List Mgmt. 2024 List Mgmt

[SaintsSeptember]

Delist:

Jones
Hayes
Membrey
Allison
Paton
Campbell

plus
Crouch - if the injury is as reported

Hotton replaces Caminiti on the rookie list

(I'd like to get Ross & Bonner off our list too, but this won't happen)

We need more from everyone, but particularly the following if they are to stay on our list:
Collard
Clark
Byrnes
Stocker
Butler
Keeler
Van Es - focusing on his pre-injury form obvs
Heath
Sharman
Caminiti

I don't think Hotton has improved significantly over 2 years. No reason why he should be a late developer.

- Olli Hotton

vfl.aflmstats.com

I'd rather give the rookie spot to a player who might get a game one day. I hate shuffling duds onto the rookie list.
Clark has missed a lot of footy, he might improve a bit more.
Butler is 28 and he's what he is. One of the reasons i don't mind Stengle if we can get him through free agency ( if we don't have compensation coming our way).

Keep Campbell unless we get more rucks, especially if we delist Hayes.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't think Hotton has improved significantly over 2 years. No reason why he should be a late developer.

- Olli Hotton

vfl.aflmstats.com

I'd rather give the rookie spot to a player who might get a game one day. I hate shuffling duds onto the rookie list.
Clark has missed a lot of footy, he might improve a bit more.
Butler is 28 and he's what he is. One of the reasons i don't mind Stengle if we can get him through free agency ( if we don't have compensation coming our way).

Keep Campbell unless we get more rucks, especially if we delist Hayes.

He's been injured a lot and a potential first round pick when he was drafted. He's hardly had a decent run at it.

 

[botts]

He's been injured a lot and a potential first round pick when he was drafted. He's hardly had a decent run at it.

He has this year and played one good game. I watch all the sandy games and I think he doesn’t work hard enough. Don’t think he will be delisted but he would want to start putting better games together

 

[SaintsSeptember]

He's been injured a lot and a potential first round pick when he was drafted. He's hardly had a decent run at it.

9 games last year, 8 so far this year.
Wouldn't sign him up for more than another year.

- Olli Hotton

vfl.aflmstats.com

3 games with more than 15 touches last year.
4 games with more than 15 touches so far this year.
Though it looks like they have him in the forward pocket a fair bit, that won't be helping him.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

He's been injured a lot and a potential first round pick when he was drafted. He's hardly had a decent run at it.

Where he was originally mooted to go in the draft is now irrelevant.
Sinclair and Wilkie went undrafted. Dow WAS pick three in the draft and is looking pretty damn average.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Need to Sign Nas for another 5. He’s the only draftee that’s gone beyond the “looks pretty good” stage, in forever.

 

[stfan]

Need to Sign Nas for another 5. He’s the only draftee that’s gone beyond the “looks pretty good” stage, in forever.

Yes our draft selections in the main draft have been ordinary to shocking. I have not checked, but I would strongly suspect that if we had just gone with some Phantom Drafters Player Ratings that we would have gone better than we have with our inhouse team. Our 2023 draft selections look like a welcome, but rare, aberration.

Prior to Nas our last outperform quality draftee is Wilkie!!!!

Everyone else at best has been "promising" "to potentially very good" at best. Windy is looking good. Owens down this year, but I feel will make it. Pou we hope will come good once his body develops. King stuttering, but still good value.

Wilkie is a 2018 Rookie. When you consider that 3 of our best players in Wilkie, Marshall and Sinclair were all taken as Rookies it really drives home how truly abysmal our drafting has been in the main draft. I mean our last chance saloon picks have outperformed our selections from the main draft in terms of gaining quality players!

Plus on our current list we have brought in FIFTEEN players from other AFL Clubs!

Battle from 2016 has been a rare success from our main draft picks, though a success we are evidently going to lose.


PS. Wilson in his first season is looking like he will be good. But one season, does not a player make as we know only too well. Too early to say on our other young draftees though there are some good prospects there.

 

[Saint Watto]

Sigh, just not sure where our list is at right now, take me back to the good old days

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Talk about a severe case of PTSD after looking at that pic !!!!!!

 

[sasaint]

Pre-season I thought we still did not have a list that could become a Top 4 list in say 2025, but I though we were progressing well.

Firstly the positive side. Our draft crop of last year looks to be as a group be excellent.

Unfortunately this year we seem to have fallen further off the pace. In part as a number of our older players have gone backwards more quickly than we would have hoped. Some by a lot, and some by a little.

In short our midfield has gone backwards. Plus overall as a team we have too many players who do not use the ball well enough by foot or hand, both in excecution and in where they decide to place it.

MIDFIELD - ON THE BALL MIDS

• Crouch seems to have a chronic knee. Steele seems to have gone down a cog. So two players who I thought could be the midfield platform that we add to now looks less certain. Jones I though was gone anyway, but this season has just confirmed it. Ross while having had a decent career is now a sign of our midfield not being good enough if he plays, which he mainly does (though is now sometimes being played elsewehere).
• Dow has missed most of the year, though clearance wise looks ok, but just ok. He can be part of our midfield going forward, but he will not give us the edge.
• Clark I like as a mid. But staying on the park due to freak injuries he seems cursed with. He will be no gun, but certainly can be useful.

