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[Aphrodite]

 

[Jatz]

Hip drop tackles are outlawed in rugby league - as usual, AFL is clueless about basic physics in a contact sport - the fact that this is even being debated shows how ignorant ( no offense meant to anyone) people are of what a safe tackle is and what unsafe is- Dangerfield actually went out of his way to bring his legs from a rearwards horizontal position and an easy roll over for a fair tackle to a forwards (in front and under him) position tucked under himself and letting all the weight of the momentum and his weight fall on Walsh's forwards downwards momentum - whilst pinning both arms- it is basically form of spear tackle - just less obvious to the un initiated.

Dangerfield has form very smart hit man - the AFL has form too- a bunch of nuffies running the joint.

The fact that the AFL: doesn't even have clear do's and dont's is a blight on the game.

Not just the NRL, the NFL are implementing it as well.

The injuries that come from that particular type of tackle are normally nasty.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Hip drop tackles are outlawed in rugby league - as usual, AFL is clueless about basic physics in a contact sport - the fact that this is even being debated shows how ignorant ( no offense meant to anyone) people are of what a safe tackle is and what unsafe is- Dangerfield actually went out of his way to bring his legs from a rearwards horizontal position and an easy roll over for a fair tackle to a forwards (in front and under him) position tucked under himself and letting all the weight of the momentum and his weight fall on Walsh's forwards downwards momentum - whilst pinning both arms- it is basically form of spear tackle - just less obvious to the un initiated.

Dangerfield has form very smart hit man - the AFL has form too- a bunch of nuffies running the joint.

The fact that the AFL: doesn't even have clear do's and dont's is a blight on the game.

The debate relates to what is within the rules and what isn't, not what is safe. As I said, the AFL needs to articulate it's position with more precision if it wants to suspend people for a tackle like that.

As an aside, this wasn't really a hip drop tackle in the way the NRL thinks about it. They were also outlawed in the NRL due to concerns about leg injuries, not head injuries, so not sure how it's relevant to this.

 

[Neese]

Dangerflog has a habit of taking out our players. He knows exactly what he is doing. He is lucky Sam wasn't seriously hurt with his history of back injuries.

 

[JustaBattler]

The debate relates to what is within the rules and what isn't, not what is safe. As I said, the AFL needs to articulate it's position with more precision if it wants to suspend people for a tackle like that.

As an aside, this wasn't really a hip drop tackle in the way the NRL thinks about it. They were also outlawed in the NRL due to concerns about leg injuries, not head injuries, so not sure how it's relevant to this.

The NRL addressed the issue of concussion, head high tackles, charging, bumps, hip and shoulders, spear tackles, chicken wings, jumper punches, any punches and whole lot of other dangerous practices going on decades now - the AFL has been run by a regime interested in padding the salaries and wages of ADFL HQ first, players second and has about as much credibility as a sporting organisation as < pick your favourite crooked something> player safety on field is an inconvenience and has been treated as such - for ever.

My comments referenced the existing rules, the ambiguity around their interpretation and the continuing (obvious) nuffery of AFL rules as they pertain to the ability of players to be injured as a consequence.

The whole AFL tackle cornucopia is a bandaid on bandaid load of rubbish and the implementation of same is a spaghetti mix of nonsense and reactive rubbish.

IMO.

The whole shenanigan is overseen by a media scrum that has to create controversy and click bait whilst at the same time not upsetting their AFL HQ overlords - who run the game and everything about it to maximise the revenue - sadly more and more derived from gambling sponsorship and advertising..

also you are wrong about the drop tackle - it wasn't just about protecting leg injuries - a drop tackle as I said is a modified form of spear tackle - it is a rodeo ride on a pinned player and all number of bad things can happen when you allow both arms to be pinned and a driven tackle into teh ground following.

 

[Blue Pulse]

The NRL addressed the issue of concussion, head high tackles, charging, bumps, hip and shoulders, spear tackles, chicken wings, jumper punches, any punches and whole lot of other dangerous practices going on decades now - the AFL has been run by a regime interested in padding the salaries and wages of ADFL HQ first, players second and has about as much credibility as a sporting organisation as < pick your favourite crooked something> player safety on field is an inconvenience and has been treated as such - for ever.

My comments referenced the existing rules, the ambiguity around their interpretation and the continuing (obvious) nuffery of AFL rules as they pertain to the ability of players to be injured as a consequence.

