List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[go_the_dockers]

Looking at our list Jackson, Young, Serong, Brayshaw, Cox and Darcy are all between 21, 10 months and 25 and 4 months.
Erasmus, Johnson, Amiss are 19 to 20.

That is 9 good to verry very good players in 6 years.


Now while I would like one or two more very good players in this group, I think we need to add 2 or 3 more and chase a flag using this core.

I am happy to get one or two older players, especially if they can improve our midfield or forward line.




Looking at the list of WA players, there is several wingers and mids, but not many small forwards. We should be looking to draft these.

4 1st round picks the next two years, lots of salary cap space, so let's use them so we can hit finals 2025 and for 3 or 4 years straight.

Players Off Contract 2024 – By State

A complete list of AFL players off contract in 2024 by junior state.

www.zerohanger.com

Cam Zurhaar (Free agent)
Nic Martin
Logan McDonald
Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

(UFA) - would probably avoid, unless he was 100% committed

Players Off Contract 2025 – By State

A complete list of AFL players off contract in 2025 by junior state.

www.zerohanger.com

Callum Ah Chee

4

Callum Ah Chee

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

- handy forward flank\mid
Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

Will Powell
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (South Australia but some WA connections and I love his run and carry). FYI - we should be able to get him for a future 2nd rounder

Players Off Contract 2026 – By State

A complete list of AFL players off contract in 2026 by junior state.

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Ed Allan is the key target

 

[wakojako]

I just find it hard to believe that as a pro athlete he's not already doing that. It's bare minimum. I've seen people comment on photos of Darcy taken literal days apart and one person will say that he's slimmed down, while another will say that he's come back in awful shape. Without player weights it's honestly a guessing game. McGovern still gets the "fatty" tag and he looks gaunt in person.

Can gaurantee that even if Darcy does reach peak shape he will not look much different to now.

Look we know he is one of your faves but no one should be defending him at this stage.

He is one of the highest paid players at our club. We traded out Meek and parked Jako in the forwardline to give Darcy the ruck mantle. The club has sacrificed a lot of time and resources to give Darcy success. He has only played 12 games this season and 15 games last season. His unavailability is killing us and could cost us finals this season.

The best way to reduce injury is to reduce weight. Weight loss is literally 80% dieting 20% exercise, this is backed up by science. It is time he repays back the clubs faith and puts in the hard work.

 

[fnerd]

I just find it hard to believe that as a pro athlete he's not already doing that. It's bare minimum. I've seen people comment on photos of Darcy taken literal days apart and one person will say that he's slimmed down, while another will say that he's come back in awful shape. Without player weights it's honestly a guessing game. McGovern still gets the "fatty" tag and he looks gaunt in person.

Does Darcy need to lose weight and get fitter? Sure. But it's a hell of a lot easier said than done after recurrent injuries. I just don't believe that he's not already doing everything in his power to acheive that, and I find it hard to believe that the club would just be standing my taking no action if he was that unprofessional.

https://archive.md/2024.06.07-112819/https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-ruckman-sean-darcy-reveals-the-changes-to-his-diet-which-are-giving-him-a-new-lease-of-life-c-14942169

Says part of his diet changes (note it’s on the pre season only just gone included giving up the beers…

Umm yea he’s only just giving them up (doesn’t actually say all together or just during season too) but for someone who’s body weight is and always has been clear issue only just now giving up the grog into what was his 8th preseason doesn’t exactly scream to me someone who’s doing “all they can”

Also the boldness probably the biggest misnomer in footy and I can’t believe people still dont realise it-

The club can provide all the resources in the world for its players but at the end of the day it’s up to the players themselves how much (or little) they take on board from it

 

[s_wd6]

https://archive.md/2024.06.07-112819/https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-ruckman-sean-darcy-reveals-the-changes-to-his-diet-which-are-giving-him-a-new-lease-of-life-c-14942169

Says part of his diet changes (note it’s on the pre season only just gone included giving up the beers…

Umm yea he’s only just giving them up (doesn’t actually say all together or just during season too) but for someone who’s body weight is and always has been clear issue only just now giving up the grog into what was his 8th preseason doesn’t exactly scream to me someone who’s doing “all they can”

Also the boldness probably the biggest misnomer in footy and I can’t believe people still dont realise it-

The club can provide all the resources in the world for its players but at the end of the day it’s up to the players themselves how much (or little) they take on board from it

Do they not include these things in contract clauses though? Like if you're signing someone with weight issues and knee issues on a long term deal can you not add clauses related to weight/body fat/availability etc?