*Pou. While looking better in the midfield now at Sandi, he is still a long way off being a good AFL Level mid. Hopefully with another pr-season we will see abetter Pou, otherwise his role in the 22 may not be as a starting mid.

• Garcia. A lot to like, but is probably going to be a support mid rather than a gun.
• windy gets a big tick. He continued to roll out good tagging performances and grew as a mid.

* Henry certainly has shown promise to play as a mid and to connect with them. He looks better there than further up forward.

Wilson. Exceeded expectations. Unfortunately his kicking at times is wanting (Unfortunately, how often do we say this about a St Kilda player). If he can improve his kicking we have found a star. Looks good at wing or HF.

Wood remains a quality wing. Getting older, but is super fit and so should be good for a few years yet.

Hill is Hill. At times super damaging, but at other times wasteful with his short passes. His biggest benefit at present is that he seems to be central to all of our indigenous players being in happy place at St Kilda, and in helping to attract Henry, and maybe other future indigenous players.

Marshall. Without him our year would have been absolutely grim. Competitive beast.


BACKLINE

This is our strength. Even with all the injuries, and Sincs often being used to prop up the midfield, it has remained in the main good.

Sincs year has been diluted by him having to be used to prop up our midfield. But with him and Nas we have two AA level HBF who are good both offensively and defensively. Arie announced last game that he will add to this.

Wilkie while not having his best year remains a star. I think he is at his best when Howard can play FB.

Battle has been excellent. If he goes that is a loss for a backline. Hopefully if he des go he gets us a round 1 pick low enough to secure a quality mid draftee.

Webster has been off and on. Many interruptions to his season though. Paton has been poor and has regressed. Stocker has been fair.

Howard I feel gets bad wrap. He is not a gun, but he meshes with his team mates to create a good backline.

Arie is the back in waiting. I suspect he will be given a solid run of senior games now.

Bonner started with a shocker, but has been ok. If and when we geta best 22 on the park he probably gets squeezed out.

Keeler has shown promise as a tall back in waiting fun for 2025 +. Van Ess is just an unknown due to his continued injuries.

Cordy. While contracted for another year, we should consider paying him out.

FORWARDS

With injuries and suspensions our forward line has been cruelled this season. However overall we remain with a fairly useful and competitive forward line if we can every get them all on the park. The forward line is certainly not our key problem., especially if Caminiti can continue to develop.

Hayes who is the type of competitive beast (like Marshall) we as a team need, but lack. His run of injuries may see him gone.

Membery appears to have reached is his expiry date after an excellent year with us. Owens has been so so this year, but I expect from 2025 on that he will get better and better. He suffered from the goal kicking yips earlier this seas, but seems to have worked his way through it.

Jury remain out on Sharman. Though to be fair to him in the main when he has been in the seniors he seems to get thrown around everywhere. I certainly would be keeping him.


OVERALL

With what we currently have in 2025 we can still have a good backline, a decent forward line, good wings and Marshall being Marshall. But our midfield is going to remain our biggest problem.

So two approaches:
1/ Chase good FA's and trade in good players.
2/ Maximise our draft hand

I doubt we can excecute 1// this draft/trade period.trade. We may get a decent recycled mid from, or another type of player who would be helpful somewhere. So the main, but by no means certain hope, is to try and maximise our draft haul and to land two decent young mids in the draft.

I say by no means certain as that seems predicated on both Battle being able to generate a Band 1 compensation, and us finishing low enough to get the mids we need. Say 2 of Smith, Draper or Lalor.

Now that also means that our main future hope is by adding two kids, and so that means more pain in 2025, though a hopefully gives us impetus after that.

However, we could well have a better 2025 than 2024 as so much has gone wrong this season. But we are not going to be Top 4 unless some truly amazing happens with say many of our young players having major development leaps.

LIST

I would tend to prune hard. I cannot see us being a true contender in 2025 and we need to find more players who can use the ball well under pressure, as well mids in particular.

You know what our deficiencies are, I know this, RTB has basically said this publicly. Unless we can gain more quality players we are only every going to be treading water.

We need to keep churning the list till we find them. We need to back Dalrymple in this. He has been brought in to remodel/rebuild our list.

Dalrymple will be, I assume, not just looking at new talent, but also casting his measured eye over all on our list to decide if they are part of the puzzle, or whether they are just a piece that will never be a fit for us.

I believe the other factor playing on our list build is dodging what the AFL is doing to help other teams. We, that is the club, needs to demand that the AFL stop providing gifts to other clubs, both established and new clubs, that forever compromises the attempts of the Saints in buiding a competitive team. We have to act fast before the new Tassie team sucks out all the top end talent again.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Tom Blamires-Sandy & Elwood Peckett-FS, add to our 2025 list

 

[gringo2011]

Where he was originally mooted to go in the draft is now irrelevant.
Sinclair and Wilkie went undrafted. Dow WAS pick three in the draft and is looking pretty damn average.

