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List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2
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Well I am lumping him in with the mediums as it’s a collective group. I’m not saying Baker replaces Sturt as a medium tall.
Baker would instantly become our greatest magnet swapping player. He instantly provides mongrel and a bit of getting under the skin of the opposition (we clearly lack this). He’s clean, great decision maker, will switch angles.
Anyway, I’ll leave the Baker discussions. I don’t think he’s coming to us and if people don’t view his worth that’s their opinion.
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My belief is that Bolton will make things happen himself, can win games by himself, meanwhile Baker is the sort to turn the good work of his team mates into scoring opportunities - so players like Cox marking the ball and kicking it nearly sideways to Baker will make those marks more valuable and we will see guys like Pearce, Ryan, Cox intercept marking becoming a score launch as opposed to the game of tennis is can be now.
We definitely want Bolton, we should enjoy having Baker.
We definitely want Bolton, we should enjoy having Baker.
Maybe.
4th youngest list and best 22 is young.
Best players with more growth and mostly 26 and under.
Out of the 10 losses we lead at the end of the 3rd Quarter 5 times. Darcy only played in 3 losses.
Out of 5 losses where we lead at three quarter into 2 wins we would be too 5. If one of those wins were against either Port and Cats we are top 4.
We fixed our composure and mindset in the last quarter we are challenging for a flag
Maybe getting in someone that has a heap of finals experience and is known for his clean one touch play would help?
No, I am not. You are not properly comprehending what I said. I literally said he was in the 12th-14th bracket on our list. Meaning there's around 10 players in our best team and 30+ players on our list who I have said he is better than. But it's not that simple, because due to his tiny size there is a limited selection from the best team who he can actually replace to maintain team balance.
I think Baker would be great for us, he makes other players better because he does the hard stuff and makes good decisions. He also has mongrel, something we are sorely lacking.
“Nothing but a complete disaster”: Cornes takes aim at Freo list calls after B&F results
“It is unbelievable.”
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Just Corned having another Rant Sighhhh
Both sides are trying to figure out if it’s a good fit. It makes perfect sense for us to do this, and it should be seen as a positive that any respective players wants to understand what they’re potentially moving into.
You’re allowing personal bias against someone to interfere with logic.
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He’s not a fringe player. He’s a meat and three veg genuine footballer and a particularly campaignery one. That’s good. You need those types who would skin their nan for a win.
But you don’t pay haute cuisine prices for meat and three veg.
I’d like to have him, but I don’t want to overpay or **** our cap for a textbook West Coast supporter.
“Nothing but a complete disaster”: Cornes takes aim at Freo list calls after B&F results
“It is unbelievable.”
Just Corned having another Rant Sighhhh
He went quiet when they did play together and we went well.
Then he just unloads constantly at a time when there’s nothing we can currently do. He really is a knob. Personally, I hate ‘negative’ media posts, but I accept that’s just life.
To continue to make a point when players are injured or it’s an off season just smacks of someone with a massive ego who has to prove he’s right.
Time will tell. He may be right, but he’s a deadset flog and one day he’s going to cause someone to have health issues and I hope he gets taken to the cleaners.
He’s actually just a nasty person.
Goals ranked 146th averaging 0.8
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Score involvements 62th averaging 5.6
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Goal Assists 158th averaging 0.5
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I think being "the mongrel" also had him making very bad decisions. Saw that several times in the space of a few minutes when we were well and truly in the process of taking the game away from them this year.
Isn't Kane telling us that we don't need Darcy because Jackson is good enough? But Brandon Walker (spud apparently?) almost beat him so doesn't that mean Kaneo that you were wrong?“Nothing but a complete disaster”: Cornes takes aim at Freo list calls after B&F results
“It is unbelievable.”
Just Corned having another Rant Sighhhh
I'm surprised he didn't find a way to throw in Cox not finishing top 10 with his six year deal too.
He basically gets rewarded for taking highly black and white opinions (not the only one, but probably one of the most extreme in mainstream medialand). This means he leans heavily into simplistic ideas and consequentially basically crap and rigid analysis...more and more fitness as a cure for injuries is one of his overly simplified hobby horses.
It also means he has to cherry pick to prove he's right all the time.
Great point.
Strong possibility Baker helps that but directing play and showing leadership on the ground.
There are always injuries from the best 23. A couple of weeks ago someone put up total games played by some of those fringe players that baker and Bolton would upgrade - it was well over 100 games.
If you don’t believe that, just look round by round at who actually played.
Round 1 - Aish, Hughes, Fyfe, Emmett, Banfield, Walters, Ras, worner
2 - Emmett, Walters, tabs, Fyfe, Hughes, Aish, banfield
3 - pretty much same
4 - no change
5 - Ras in, Fred out
And so it goes. The point is that it is extremely rare to have all of the best 23 available.
And baker is better than most on here think.
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Cornes makes a valid point.“Nothing but a complete disaster”: Cornes takes aim at Freo list calls after B&F results
“It is unbelievable.”
Just Corned having another Rant Sighhhh
jackson is supposed to be a generational/unicorn/could be anything player.
Darcy had a known injury record when we did the Big Deal.
Positionally they substantially overlap.
To have only 1 in the Top 10 for 2024, and that 9th, is a very poor return on our massive investment.
Not saying the die is cast.
But if Darcy/Jackson deliver 80% on what we signed them up for in 2025 then we will play a GF with no other list changes whatsoever.
Over to you, lads...
Good point.
Baker replacing one of the depth player and strong possibility we would have been 5-0 or at least 4-1.
I think this is too fuzzy, broad and generic a claim to really provide any real genuine value.
The real debate lies in how much we should be willing to pay for Baker and maybe what that might cost us with other potentially trades and list management.
On the flipside we don't want to ignore what Baker can bring either.
But he is a player who enter the AFL as an honest scrapper. Elevated himself to elite or near elite performances as the Tigers did. But then experienced a significant drop off in form this year and now is prevaricating over a team on the cusp vs one with a hefty rebuild in front of it.
not this year.
Let's look at 2022 and 2023.
2023
0.5 Goals
0.6 Goal assists
5.3 score involvement
2022
0.5 goals
0.3 goals
5.1 score involvement
To be fair he was played over the shop.
Still, it's not elite numbers.
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