Reading that article though it seems clear to me that now at least he's taking things seriously re weight loss. Why did it take so long? Probably because his availability wasn't actually an issue until mid last year. And we can't go back in time, so what's the point on dwelling on what he did in the past? All we can hope is that he continues along that path and comes back lighter and fitter.

 

[guidodp15]

Im sure his diet is fine he needs to lay off the piss.

The selection of Taberber today infuriated me. News came in as i walked through the gate and i turned to the bloke next to me. Might as wall Walk out now we aren't winning with Taberenr.

He has stolen a career, there is no way he lasts 10+ years on any other team's list

 

[fnerd]

Do they not include these things in contract clauses though? Like if you're signing someone with weight issues and knee issues on a long term deal can you not add clauses related to weight/body fat/availability etc?

Nah no way not for that lol
Players union would lose their shit haha

Only games played /BnF finishes etc
For bonuses

 

[Purple Suit]

But then again you have blokes like Luke Ryan who are never injured and he's still got a massive gut. So maybe I'm giving the club too much credit for their professionalism standards.

People have different body shapes. Shultz looks like he has a gut too but he’s actually an angel.

 

[mike91]

Im sure his diet is fine he needs to lay off the piss.

The selection of Taberber today infuriated me. News came in as i walked through the gate and i turned to the bloke next to me. Might as wall Walk out now we aren't winning with Taberenr.

He has stolen a career, there is no way he lasts 10+ years on any other team's list

Harsh. You should be frustrated at JL, not the guy who got the call a couple minutes before the game

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[s_wd6]

People have different body shapes. Shultz looks like he has a gut too but he’s actually an angel.

Schultz is another one who clearly didn't put any time into his weight and figure. He looks fat. As with Ryan, people don't care about the professionalism side of things. They just care if they're available to play.

 

[Taylor]

But then again you have blokes like Luke Ryan who are never injured and he's still got a massive gut. So maybe I'm giving the club too much credit for their professionalism standards.

Luke Ryan seems to perpetually have a back issue though.

 

[Taylor]

Darcy was on the ground warming up with the team an hour before the match, working in the centre square with the coaches moving the ball back and forth.

 

[s_wd6]

Luke Ryan seems to perpetually have a back issue though.

Yup, so he should be losing weight. After all, it's mostly diet hey?

No one has a problem with him because he plays through his back injuries, but what use is it when he's playing like complete dog shit.

 

[apuchar]

Yup, so he should be losing weight. After all, it's mostly diet hey?

No one has a problem with him because he plays through his back injuries, but what use is it when he's playing like complete dog shit.

A lot of people have a problem with Ryan. Why the backline coach keeps giving him a legit defensive role is beyond me. He is one of the most useless defenders i have ever seen. Intercepting, is a different story.
I hope we are in the market for better coaches. Seriously..

 

[s_wd6]

A lot of people have a problem with Ryan. Why the backline coach keeps giving him a legit defensive role is beyond me. He is one of the most useless defenders i have ever seen. Intercepting, is a different story.
I hope we are in the market for better coaches. Seriously..

I mean we've never had discussions on here about him being overweight or unfit. He's been useless the back half of the year. Can't believe he won an AA playing as a KPD because he looks useless at that now.

 

[doppo]

It’s definitely a contentious topic, and incredibly hard to discuss on forums like this without venturing into “8% or GTFO” territory - but being lean and athletic is without doubt a diet thing.