Still would rather hang on to him for another year. He was obviously high potential. Van Es and Hotton are like new recruits due to a lack of exposed form. Even for mature players missing long period of preseason and training set them back a long way. Delisting these two and using picks in the 50s and 60s would have a much lower chance of coming good.

 

[gringo2011]

It makes sense that clubs with players that they want need to trade into good picks for points not the other way around. It was designed to be exploited by the Northern sides.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Tom Blamires-Sandy & Elwood Peckett-FS, add to our 2025 list

Peckett is up against it as he's low in the pool and won't get picked on sentiment.
Cole the most likely (IMO) but if he slips to cat B there is only 1 spot unless both Gus and Irish are cut.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Peckett is up against it as he's low in the pool and won't get picked on sentiment.
Cole the most likely (IMO) but if he slips to cat B there is only 1 spot unless both Gus and Irish are cut.

How many FS do we ever have, of coarse he will get picked up on sentiment & the fact that he has some of his dads talent

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Jones was named in the rounds best 22.
Writing him off a bit early there boys.

 

[gringo2011]

Need to Sign Nas for another 5. He’s the only draftee that’s gone beyond the “looks pretty good” stage, in forever.

Quite incredible that we still haven't drafted a star since maybe Brendan Goddard in the ND 22 years ago (if he was a star). Nas is the closest to an elite player in that time. It defies all laws of the universe. If you flip a coin and it lands on heads 123 times surely the ****ing thing has to fall tails next time. If we'd sacked the recruiters and went off a dart from a blindfolded thrower we'd have been better off.

Most of our best players are rookies, trades or recycled. We have 13 mid career players between 22 and 27, Cordy, Bonner, Battle, Paton, Higgins, Clark, Dow, Stocker, King, Sharman, Byrnes, Henry, Allison and Hall. Six started at other clubs. Hall and Sharman were taken as top ups. Only King and Battle look above average draftees.

 

[Premium]

Still would rather hang on to him for another year. He was obviously high potential. Van Es and Hotton are like new recruits due to a lack of exposed form. Even for mature players missing long period of preseason and training set them back a long way. Delisting these two and using picks in the 50s and 60s would have a much lower chance of coming good.

We will have at least 5 to 7 list spots at the end of year - guys like Membery , Ross , Allison , Campbell , Jones , O'Connell and there are also guys like Howard , Paton , Crouch , Webster and Battle that are all off contract.

 

[akaifu]

We will have at least 5 to 7 list spots at the end of year - guys like Membery , Ross , Allison , Campbell , Jones , O'Connell and there are also guys like Howard , Paton , Crouch , Webster and Battle that are all off contract.

Crouch is already secured for 2025. Webster is already in contract talks. Howard will re-sign if not traded. O'Connell will also be retained - why in the world would we have recruited him if we were only going to give him a year to develop?

Ross would be 50-50 purely on the leadership aspect. Paton and Campbell are 50-50 too depending on other list decisions

Jones, Membrey, Allison are probably the only locks to be gone at this point. Hopefully Ross is moved on, and Heath shows enough to displace Campbell. I don't mind holding onto Paton for one more year as pure depth and the off chance he gets back to 2020 form (very unlikely)

 

[Premium]

Crouch is already secured for 2025. Webster is already in contract talks. Howard will re-sign if not traded. O'Connell will also be retained - why in the world would we have recruited him if we were only going to give him a year to develop?

Ross would be 50-50 purely on the leadership aspect. Paton and Campbell are 50-50 too depending on other list decisions

Jones, Membrey, Allison are probably the only locks to be gone at this point. Hopefully Ross is moved on, and Heath shows enough to displace Campbell. I don't mind holding onto Paton for one more year as pure depth and the off chance he gets back to 2020 form (very unlikely)

I would like to know why Crouch is not currently playing , also do you think they will renew Hayes contract - he a good player but like many just can't stay injury free.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

I would like to know why Crouch is not currently playing , also do you think they will renew Hayes contract - he a good player but like many just can't stay injury free.

a) his knee is ****ed

b) good question - see a) maybe

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Peckett is up against it as he's low in the pool and won't get picked on sentiment.
Cole the most likely (IMO) but if he slips to cat B there is only 1 spot unless both Gus and Irish are cut.

He could be the biggest thing since Baily Rice. We were so overjoyed when he chose us over Carlton.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

He could be the biggest thing since Baily Rice. We were so overjoyed when he chose us over Carlton.

tbf Bailey had a similar body shape to his old man ….. so you could see why ….. they …..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We will have at least 5 to 7 list spots at the end of year - guys like Membery , Ross , Allison , Campbell , Jones , O'Connell and there are also guys like Howard , Paton , Crouch , Webster and Battle that are all off contract.

Why would we have taken an Irish Rookie a few months ago, and now be considering delisting him?
( and it only opens up a very limited spot ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We really need Van Es and Keeler to come on, so we can make decisions regarding the likes of Gilbert, Cordy, even Hayes and Sharman.
Unfortunately it will be next year before much happens with them.