i guess when your options to add in some chase and pressure come down to tom emmett and banfield and some first year players, youd probably be a bit hesitant to change things up in a forward line that was mostly kicking
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from the back half? i think 90% of teams atm score from turnovers in the forward half. if youre only getting turnovers in your defensive half, youre probably already pressed up into the 50 with the oppo having spares behind the ball, not exactly an efficient way to generate scores
That is 100% true, but given we are looking at Martin to add to the team I don't think he really cares.
Who was he meant to bring in? he can only work with what he has on list
Yes he is however we are complaining about touching the ball and laying tackles in Freddy's game ie. get more involved. Garcia getting more disposals and more tackles provides more opportunity for goals by himself or others.
Because we were doing it prior to this season much better. The decline in Walters game hasn't helped. There is nobody on the list that will improve it.
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We didn't have the players to address it.
Who could he have played, that would have provided pressure and a goal threat.
Jack Martin isn't going to help that and honeslty nor is Bolton. It seems like a pretty clear plan that he doesn't prioritise forward half pressure.
Well it doesn't seem to be a priority given the names we are linked to.
Have you watched Garcia play? He doesn't impact scoring, his goals and goal assist numbers were both well below par. He essentially would play the Switta role if he left.
Berry might be best available at ports pick tbh
IF Martin gets on the park with any regularity he has shown he can impact both with turnovers and transition. It's just a massive massive if.
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I don't mind a throw at the stumps with Jack Martin. The cost will be very low and the reward if he plays could be great. BUT, if he's the player that JLo is getting to help with forward half pressure then thats a worry. As you said, he's more likely to play under 5 games than over.
fair chance Richmond will have that pick
Maybe that why have been linked with Richards & garcia?
Richards would be OK but he reportedly has a 4 year deal from Port so I highly doubt we match that and Garcia absolutely doesn't help with forward pressure. He's an inside mid playing HHF in the AFL, he gets his tackles from being an extra number at the contest not from harassing the ground ball inside 50s.
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Yeah, this is my great frustration.
We have interviewed Berry a lot, so I can hope we get him.
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This matches my thoughts 100%
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Martins pressure is very good when fit. Generally only an offensive threat when he's in and out of the team with injury but he was awesome defensively in the finals and in the patches he did get extended runs at playing time.
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Gotta love how posters who are all too happy to rag on other posters for “projecting” their views of different scenarios about jlo and the club in a negative light about what they did/didn’t do aka freo1997 etc on coaches playing injured players*
but then in the very next criticism “our team doesn’t value pressure “ they immediately project themselves - “oh nahhhhh that’s not true ,hE jUSt dOnT HaV dA pLAyeRs”
So your telling me despite the stats (basically the evidence) all year showing our pressure was sub par and nearly always below 180 and then in the final 3 weeks of our season on the line ,spot in the finals whilst our opponents regularly ran up ratings of 220+ we continued to hover around the 170 mark topping 200 only fleetingly in very small patches was all due to not having “the” players ??
Umm can some one enlighten me how our players are just so different to every other teams that they’re incapable of pressuring??
cope much?
* also yes medicos get things wrong , a lot more than you think btw ,see petracca as perfect example !… the bloke had to have a life saving operation ffs yet “qualified medicos AND ]Simon Goodwin were fine with him going back out on the field.
Hinkley put clearly concussed players back on the field before too… coaches want to win and medicos have previously said of the pressure they feel under to clear players .
But not our medicos and coach right?.. they’re different to other teams .. just like our players are not suited to pressuring as well I suppose!!?
News flash : People make mistakes , including Jlo!!
but then in the very next criticism “our team doesn’t value pressure “ they immediately project themselves - “oh nahhhhh that’s not true ,hE jUSt dOnT HaV dA pLAyeRs”
So your telling me despite the stats (basically the evidence) all year showing our pressure was sub par and nearly always below 180 and then in the final 3 weeks of our season on the line ,spot in the finals whilst our opponents regularly ran up ratings of 220+ we continued to hover around the 170 mark topping 200 only fleetingly in very small patches was all due to not having “the” players ??
Umm can some one enlighten me how our players are just so different to every other teams that they’re incapable of pressuring??
cope much?
* also yes medicos get things wrong , a lot more than you think btw ,see petracca as perfect example !… the bloke had to have a life saving operation ffs yet “qualified medicos AND ]Simon Goodwin were fine with him going back out on the field.
Hinkley put clearly concussed players back on the field before too… coaches want to win and medicos have previously said of the pressure they feel under to clear players .
But not our medicos and coach right?.. they’re different to other teams .. just like our players are not suited to pressuring as well I suppose!!?
News flash : People make mistakes , including Jlo!!
I agree, there are few options who can be brought in to help with forward half pressure.
Surely there is some improvement available by coaching the existing forwards to make chasing and tackling part of their game? Treacy and Switta are reasonable at it.
Players can definitely add strengths to their role within the team. Treacy for instance has greatly improved his marking this season and that has been part of what helped to elevate him into one of the best KPFs in the AFL.
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You could easily argue he has done this with Sturt, and he looks pretty good in the back half of the year.
I will back JL this year, but watch him closely. I also hope we give him a few more players in the forward line to work with, so he has a good chance of succeeding.
Yes I have watched him and he strikes me as exactly what the Cats and Hawks are doing with their 'small forwards' which I would call them forward midfielders. These teams have 3 Swittas in their forward lines.
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