List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Midnite65]

There are question marks over the following players:
Stanley (W), Worner (W/HBF), Kuek (KPF), Voss (KPF)

Surely we persist with Voss, he is only 20 years old and a couple of years behind Treacey in terms of game exposure so we are going to have to be patient.

 

[FreoRicci]

Cox should never of played rd 1.. that’s Jlo rushing back one of his faves.

One of the many bonehead selection decisions.

Only for him to play forward… because Fatty Darcy wasn’t fit by that point either.

Should’ve just played Reidy…. Or Tabs for a few games.

 

[FreoRicci]

Surely we persist with Voss, he is only 20 years old and a couple of years behind Treacey in terms of game exposure so we are going to have to be patient.

Kicked two on the weekend. He’s involved in a lot of contests. 100% want him for 2-3 years.

 

[blue shark]

We don’t need any more KPD. We suffered serious LT injuries to two (note two) KPD in round 1. Blooded Draper (who will be better for the run with another PS), gave Davies a taste and also have Ollie Murphy developing.

It very rare that a team suffers two LT injuries in 1 game and round 1 for that matter. With Josh having played 19 games or whatever he will likely slot back to Peel with no injuries and be next in line along with McDonald. McDonald is back and was listed as our fourth best player on Sat in terrible big ugly ground conditions.

My point is like you say we have suffered 3 injuries to KPD (which is decently rare) and still managed to perform.

At the other end of the ground we lose Josh Treacy and our forward line and teams chances go to poop. Walters is pretty much cooked and we have inconsistent mid forwards.

Draft/trade needs:
Quality small forward, quality medium forward and speedy outside mid that can play wing and/or half back. A developing KPF is more needed than KPD especially if we cut all of Tabs, Corbett and Kuek.

Some possibility that Banfield or Sturt aren’t with us in 2024. Really hope Sturt stays on. But we need a quality mid forward either way. In the mould of Oliver Henry.

There are question marks over the following players:
Stanley (W), Worner (W/HBF), Kuek (KPF), Voss (KPF)

This argument could be put to bed if the coaching group had shown some faith
in some of the guys playing well at Peel. That and manufacturing roles to help
the team overall.
Reidy was the obvious choice if Darcy is so important to winning games, instead
They rushed him back every time.
Pearce coming back is purely inexperience too, should never of happened.
Davies proved himself up to the job, needed a rest, similar to Draper but yet
again they would rather play Cox who is underdone and is not a true FB.
Then you have a forward line with no defensive capabilities and the ball comes
out on rebound or turnovers too many times.
The players that debuted this year, all of them showed something even if it was as
the sub.
I’d be more worried about the coaching issues, inexperienced, conservative thinking and no faith in the total list to play a role, development.
Tackling and pressure are major KPI’s if you want to win finals, that means
encouraging aggressive traits and physicality.
Besides Treacy, Voss, Emmett, McDonald, the rest are either too lean or overweight.
We have most of the answers on the list, guidance, encouragement is what’s lacking.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Trade Cox to Adelaide in a deal that will assist in bringing Curtain to Freo.

Yes I am being reactive based on the weekends game. I’m just still in complete shock in how bad his performance was.

No preseason.
Not playing his best role
Hamstring obviously causing him issues. I am not sure he should have played, Davies was the better choice

 

[Stevooo3940]

He’s 10x the player compared to the level Cox played at yesterday which was below WAFL standard. He never got out of 2nd gear and jogged around. He allowed uncontested marks inside our defensive 50 after 50m kicks that hung in the air.

This is Cox every week. He hates a 1 on 1. He's as soft as they come. Great intercept marker but when he is forced to defend then he is a liability. He also refuses to go back with the flight. If he gets under the footy he quits immediately. He has shown this so many times over his career. In saying all that, when Pearce plays and he can play loose, he's great! A lot to work on in the offseason.

 

[rgauci]

This is Cox every week. He hates a 1 on 1. He's as soft as they come. Great intercept marker but when he is forced to defend then he is a liability. He also refuses to go back with the flight. If he gets under the footy he quits immediately. He has shown this so many times over his career. In saying all that, when Pearce plays and he can play loose, he's great! A lot to work on in the offseason.

I disliked Cox but was made to eat my words when he intercepted everything a few times in the last 24 months. Cox back shoulder is one of the worst defenders in the afl. Cox playing loose unfit, against a running team like GWS, catastrophic.

Ryan and Cox is the same backline, against a running team, cause for concern long term.

Especially as Pearce likes to play in front of his key forward and often pushes forward hard.

If Draper progresses like we’d expect next pre-season. Not to mention if we get Isaac Cummings who’s apparently on our radar.

There’s a world where Cox might not be best 22.

Mind you fit and firing he is, big preseason needed for him.

 

[nurries]

I disliked Cox but was made to eat my words when he intercepted everything a few times in the last 24 months. Cox back shoulder is one of the worst defenders in the afl. Cox playing loose unfit, against a running team like GWS, catastrophic.

Ryan and Cox is the same backline, against a running team, cause for concern long term.

Especially as Pearce likes to play in front of his key forward and often pushes forward hard.

If Draper progresses like we’d expect next pre-season. Not to mention if we get Isaac Cummings who’s apparently on our radar.

There’s a world where Cox might not be best 22.

Mind you fit and firing he is, big preseason needed for him.

I would like to see Draper in with Pearce and drop Cox to the 2’s

 

[malpaso]

Geez an injured season by Cox (busting his butt to get back out there) and you all are at his throat. The man is a rock next to Pearce and Ryan when they play together. The real issue for me is how we let a small forward run amok when we apparently have enough players to match up on him.

The issue is we need to have a replacement for PEARCE. An actual capable lockdown FB, the next closest is MacDonald so to me that says go find one (and it isn't Murphy).