Darcy might indeed show up to every session early, not skimp on cardio, and be the consummate professional in his ruck craft and even get 90% of nutrition right - but you just don’t present the way he does if you’re on top of what you put into your body.

 

[apuchar]

I mean we've never had discussions on here about him being overweight or unfit. He's been useless the back half of the year. Can't believe he won an AA playing as a KPD because he looks useless at that now.

Surprising isn't it. Not sure if limited training is part of the cause but it still doesn't excuse the coach repeatedly giving him that role when he is clearly useless at it now. Don't really think Ryan's playing weight is in the same league as Darcy. Also Schultz is a lot more unfit looking now then when he eas with us and it does seem to be affecting his play to some degree. Or it just might be that he is a bit player in there forward line.

 

[MadMundy]

Sure, Darcy can play well even if he has a little bit of puppy fat on him, he's done just that, But surely there's gotta be some thought about what he could be if he actually put in the effort to drop it?

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Try to stay in shape when you can't get on your feet. Fyfe was a ****ing stick when he came into the club. Darcy was already big. Surprise surprise, different people are built differently.

Sorry but I call bullshit. He is a highly paid professional athlete and not being able to run doesn't affect what you put in your mouth. When you can't run you need to pay even more attention to your diet than you normally would because you need less calories when you're inactive. The man just needs to start taking his profession more seriously. He's one of the highest paid players at the club and a leader ffs.

Same applies to the 'bad genetics' excuse. You don't just say oh well it's not my fault. It means you have to pay it even more attention and absolutely be on point with your diet etc.

Again. I rate him highly. But he's taking the piss...

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Having thought about it JL has to go. Like I said in the autopsy thread I think everyone is just too comfortable at the club and no one is really pushing these guys to chase excellence. Need a new voice to come in and really drive higher standards and push these guys to get the best out of themselves. Some guys have really gone up a level like Treacy and Young. But a lot of the younger guys have stagnated.

 

[Joao]

Just spitballing because I don't actually know but I get we got JoM for experience and standards etc, did it ever occur to the club that getting someone who'd spent a decade losing wasn't the best example? I know it's not JoM fault, but he's played in largely trash teams and has no idea how to win.

We'd have been better off chasing some ex Tigers or even Cats. Guys that have been there (however small their contribution) and done it.

Has he received an extension in recent times?

Beveridge the dumb campaigner said it on gettable last week and was reported in the works on the AFL site.

 

[JammoMonty]

Do they not include these things in contract clauses though? Like if you're signing someone with weight issues and knee issues on a long term deal can you not add clauses related to weight/body fat/availability etc?

Reading that article though it seems clear to me that now at least he's taking things seriously re weight loss. Why did it take so long? Probably because his availability wasn't actually an issue until mid last year. And we can't go back in time, so what's the point on dwelling on what he did in the past? All we can hope is that he continues along that path and comes back lighter and fitter.

Darcy is adding calories by knocking back the now instead so he hasn’t really achieved anything. He needs to go away in the off season and shed some weight if he wants to have some longevity in this game.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Darcy is adding calories by knocking back the now instead so he hasn’t really achieved anything. He needs to go away in the off season and shed some weight if he wants to have some longevity in this game.

Darcy's fat ass needs to loose 10kg. He will still have the strength if he trains properly

Now a liability to the team, incredibly unreliable and his knees won't last 6 more years in the AFL


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[purplerunsdeep2]

A lot of people have a problem with Ryan. Why the backline coach keeps giving him a legit defensive role is beyond me. He is one of the most useless defenders i have ever seen. Intercepting, is a different story.
I hope we are in the market for better coaches. Seriously..

Agree

Absolute stat padder. Takes the kick outs and simply kicks it to his mate. Hes looking unfit, likely tied to some sort of back injury he's always got


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[freo1997]

Feel like Warner won’t come.

Bolton and Baker would and Richmond needs the picks. What are we giving for these two?

 

[Taylor]

It looked, without too closely watching since I was on the spin bike for the game, that Sydney were playing Warner on the wing and away from the bounce more until that last quarter. As though they were getting used to not having him