The whole AFL tackle cornucopia is a bandaid on bandaid load of rubbish and the implementation of same is a spaghetti mix of nonsense and reactive rubbish.

IMO.

The whole shenanigan is overseen by a media scrum that has to create controversy and click bait whilst at the same time not upsetting their AFL HQ overlords - who run the game and everything about it to maximise the revenue - sadly more and more derived from gambling sponsorship and advertising..

also you are wrong about the drop tackle - it wasn't just about protecting leg injuries - a drop tackle as I said is a modified form of spear tackle - it is a rodeo ride on a pinned player and all number of bad things can happen when you allow both arms to be pinned and a driven tackle into teh ground following.

You are making too much sense and you are right Jab in regards to the way they run the whole game and the shenanigans involved, rules are not in black and white anymore and everything is open to interpretation.

At the start of the year they preached that punches would not be tolerated anymore and suspensions would be handed out instead of fines, nek minute, whackity, whack, whack, here's your fine.

They need to make a stand and stand for something regarding the game and treat every player equally, judge suspensions on the action and not the person, but we all know that won't happen.

As a working environment for an AFL footballer, the working conditions on game day are changed nearly on a weekly basis, set your rules in black and white at the start of the year and let it run so the players understand what is required of them and they can adjust accordingly

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

All I'm going to say is that the NRL Judiciary and Operations manual disagrees with you on that last point. https://www.nrl.com/operations/judi...ents-and-indicators-of-each-offense/#HipDrops

 

[JustaBattler]

All I'm going to say is that the NRL Judiciary and Operations manual disagrees with you on that last point. https://www.nrl.com/operations/judi...ents-and-indicators-of-each-offense/#HipDrops

Protecting the legs is only one part of the outcome of banning such tackles mate.
Also FYI- read teh long list of banned activities in teh very first paragraph with supplied descriptive links and explanations.. interesting how so much that is banned in NRL - is common place occurrence and encouraged in AFL

I say again- AFL contact rules are RUBBISH

 

[Jatz]

Protecting the legs is only one part of the outcome of banning such tackles mate.
Also FYI- read teh long list of banned activities in teh very first paragraph with supplied descriptive links and explanations.. interesting how so much that is banned in NRL - is common place occurrence and encouraged in AFL

I say again- AFL contact rules are RUBBISH

Pretty amusing you're saying how good the NRL is in this regard - I assure you as someone that lives in NRL heartland, the vast majority of fans despise the mob in charge.

I follow both codes very closely, the NRL is not much better.

 

[JustaBattler]

Pretty amusing you're saying how good the NRL is in this regard - I assure you as someone that lives in NRL heartland, the vast majority of fans despise the mob in charge.

I follow both codes very closely, the NRL is not much better.

I know they are no different in terms of business practises - but the rules of the game as far as player safety and behaviour goes- are.

 

[Jatz]

I know they are no different in terms of business practises - but the rules of the game as far as player safety and behaviour goes- are.

The hip drop tackle has been a nightmare with no consistency all season.

The best you can argue is they're trying to stamp out a dangerous tackle (which is absolutely the right thing to do). They've made an absolute meal of it.

For the record, I think it needs to be outlawed in our code as well. It's incredibly dangerous and does very serious damage.

 

[JustaBattler]

The hip drop tackle has been a nightmare with no consistency all season.

The best you can argue is they're trying to stamp out a dangerous tackle (which is absolutely the right thing to do). They've made an absolute meal of it.

For the record, I think it needs to be outlawed in our code as well. It's incredibly dangerous and does very serious damage.

There is an excellent example of how to tackle correctly whilst pinning both arms AND ensuring the player is brought to ground SAFELY - executed by Fogarty against Close in Firday's game - perfect execution....part of the Fogarty video on his performance in that game - everyone should watch it if they have a genuine interest in player safety and duty of care...it is a perfect example of the difference between a bad actor event like Danergield's and what he could have/should have done - in exactly the same tackle scenario...

I coached both codes of rugby for a decade and played both for two at higher levels than park football - the AFL rules scare me tbh - or to put it another way- the ability of a skilled person to cause serious injury and damage - and get away with it - is orders of magnitude higher in AFL than other contact codes.

Sometimes you have had to play the game to understand the nuances - Maynard for example should have been give 8 weeks minimum for what he did to Brayshaw - on teh one hand you take your hat off to his skillful execution of a pirouette move mid air at full speed to land a shoulder to the head - on the other hand you have to say he is a dog. Any payer that throws a punch to teh body or head should be suspended - for a mandatory number of time- irrespective of outcome etc etc etc...

