List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Joao]

Just like the fluff that Switta was elite

Elite at kicking 35m max
Elite at kicking when running into goal and looking for someone and fluffing it


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[apuchar]

No one at Carlton gets underpaid lol.

He took ridiculous unders in legal money

If Switta wants out and Sturt is on the fence, I would trade Switta and give the money to Sturt. I am a little concerned about his knee but you can't control these things.

Depends on what they know about his knee

 

[JammoMonty]

Sturt hurts way worse than Logue because he's basically the only AFL quality medium forward we have on the list.

Logue was a

 

[arsesmart]

And like Logue, he hadn't shown enough in terms of fitness/availability and form to warrant an extension yet.

Again, second half of last year was very average if you take out a two week block (which included the eagles demolition). A one year extension was appropriate then. He deserves a multi year after his form this year, but if a cashed up club comes swooping in then he'd be stupid not to take it given his knee issues.

He was actually pretty good in the second half of last year. But there probably wasn't enough to go on for a longer extension, given his injury history.

 

[Cobbler]

Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.

 

[Taylor]

Last year Sturt wasn't extended, he triggered an extension with games played.

 

[s_wd6]

Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.

Nah. Unless they're paying the majority of his Salary there is no way we should be giving up 3 firsts for Bolton, no matter what we get in return.

 

[Cobbler]

Nah. Unless they're paying the majority of his Salary there is no way we should be giving up 3 firsts for Bolton, no matter what we get in return.

One of the firsts is a 3 spot downgrade.

Arguably, it’s 9 and 10 for Bolton and their future 2nd, likely a pick around ~25

 

[s_wd6]

One of the firsts is a 3 spot downgrade.

Arguably, it’s 9 and 10 for Bolton and their future 2nd, likely a pick around ~25

More than 3 spots when you factor in all the bids before it. 9 and 10 is more than enough for Bolton.

 

[Cobbler]

More than 3 spots when you factor in all the bids before it. 9 and 10 is more than enough for Bolton.

It’s our pick 17 for GC pick 20.

How many bids are going to fall between 17 and 20?

 

[s_wd6]

It’s our pick 17 for GC pick 20.

How many bids are going to fall between 17 and 20?

One too many.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.

Look assuming that Gold Coast will operate with anything resembling logic is a fatal error, but surely for them they should be trying to hang onto pick 6, coz that's basically perfect to pick someone ahead of a Lombard matched bid.

Use whatever's remaining + potential Lukosius trade capital to get Rioli in, get rubbish picks to match Lombard, and then trade any excess capital into 2025.

 

[Cobbler]

Look assuming that Gold Coast will operate with anything resembling logic is a fatal error, but surely for them they should be trying to hang onto pick 6, coz that's basically perfect to pick someone ahead of a Lombard matched bid.

Use whatever's remaining + potential Lukosius trade capital to get Rioli in, get rubbish picks to match Lombard, and then trade any excess capital into 2025.

Agree with them keeping 6. You’d think 13 is about right for Rioli.

Use 6 on best available. Build points after pick 20.

That’s the obvious play. We have pretty obvious play too with 9 and 17 being on play for Bolton and change.

The trade hypothetical was based on Richmond demanding 6,9 and 10.

 

[GingerDocker]

I have no inside knowledge, but I guy I know very well has been saying Switta and Sturt have been on the way out for about three months now. He has had some good inside info in the past but also some garbage.

Whatever that’s worth.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

It’s our pick 17 for GC pick 20.

How many bids are going to fall between 17 and 20?

How many free agents could there be worth end of first round pick compensation?

 

[Dockernut]

Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

Out of contract compared to contracted for multiple years.

 

[Dayts]

Hope that port pick comes in a lot. 9&14, keeping 10 seems reasonable

 

[Dockernut]

Hope that port pick comes in a lot. 9&14, keeping 10 seems reasonable

Yeah I’ll be glad to see them choke hard after denying us finals.

 

[Wee Jessies]

I have no inside knowledge, but I guy I know very well has been saying Switta and Sturt have been on the way out for about three months now. He has had some good inside info in the past but also some garbage.

Whatever that’s worth.

Pav said something strange when Acres left about top 15 or no loss.

I get the sense Freo have a strategy that if you are considered top 15 we pay good coin and if you are outside then there is a sharp drop in pay and if someone pays you more good luck.

 

[Wee Jessies]

Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.

I would love to try and keep a pick in top 15 to try and get a bit of that high end quality to complete our list. Doesn’t seem like we will have many spots to fill so picks in 20s don’t seem that interesting. Wouldn’t want to trade out our first next year seems to mess with teams karma.

Seems like Brisbane and GC could be interested in trading out of later first round as they would likely lose matching bids anyway.

 

[FreoRicci]

Pav said something strange when Acres left about top 15 or no loss.

I get the sense Freo have a strategy that if you are considered top 15 we pay good coin and if you are outside then there is a sharp drop in pay and if someone pays you more good luck.

**** that.
We need to improve the bottom 5-8 players. Can’t just hoping for some cute trades in JOM and Sharp to replace Acres, Meek, Logie, Mundy. That means going 2 steps back before 1 step forward

We dont value Brodie, Sturt, Erasmus or Switta ? But value JOM for 4 years? That’s rotten.

 

[Wee Jessies]

**** that.
We need to improve the bottom 5-8 players. Can’t just hoping for some cute trades in JOM and Sharp to replace Acres etc.

We dont value Brodie, Sturt, Erasmus or Switta ? But value JOM for 4 years? That’s rotten.

Only with Hawthorn paying quite large coin though. He could be on low money.

 

[mightymouse75]

Yeah I’ll be glad to see them choke hard after denying us finals.

We denied ourselves. We have doing it for a month now

 

[mightymouse75]

Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

He is not.
I believe Richmond might have realized how bad his contract has been for them.
Getting him out will be a huge bonus for them.