List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Ald Gardiner]

For the last three seasons I have been saying we need to rebuild our midfield. Nothing has changed in there. We have added no players who have pace and agility who tackle well and carry the footy.

It's like we are in denial about the game changing since the new rules. There have been a number of sides who have embraced the change, Collingwood were the first. Now there are a heap more who have rocketed past us.

We still have a big heavy slow and immobile midfield and carry the old fashioned game style that comes with it. We are obsolete in our structure and our game style.

We got absolutely torched for pace in the first half of this game and I hope this is massively stamped on the foreheads of the coaching group and the list management group.

We have a boatload of slow midfielders. We need to be trying to trade some of them off the list to bring in what we need in there. Kennedy, Cripps, Hewett and Cerra don't have any agility, pace or an outside game. So start trading!

Our defence isn't quick enough. Saad is but the rebound from the others is not that flash. We are ok but nothing great.

Our forward line is a rabble. There are no players there who are genuine forwards. That's why or forwards are always out of position and we bomb because we aren't setup. Out small and medium forwards aren't good enough at ground level or overhead. Our forwards line is full of failed midfielders and half forwards and that doesn't work. Forward craft is a unique skillsets and that hasn't been identified at Carlton well enough.

We need to trade aggressively. Offload the slow midfielders and do what we can to bring in some pace and agility in there or we are going to be a team of witches hats for every sides who has embraced the modern game and added pace and agility to their onball group.

We need to bring in some genuine forwards. Half forward flank is a specialist position. We don't have any specialist half forwards on the list apart from maybe Moir and Martin.

We need to be lucky and aggressive at the trade table. Clean out the slow and bring in some quick mobile players. Embrace the modern game.

Would trade out Kennedy and Carroll while they still have currency. Yeah love Matty K as much as anyone. They aren’t what we need in our midfield. Lord, Wilson ready to step up for them next year. We could get those quicker mids we need with astute trading.

 

[M_I_G]

Would trade out Kennedy and Carroll while they still have currency. Yeah love Matty K as much as anyone. They aren’t what we need in our midfield. Lord, Wilson ready to step up for them next year. We could get those quicker mids we need with astute trading.

Trouble is neither has much currency

Well known psychological phenomenon to over value what you have/own vs what it’s truly worth
Kennedy worth less than Carroll probably given age and Carroll wouldn’t be worth much to start with..

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Sure…

Motlop, Durdin, Orazio, Owies, Williams & Fogarty

Fantasia

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Desperately slow through middle of ground - it is frustrating we have continually not addressed this issue.

Voss preaches pressure and contest.
We have the players for the contest part, but not the right players/mix to implement the pressure part!
That’s what needs to be addressed this off season imo

Smith/pickett/ryan/wicks/rosas/konstanty/garcia

There the names I’d be going at

 

[Opium]

Our key issues:

• Lack of pace in defence, Saad the only one who combines pace with skill. Solution Williams moves back to defence.
• Lack of pace through midfield, have to look at replacing one of Kennedy, Cerra or Hewitt, with someone with pace.
• Small and medium forwards are just horrible. Even if they kick goals as high half-forwards they don't win enough possessions
• collective issue is we are too slow, as such despite some individual defensive talent we are an inferior defensive side.

This has been the case for the entire 3 year period under Voss. Outside a freakish run of games where we won almost every close game the team has looked a 7 to 12 side, which isn't acceptable given the headline talent it has.

Time and time again, teams pop up out of the blue, almost always they are loaded with speed. Modern football, speed, skill pressure.

Our only running defender we have is Saad. And he's usually tasked with playing on the opposition's best small forward. Been a massive issue for a long time.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

It’s tough, but we’ve gotta be ruthless this trade period.
IMO we can only keep one of cerra/kennedy/hewitt.
I’d be dangling cerra out there because he gets us the best trade currency out of the 3.

 

[Campoeasy]

It’s tough, but we’ve gotta be ruthless this trade period.
IMO we can only keep one of cerra/kennedy/hewitt.
I’d be dangling cerra out there because he gets us the best trade currency out of the 3.

Cerra definitely gettable for the right price I'm told.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Our only running defender we have is Saad. And he's usually tasked with playing on the opposition's best small forward. Been a massive issue for a long time.

If Boyd gets his body right he can step up. Billy Wilson shows promise too. We have something to at least build on

 

[Accidental genius]

Yes we have some list balance issues to deal with...

but our game plan/styled also needs a fix

watching last nights game showed a huge lack of thought/planning that our coaches put in.

 

[Opium]

I would seriously look at trading in Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

. A midfield or Cripps, Walsh & Smith is much better balanced with TDK in the ruck.
Future first with a second rounder coming back should be enough to get the deal done.

We desperately need more speed in our midfield

 

[Soapy V]

For the last three seasons I have been saying we need to rebuild our midfield. Nothing has changed in there. We have added no players who have pace and agility who tackle well and carry the footy.

It's like we are in denial about the game changing since the new rules. There have been a number of sides who have embraced the change, Collingwood were the first. Now there are a heap more who have rocketed past us.

We still have a big heavy slow and immobile midfield and carry the old fashioned game style that comes with it. We are obsolete in our structure and our game style.

We got absolutely torched for pace in the first half of this game and I hope this is massively stamped on the foreheads of the coaching group and the list management group.

We have a boatload of slow midfielders. We need to be trying to trade some of them off the list to bring in what we need in there. Kennedy, Cripps, Hewett and Cerra don't have any agility, pace or an outside game. So start trading!

Our defence isn't quick enough. Saad is but the rebound from the others is not that flash. We are ok but nothing great.