 

[jj1978]

There is an excellent example of how to tackle correctly whilst pinning both arms AND ensuring the player is brought to ground SAFELY - executed by Fogarty against Close in Firday's game - perfect execution....part of the Fogarty video on his performance in that game - everyone should watch it if they have a genuine interest in player safety and duty of care...it is a perfect example of the difference between a bad actor event like Danergield's and what he could have/should have done - in exactly the same tackle scenario...

I coached both codes of rugby for a decade and played both for two at higher levels than park football - the AFL rules scare me tbh - or to put it another way- the ability of a skilled person to cause serious injury and damage - and get away with it - is orders of magnitude higher in AFL than other contact codes.

Sometimes you have had to play the game to understand the nuances - Maynard for example should have been give 8 weeks minimum for what he did to Brayshaw - on teh one hand you take your hat off to his skillful execution of a pirouette move mid air at full speed to land a shoulder to the head - on the other hand you have to say he is a dog. Any payer that throws a punch to teh body or head should be suspended - for a mandatory number of time- irrespective of outcome etc etc etc...

Agree.

As for Maynard, calling him a dog is too nice.

 

[katmanblue]

Hip drop tackles are outlawed in rugby league - as usual, AFL is clueless about basic physics in a contact sport - the fact that this is even being debated shows how ignorant ( no offense meant to anyone) people are of what a safe tackle is and what unsafe is- Dangerfield actually went out of his way to bring his legs from a rearwards horizontal position and an easy roll over for a fair tackle to a forwards (in front and under him) position tucked under himself and letting all the weight of the momentum and his weight fall on Walsh's forwards downwards momentum - whilst pinning both arms- it is basically form of spear tackle - just less obvious to the un initiated.

Dangerfield has form very smart hit man - the AFL has form too- a bunch of nuffies running the joint.

The fact that the AFL: doesn't even have clear do's and dont's is a blight on the game.

You are the first person I've seen mention his legs.

He jack-knifes his leg from behind to in front.

To me, this shows he went out of his way to bring more force on Walsh front half. If he kept his legs back, the force would have been spread more on Walsh's lower body than his upper body.

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[JustaBattler]

You are the first person I've seen mention his legs.

He jack-knifes his leg from behind to in front.

To me, this shows he went out of his way to bring more force on Walsh front half. If he kept his legs back, the force would have been spread more on Walsh's lower body than his upper body.

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The 'jackknifing' adds to the forward down momentum - go back and look at FOgarty's tackle he doesn't do that move - a technically 'perfect' pinned arm bring down with no ill intent or likely otocme as Fogarty cushions the opposition players fall ...

Dangerfield's bad actor intent is obvious ( to me)

As I stated above ( at the risk of sounding like a ponce) unless you've played and coached this stuff - you cant see what there is to see - much like a golf swing isnt a swing it is a simple walking motion that everyone does with every step ( if you are walking backwards) - but you won't read that anywhere either.

 

[Aphrodite]

Dangerflog

 

[Aphrodite]

David Zita’s Twitter is a classic with Dangerflog taking on Woods (AFL)

What an arrogant entitled twat

 

[ESKIE]

Tosser should add an extra week on

 

[Aphrodite]

Tosser should add an extra week on

Was thinking an extra 2 weeks for that entitled FLOG Esky

 

[Aphrodite]

Hmmmmmmm

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Bewdy, now 3 goals and 30 touches this week please flog


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[BigFrizz36]

Bewdy, now 3 goals and 30 touches this week please flog


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You can argue guilt or innocence . My concern is that nearly any other player apart from Dangerfield would not have won the appeal. That shouldn't be the case.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

You can argue guilt or innocence . My concern is that nearly any other player apart from Dangerfield would not have won the appeal. That shouldn't be the case.

You say that. But we’ve had multiple good outcomes in appeals. Including our beloved captain.

 

[BigFrizz36]

You say that. But we’ve had multiple good outcomes in appeals. Including our beloved captain.

We won the Cripps appeal simply because the original tribunal hadn't followed the correct processes and procedure. It wasn't overturned by a second body determining innocence.

 

[Neese]

Well there's a surprise. Horrible person.

 

[JustaBattler]

The dog did exactly the same tackle against Kreuzer - who went off with concussion - years ago - exactly the same. The AFL are a clueless bunch of macaroons.