List Mgmt. 2024 List management Discussion

[Mat Mann]

This is solely for list management discussion, Trades discussion goes in the trade thread, and Draft prospect discussion goes in it's relevant thread.

Spoiler: Draft Order

Spoiler: Contract Status

Name Final Year Years Service* Status Angus Hastie 2025 2 Unknown Angus McLennan 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Anthony Caminiti 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Arie Schoenmaker 2025 2 Unknown Ben Paton 2024 7 Non-Free Agent Brad Crouch 2025 5 Non-Free Agent Bradley Hill 2027 8 Restricted Free Agent Callum Wilkie 2027 9 Restricted Free Agent Cooper Sharman 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Daniel Butler 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Darcy Wilson 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Dougal Howard 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Hugo Garcia 2025 2 Unknown Hunter Clark 2025 8 Restricted Free Agent Isaac Keeler 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Jack Hayes 2024 3 Non-Free Agent Jack Higgins 2027 7 Non-Free Agent Jack Sinclair 2027 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Jack Steele 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent James Van Es 2024 2 DELISTED Jimmy Webster 2024 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Josh Battle 2024 8 UFA - leaving for Hawthorn Lance Collard 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Liam Henry 2027 4 Non-Free Agent Liam O'Connell 2025 2 Unknown Liam Stocker 2024 2 Unrestricted Free Agent Marcus Windhager 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Mason Wood 2024 4 UFA + 3 years (2027) Mattaes Phillipou 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Matthew Allison 2024 4 DELISTED Max Hall 2025 2 Non-Free Agent Max Heath 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Max King 2026 8 Restricted Free Agent Mitchito Owens 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Olli Hotton 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Paddy Dow 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Riley Bonner 2024 1 DELISTED Rowan Marshall 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent Ryan Byrnes 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Sebastian Ross 2024 13 DELISTED Tim Membrey 2024 10 Unrestricted Free Agent Tom Campbell 2024 3 DELISTED Zaine Cordy 2025 3 Non-Free Agent Zak Jones 2024 5 Non-Free Agent * Years service at end of contract.

Spoiler: Trade/Draft periods

Free Agency - Friday, October 4 and will run until Friday, October 11.
Trade Period - Monday, October 7 and will run until Wednesday, October 16.
National Draft - Round One - Wednesday, November 20 followed by the remaining rounds of the
National Draft - The rest - Thursday, November 21.
Rookie and Pre-Season Draft - Friday, November 22.

 

[Klaatu]

And by the way every club has 1 or 2 spuds per premiership side

 

[beside the seaside]

I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for Cole to be AFL ready he will struggle with the speed and continuity of the game in the VFL. I know the club will take him but I personally very much doubt he makes it. Think about Cordy level is my estimation....

It's crazy to write off a kpd based on their draft year. They take a long time. Respect your opinion but he's the metro full back, he is as good a chance as any.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Jimmy Webster
Ryan Byrnes
Liam Stocker
Angus McLennan
Max Heath
Isaac Keeler

Six Saints sign on

Six Saints have extended their tenures at the club into the 2025 AFL season.

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Byrnes is unlucky not to be offered a longer contract, I dont know what the kid has to do to prove the club his worth!

 

[g_TRAIN]

Byrnes is unlucky not to be offered a longer contract, I dont know what the kid has to do to prove the club his worth!

I would have given him 2 years.

His back half of the season was excellent.

 

[Saint Watto]

I think we pick up Peckett, he's kept improving as the season has worn on.

RTB is a huge rap for him.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I would have given him 2 years.

His back half of the season was excellent.

Probably just that, back half of the season.
Hasn't been fully consistant yet. Do like him.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Hotton & Paton missing from that list probably leans towards them being cut.
Could depend on what happens with Hayes, Howard, Jones & Membrey.
Would like to keep Jones & Membrey.
If? we bring in Laverde & Tomlinson then I suppose Hayes & Howard are expendable.
Howard's form was pretty decent in 24 though.

 

[Saintbloke]

Hotton & Paton missing from that list probably leans towards them being cut.
Could depend on what happens with Hayes, Howard, Jones & Membrey.
Would like to keep Jones & Membrey.
If? we bring in Laverde & Tomlinson then I suppose Hayes & Howard are expendable.
Howard's form was pretty decent in 24 though.

Just get midfield, midfield, midfield and more midfield, or we just park ourselves in the middle of the ladder going forward.

 

[Rogue Warrior]

I’m surprised they haven’t resigned Howard yet. None of the guys mentioned Tomlinson/Laverde are as good as he is.

Also, I thought it had been confirmed/reported the saints weren’t offering Hayes a contract, so what are they waiting for. Surely no one trades for him if he will be delisted anyway?

 

[gubby88]

I’m surprised they haven’t resigned Howard yet. None of the guys mentioned Tomlinson/Laverde are as good as he is.

Also, I thought it had been confirmed/reported the saints weren’t offering Hayes a contract, so what are they waiting for. Surely no one trades for him if he will be delisted anyway?