Our forward line is a rabble. There are no players there who are genuine forwards. That's why or forwards are always out of position and we bomb because we aren't setup. Out small and medium forwards aren't good enough at ground level or overhead. Our forwards line is full of failed midfielders and half forwards and that doesn't work. Forward craft is a unique skillsets and that hasn't been identified at Carlton well enough.

We need to trade aggressively. Offload the slow midfielders and do what we can to bring in some pace and agility in there or we are going to be a team of witches hats for every sides who has embraced the modern game and added pace and agility to their onball group.

We need to bring in some genuine forwards. Half forward flank is a specialist position. We don't have any specialist half forwards on the list apart from maybe Moir and Martin.

We need to be lucky and aggressive at the trade table. Clean out the slow and bring in some quick mobile players. Embrace the modern game.

Agree. However, as I’ve said before we do have options internally if we are smart

Cripps is a Star
Hewett or Kennedy are our grunt
Cerra if fit is a gun
Walsh the same
Elijah has class if he gets fitter

Then we have
Lord who looks very composed and has quick hands
Wilson has real run
Kemp should be tried in the middle
Cincotta Cowan are possibles

Add one or two more quick players and it’s a very good midfield

 

[DangerousD]

That assumes, our recruiters have the ability to pick gems with little draft capital....

I'm not seeing it. And anyhow, without a gameplan thats better than bomb it down the line then bomb it i50, whats it matter

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There’s plenty of draft capital to work with, just hope the LM team is up to it.

 

[Soapy V]

Our only running defender we have is Saad. And he's usually tasked with playing on the opposition's best small forward. Been a massive issue for a long time.

Saad has also struggled since coming back from hammy

 

[macky99]

I would include Lord as one of the midfield main stayers starting next year.

Cripps and Lord make a good combination.

Lord loves getting his hands dirty with the ground balls in dispute....which frees up Cripps to more damage moving the ball away from the heat

Get another pacey power type mid with good kicking skills on the outside.

Lord looks solid but again similar to our other mids big bodied not overly quick.
Voss & recruitment team are going to have to change in this area, otherwise we are stuck in middle group of teams.

 

[Soapy V]

Lord looks solid but again similar to our other mids big bodied not overly quick.
Voss & recruitment team are going to have to change in this area, otherwise we are stuck in middle group of teams.

Lord isn’t slow and is very quick with hands and feet because he is clean. Will make a difference

 

[Hawkboy62]

Would trade out Kennedy and Carroll while they still have currency. Yeah love Matty K as much as anyone. They aren’t what we need in our midfield. Lord, Wilson ready to step up for them next year. We could get those quicker mids we need with astute trading.

As an outsider Matthew Kennedy to North would make a lot of sense. They are still light on quality mids so a big body would help.

 

[DangerousD]

I would seriously look at trading in Bailey Smith. A midfield or Cripps, Walsh & Smith is much better balanced with TDK in the ruck.
Future first with a second rounder coming back should be enough to get the deal done.

We desperately need more speed in our midfield

Why would we get anything back?

 

[BlueTongue]

I would seriously look at trading in Bailey Smith. A midfield or Cripps, Walsh & Smith is much better balanced with TDK in the ruck.
Future first with a second rounder coming back should be enough to get the deal done.

We desperately need more speed in our midfield

I would not be opposed to that, he’s the type of mid we need, but I was told a while back that he’d recently bought a house in the Geelong region, so I think it will be a forgone conclusion where he’ll end up.

 

[Doro]

Agree. However, as I’ve said before we do have options internally if we are smart

Cripps is a Star
Hewett or Kennedy are our grunt
Cerra if fit is a gun
Walsh the same
Elijah has class if he gets fitter

Then we have
Lord who looks very composed and has quick hands
Wilson has real run
Kemp should be tried in the middle
Cincotta Cowan are possibles

Add one or two more quick players and it’s a very good midfield

Wilson has run, but as a lighter body is he likely to get a game? We’ve seen the hesitance with Binns, Wilson will probably get a similar amount of opportunity in the ones.

 

[V_23]

Okay, after sleeping on it, here's where I'm at:

Keep	Delist (ASAP)	Trade
Silvagni	Motlop	Kennedy/Hewett
Cowan	Fantasia	J. Carroll
O. Hollands	C. Durdin	Martin
Cerra	Marchbank
Williams	Cuningham
Kennedy/Hewett	Lemmey
Fogarty	S. Durdin
Cripps	Akuei
McKay
McGovern
De Koning
Acres
Docherty
Kemp
Walsh
E. Hollands
Weitering
Newman
Binns
Pittonet
Curnow
Young
Wilson
Lord
Boyd
Cincotta
Saad
Moir
Owies
Cottrell

Don't know enough about M. Carroll, Monahan, O'Keefe, or Mirkov to make a call on them.

 

[macky99]

Lord isn’t slow and is very quick with hands and feet because he is clean. Will make a difference

l don't see that he is quick, we need genuine line breaking speed with good skills.

 

[Soapy V]

Wilson has run, but as a lighter body is he likely to get a game? We’ve seen the hesitance with Binns, Wilson will probably get a similar amount of opportunity in the ones.

Binns showed he can handle it. Wilson can as well. Lighter bodies is BS. The question is will Voss trust them

 

[Soapy V]

l don't see that he is quick, we need genuine line breaking speed with good skills.

On the outside. Not in the middle. Look at the midfields of Geelong GWS & Hawks. It’s not leg speed, it’s game style. Run, taking game on and numbers

 

[Doro]

Binns showed he can handle it. Wilson can as well. Lighter bodies is BS. The question is will Voss trust them

Yes, happy to back them in from our position. That doesn’t mean they’ll get penciled in at MC meetings though.

 

[juzza316]

Why would we get anything back?

the stupidly one sided trade hypotheticals are already starting