 

[mayne iac]

Sign Sturt then think about everything else.

 

[Dockeroo]

Lots of people blaming that fact that out structural talls were all missing.

As if it will never happen again.

I’ll give you Treacy - he’s been generally resilient and non injury prone.

But Pearce and Darcy are unavailable through injury on a very frequent basis. They are two of our most injury prone players and the stats over the last few years back that up. It’s not remotely surprising they were not available when we needed them most.

Will the club get a pass again next year if Darcy or Pearce are unavailable at the pointy end of the season? Let’s be honest it’s a very realistic possibility.

 

[Taylor]

We are vulnerable in losing three of our talls because our cover combined for maybe twenty games experience between the three of them.

We will be better next season in the same situation, as long as Luke Jackson

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continues to develop.

The best thing that could happen during preseason is Voss takes a big step forward on marking and demands his spot in the side next to Amiss and Treacy.

If Voss and Treacy are taking big marks we are already half way to finals.

 

[Freoforever86]

I’ve liked having Draper exposed this season. He’s shown plenty and has plenty to work on. He has potential to be a top line defender.

There is literally no need for another KPD.

Completely agree. Pearce and cox are fragile. Having another ready, and a young kid, is prefect. Draper could play chapmans role if they ended up moving to the wing too.

 

[blue shark]

We are vulnerable in losing three of our talls because our cover combined for maybe twenty games experience between the three of them.

We will be better next season in the same situation, as long as Luke Jackson continues to develop.

The best thing that could happen during preseason is Voss takes a big step forward on marking and demands his spot in the side next to Amiss and Treacy.

If Voss and Treacy are taking big marks we are already half way to finals.

I’d put Knobel in there too. A few AFL games next year would be ideal.
Knobel is a true forward/ruck that skill set is a game changer.

 

[malpaso]

We are vulnerable in losing three of our talls because our cover combined for maybe twenty games experience between the three of them.

We will be better next season in the same situation, as long as Luke Jackson continues to develop.

The best thing that could happen during preseason is Voss takes a big step forward on marking and demands his spot in the side next to Amiss and Treacy.

If Voss and Treacy are taking big marks we are already half way to finals.

Best thing about Voss is his aggression, him and Treacy have the same demeanour. As you said, hopefully Voss catches up in the marking and kicking dept.

 

[go_the_dockers]

We are vulnerable in losing three of our talls because our cover combined for maybe twenty games experience between the three of them.

We will be better next season in the same situation, as long as Luke Jackson continues to develop.

The best thing that could happen during preseason is Voss takes a big step forward on marking and demands his spot in the side next to Amiss and Treacy.

If Voss and Treacy are taking big marks we are already half way to finals.

We need 2 small forwards kicking 20 to 30 goals each, and providing pressure.

Winder and Richards would be brilliant

1 or 2 outside mids, who can hit a player on a lead and run all day.

Would be very handy late in game to have a player who has a massive tank. It would also help our forwards.

 

[Docker82]

We need 2 small forwards kicking 20 to 30 goals each, and providing pressure.

Winder and Richards would be brilliant

1 or 2 outside mids, who can hit a player on a lead and run all day.

Would be very handy late in game to have a player who has a massive tank. It would also help our forwards.

Hmmm we've pretty much got that with Frederick and Sturt tbh.

We need both a genuine crumber rather than a medium forward and a HFF that can hit the scoreboard. That and I think we need a non-tall getting to 40+

 

[dont bowl there]

We need 2 small forwards kicking 20 to 30 goals each, and providing pressure.

Winder and Richards would be brilliant

1 or 2 outside mids, who can hit a player on a lead and run all day.

Would be very handy late in game to have a player who has a massive tank. It would also help our forwards.

When would they be brilliant? What season are you hoping that they are 20-30 goal a year small forwards?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Hmmm we've pretty much got that with Frederick and Sturt tbh.

We need both a genuine crumber rather than a medium forward and a HFF that can hit the scoreboard. That and I think we need a non-tall getting to 40+

Agree to disagree

I don't think we have a genuine crumber in our side.

We have missed Schultz this year.

 

[Taylor]

Sturt can kick forty in a season if he can play all year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

When would they be brilliant? What season are you hoping that they are 20-30 goal a year small forwards?

A top 10 pick should kick 20 goals in 2nd year, 30 on 3rd e.g. Rachelle

I think Berry could do that.

 

[dont bowl there]

A top 10 pick should kick 20 goals in 2nd year, 30 on 3rd e.g. Rachelle

I think Berry could do that.

Cool, so in 2026 he MIGHT be kicking enough goals to help the side.

 

[Docker82]

Agree to disagree

I don't think we have a genuine crumber in our side.

We have missed Schultz this year.

I think you'll find I said we need a crumber.

Not sure amount of goals from the forward line as a group is that much of a concern if we find that missing piece.

I wouldn't be against adding someone who pressures like Schultz to the side of we can't find a gun small. Watching Switta and Frederick (who can't stick a tackle btw) chase and no one else is alarming. Reckon it adds one to two goals a game.

 

[Superkoops]

Surely we persist with Voss, he is only 20 years old and a couple of years behind Treacey in terms of game exposure so we are going to have to be patient.

My comment Question mark is more around whether they will make the grade. Also add Delean to that list. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be retained just a question mark on whether he will become a solid/good AFL key forward. He should absolutely be persisted with.

He has come into the club and developed reasonably well off an unusual pre-season. His games at AFL whilst trying hard have shown he is a long way off it at the moment.

 

[MadMundy]

Banfield's days are numbered in my opinion, has been far too costly to the side over the last month or so, you can't forgive so many screw ups in such a short time period.