List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

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Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.
 
Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.
Nah. Unless they're paying the majority of his Salary there is no way we should be giving up 3 firsts for Bolton, no matter what we get in return.
 

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One of the firsts is a 3 spot downgrade.

Arguably, it’s 9 and 10 for Bolton and their future 2nd, likely a pick around ~25
More than 3 spots when you factor in all the bids before it. 9 and 10 is more than enough for Bolton.
 
Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.
Look assuming that Gold Coast will operate with anything resembling logic is a fatal error, but surely for them they should be trying to hang onto pick 6, coz that's basically perfect to pick someone ahead of a Lombard matched bid.

Use whatever's remaining + potential Lukosius trade capital to get Rioli in, get rubbish picks to match Lombard, and then trade any excess capital into 2025.
 
Look assuming that Gold Coast will operate with anything resembling logic is a fatal error, but surely for them they should be trying to hang onto pick 6, coz that's basically perfect to pick someone ahead of a Lombard matched bid.

Use whatever's remaining + potential Lukosius trade capital to get Rioli in, get rubbish picks to match Lombard, and then trade any excess capital into 2025.

Agree with them keeping 6. You’d think 13 is about right for Rioli.

Use 6 on best available. Build points after pick 20.

That’s the obvious play. We have pretty obvious play too with 9 and 17 being on play for Bolton and change.

The trade hypothetical was based on Richmond demanding 6,9 and 10.
 
I have no inside knowledge, but I guy I know very well has been saying Switta and Sturt have been on the way out for about three months now. He has had some good inside info in the past but also some garbage.

Whatever that’s worth.
 
Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?
 
Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?
Out of contract compared to contracted for multiple years.
 

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I have no inside knowledge, but I guy I know very well has been saying Switta and Sturt have been on the way out for about three months now. He has had some good inside info in the past but also some garbage.

Whatever that’s worth.
Pav said something strange when Acres left about top 15 or no loss.

I get the sense Freo have a strategy that if you are considered top 15 we pay good coin and if you are outside then there is a sharp drop in pay and if someone pays you more good luck.
 
Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.
I would love to try and keep a pick in top 15 to try and get a bit of that high end quality to complete our list. Doesn’t seem like we will have many spots to fill so picks in 20s don’t seem that interesting. Wouldn’t want to trade out our first next year seems to mess with teams karma.

Seems like Brisbane and GC could be interested in trading out of later first round as they would likely lose matching bids anyway.
 
Pav said something strange when Acres left about top 15 or no loss.

I get the sense Freo have a strategy that if you are considered top 15 we pay good coin and if you are outside then there is a sharp drop in pay and if someone pays you more good luck.
**** that.
We need to improve the bottom 5-8 players. Can’t just hoping for some cute trades in JOM and Sharp to replace Acres, Meek, Logie, Mundy. That means going 2 steps back before 1 step forward

We dont value Brodie, Sturt, Erasmus or Switta ? But value JOM for 4 years? That’s rotten.
 
**** that.
We need to improve the bottom 5-8 players. Can’t just hoping for some cute trades in JOM and Sharp to replace Acres etc.

We dont value Brodie, Sturt, Erasmus or Switta ? But value JOM for 4 years? That’s rotten.
Only with Hawthorn paying quite large coin though. He could be on low money.
 
Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?
He is not.
I believe Richmond might have realized how bad his contract has been for them.
Getting him out will be a huge bonus for them.
 
The thing is, (and I need to do a post up on the DTFA board), a lot of people are simply passing on information they get.

That info can be distorted through someone else's perception, or hopes.

Information can also change hourly, let alone weekly, as clubs and players pivot. So info that was right yesterday, can look silly tomorrow.

We just need to give people the benefit of the doubt, it's not often that people troll for the sake of it. (and those that do get found out pretty quickly).

Treat them with grace, take it with a grain of salt, and more people may be inclined to share the hints and tips they receive.
Informatiin from who? It certainly wouldn't be from people close to the club.
Rumour and innuendo are not information.
But, I guess it floats some boats.
 
Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

He’s very good, right age, right position of need, and he’s a local who’s dad played for Freo and Peel. And he wants to come here.
We will pay overs if we have to.


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Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?
Cerra trade was reasonable at the time maybe a second round pick as well. Looks very vanilla now though especially compared to top shelf Bolton. Question is can Bolton reach those heights again.
 
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