There was rports that it ws being negotiated. probably not finalised yet

 

[MrFoster]

Hotton & Paton missing from that list probably leans towards them being cut.
Could depend on what happens with Hayes, Howard, Jones & Membrey.
Would like to keep Jones & Membrey.
If? we bring in Laverde & Tomlinson then I suppose Hayes & Howard are expendable.
Howard's form was pretty decent in 24 though.

Paton - Gone
Hotton - 50/50
Hayes - Gone (waiting for a trade?)
Jones - 50/50
Membrey - Gone (looking elsewhere)
Howard - 50/50

So with 5 already delisted (Van Es, Campbell, Bonnet, Allison, Ross) and Battle gone, we’ll be looking at 10+ changes this off season. Year of exploration has finally arrived and gone.

 

[TheNewEnsign]

Probably just that, back half of the season.
Hasn't been fully consistant yet. Do like him.

Not trying to pot him here (I thought two years would have been good) but even with his better back half, his games against West Coast and Geelong were pretty weak. Still young though.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Paton - Gone
Hotton - 50/50
Hayes - Gone (waiting for a trade?)
Jones - 50/50
Membrey - Gone (looking elsewhere)
Howard - 50/50

So with 5 already delisted (Van Es, Campbell, Bonnet, Allison, Ross) and Battle gone, we’ll be looking at 10+ changes this off season. Year of exploration has finally arrived and gone.

Howard & Jones more likely to re-sign, especially as they've had no interest to note.
So even 10 is alot, 9 last year.
If we recruit FS- Peckett, NGA's- Cole & Hofman, Sandy rookie, use 4 earlier draft picks. That leaves us with 2 experienced players to trade in or just pick up.
Ladlams or Soldo could likely be one of those.
I'd rather Tomlinson instead of Laverde & Taylor.

 

[Diehard Saint]

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I think I'm being fair and reasonable

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Draft Picks:

1. Lalor- a Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

with more explosiveness.
2. Trainor- key position swingman, best rated tall in this draft.
3.  Oliver- a Sinclair with a harder edge, elite kicking
4. Boxshall - hard nut med.sized mid/def. who team mates love

FS & NGA's:

1. Cole- similar to Zac Dawson

Zac Dawson

Age

38

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

34.4

1star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

???
2. Hofman-???
3. Peckett-Frankie's boy

Sandy Rookie:

1. No bloody idea

Trade in on the cheap:

1. Soldo or Ladlams

2. Tomlinson

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Campbell & Garcia didn't make it on the vfl squad of 40 for the best team, bit stiff.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Byrnes is unlucky not to be offered a longer contract, I dont know what the kid has to do to prove the club his worth!

Be more consistant, would be my guess. But, his good is good, love his bullet passes.

 

[stfan]

I think we pick up Peckett, he's kept improving as the season has worn on.

Yes, has played well enough to at least be a rookie, and most likely well enough to be worth a late pick.

 

[Klaatu]

What’s happening with Dougal


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[The Jack]

What’s happening with Dougal

 

[gringo2011]

The monthly reminder that the draft capital we gave up to bring in multiple best 22 players ended up only being 1 first round pick and a bunch of late picks.

They spent capital up on mature recruits too. Howard, Ryder, Hanners, Parker, Hind, McKernan, Frawley, Highmore, Hunter, Wilkie, Kent, Young etc. They stepped out of a path focussed on the future for some kind of fantasy footy game. The end for guys like Carlisle, Stuv, Roberton etc wasn’t the time to load up on older players. If you think it was good management you are a weirdo.

 

[Saintbloke]

They spent capital up on mature recruits too. Howard, Ryder, Hanners, Parker, Hind, McKernan, Frawley, Highmore, Hunter, Wilkie, Kent, Young etc. They stepped out of a path focussed on the future for some kind of fantasy footy game. The end for guys like Carlisle, Stuv, Roberton etc wasn’t the time to load up on older players. If you think it was good management you are a weirdo.

The Saints kept falling for the old routine of trying to prop up field positions no matter what the age or current form of players. We need get best available talent first, instead of looking for quick fixes and the dream of instant success, as that is what has held the club back for years.

 

[The Punter]

If I may zag for a bit...

At the end of 2019, it was clear we needed outside class. We needed another tall defender. We needed a pressure small forward. We needed another ruckman.

So we went and got them.

North Melbourne just keep picking at the top of the draft and taking the best available. They have a surfeit of inside mids.

And they need outside class. They need a tall defender.

There's no right way to build a list. There is certainly a wrong way, so I guess the right way is "not that", but it doesn't always work. There are many reasons a player might not make it, whether they walk into a club at 18 or 29 years old.

If there is an opportunity to trade in for need, we will do it and hopefully not at an exorbitant cost. Otherwise just get the best players in and develop them.

Surely we can all see the development has improved. Five hands down best 22 players (none KPPs BTW) have walked through the door via the draft in the last three years. Grab another 2-3 this year and that is an excellent basis for prolonged competitiveness and better.

But don't discount if suddenly Zac Butters became available this time next week for a fair price. You have to assess opportunities when they arise with the best information you have at the time, which is what I think we did in 2019.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Houston favours a move to the blues over the saints - Edmund