done to Keays on winning the Adelaide B&F alongside Dawson. Huge testament to his work ethic and dedication.

How is the same pathway for dev somewhere.

 

[McIvor]

Personally, i don't see why we would be interested.
He will be 29 by the start of next season.
Played 8 AFL games in 3 years. Subbed off in 2 of those.
His best AFL season was his first.
VFL: No games in 2022, 4 games in 2023 and 6 games in 2024 last being R10
His VFL stats form is okay when he actually plays, but so was Brandon Ryan

Now if somehow the Lions pick him up, i will search far and wide to show why it was a good pickup.

I wasn't advocating for him and to be honest, had no idea who he was until some on here were floating his name. Those stats make for poor reading.

 

[McIvor]

That's one less club after Danny Daly having been linked to him:

 

[M Malice]

That's one less club after Danny Daly having been linked to him:

BTW McIvor , kudos to you for all the linking of Lions relevant info you have been posting all over the Lions board the last few months.

 

[captainrich]

I'm reading gold coast would pay pick 6 and pick 29 for Rioli?

Am I missing something? Half-back flanker for that much? Geez

 

[McIvor]

I'm reading gold coast would pay pick 6 and pick 29 for Rioli?

Am I missing something? Half-back flanker for that much? Geez

They reckon on Trading Day that it will be the Suns pick 6 and 23.

 

[briztoon]

I'm reading gold coast would pay pick 6 and pick 29 for Rioli?

Am I missing something? Half-back flanker for that much? Geez

Richmond would have to be sending back a future pick as well. Something like a future second round pick.

Otherwise Gold Coast are being reamed.

 

[captainrich]

They reckon on Trading Day that it will be the Suns pick 6 and 23.

Never been an All Australian. Played as a small forward or half back flanker using his pace which at age 27 won't last much longer. Gold Coast don't have much hope

 

[BangyBangy]

Never been an All Australian. Played as a small forward or half back flanker using his pace which at age 27 won't last much longer. Gold Coast don't have much hope

Turns 28 in April. I would have thought pick 6 is overs tbh, maybe at a stretch if he's contracted for another couple of years.

 

[Elixuh]

I know some were discussing Jack Hayes, so may be of interest.

Collingwood’s list strategy is getting interesting

 

[McIvor]

Never been an All Australian. Played as a small forward or half back flanker using his pace which at age 27 won't last much longer. Gold Coast don't have much hope

Heard Kane Cornes this morning basically comparing this deal with what we gave up for Lachie Neale (pick 6 and 19 and 55) and getting pick 30 back and saying Gold Coast are crazy noting how well we did for a player that was younger and a proven player having won B&Fs at Freo compared to Rioli having not achieved much other than being fortunate to play in some premiership teams.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Never been an All Australian. Played as a small forward or half back flanker using his pace which at age 27 won't last much longer. Gold Coast don't have much hope

Especially when pick 6 will likely still be a live pick for them

 

[Tom14]

Richmond would have to be sending back a future pick as well. Something like a future second round pick.

Otherwise Gold Coast are being reamed.

Gee that’s never happened before!

 

[briztoon]

SEN reporting Gold Coast turned down Collingwood’s offer of Noble + Future First for Gold Coast’s picks 14 & 23.

Considering Collingwood are 50/50 to make finals next year, that’s a good trade for GC.

 

[Elixuh]

So it’s a gamble on pick upgrade and paying 23 for Noble. Seems massive overs. Noble is a late second or third rounder. Disposal is terrible and panicked. Are Collingwood expecting to win the trade or something because it’s Gold Coast?

 

[Bucking Beads]

So it’s a gamble on pick upgrade and paying 23 for Noble. Seems massive overs. Noble is a late second or third rounder. Disposal is terrible and panicked. Are Collingwood expecting to win the trade or something because it’s Gold Coast?

Noble has a few years left under contract so the Suns will need to pay a bit more than market value to get him IMO.