List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

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Jen2310 said:
You'd think richmond will pick up davidson, he has been playing under their nose. But their last pick is 24, so that may be too early for him.
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If that was their priority, they'd just trade 24 into the future and then draft Davidson with whatever late pick they get to use with their open list spot.
 
swoop42 said:
If we still had any interest in Tomlinson would we most likely need to take him in the national draft given the list vacancy's now available across senior and rookie?

People talk about moving up the draft order but the only way possible now would be to bundle up two or three of our picks in the 50's for a club still wanting more points or to improve draft hand after matching. Any movement and improvement would obviously only be minor.

My thinking is if we reduce our current 3 "live" picks to 1 or 2 on the night then taking someone like Tomlinson at the end of the draft might be an option to meet our minimum requirement of 3 ND selections.

Could we elect to draft a Markov in the ND rather than rookie if it came to it?
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If we do take Tomlinson, I think it'll be on a one year contract and thus as a rookie - in the ND he'd get 2 years - we could upgrade a current rookie and then add Tomlinson through the rookie draft.

I want Charlie West (based on very little). Swap 2 of ours with Brisbane for 49 - after they match Ashcroft - as they'll then want more points for their next kid - this gets us ahead of Port's 50, who are supposedly interested too.
 
sr36 said:
If we do take Tomlinson, I think it'll be on a one year contract and thus as a rookie - in the ND he'd get 2 years - we could upgrade a current rookie and then add Tomlinson through the rookie draft.

I want Charlie West (based on very little). Swap 2 of ours with Brisbane for 49 - after they match Ashcroft - as they'll then want more points for their next kid - this gets us ahead of Port's 50, who are supposedly interested too.
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I’d imagine if we had any interest in Tomlinson it wouldn’t be based on whether AJ or Oleg get picked up.
 

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BENNY BARRETT​

South Adelaide, 174cm midfielder/small forward
“He lit the game up when he played his first game at national championship level and it made you think ‘where’s he been?’ He was pretty good in a couple of games with his speed, he tested brilliantly in the 20m sprint at the state combine (finishing first). That speed separates him from many of the others and Port will have a decision to make there as a Next Generation Academy prospect.”

NED BOWMAN​

Norwood, 186cm forward
“He’s got versatility to play at both ends of the ground. He’s not fully developed physically but he’s got a touch of class. He had three goals in a game at national level and might play off half-back. He would be a project player but there’s clear indications he’s got AFL potential with his combination of speed and endurance. You’d expect to see him go somewhere.”

■ ROME BURGOYNE​

Woodville-West Torrens/Port Adelaide, 182cm half-back

“He finished the year well. It doesn’t do any harm to see (brother) Jase doing well at Port Adelaide. He was very good in a final. He’s a different type of player and athlete to Jase, but he’s still got the traits of being able to find the footy and use it very, very well. You’d be surprised if Port doesn’t take him (as a father-son selection).”

■ BEN CAMPOREALE​

Glenelg, 186cm inside midfielder

“He hasn’t done a lot wrong in the last three years. They’re rangy boys, the pair of them (Camporeale twins). He’s a really competitive beast who can play half-back or win the contested ball in the midfield. He does all the fundamentals well and doesn’t fumble it. His kicking will get better in a full-time environment. His hands are terrific. He had a great game at the MCG last year as a 17-year-old then had a terrific year this year. The bid will come, we just don’t know when because there’s sometimes a bit of cat and mouse with that.”

■ LUCAS CAMPOREALE​

Glenelg, 184cm wingman

“The wing is a real specialist role these days where you have to have discipline to play wide, be the outlet and work your backside off, and I think he’s got every bit of that. He’s a good user of the ball on his left foot. He’s a different type to his brother but they might complement each other pretty well. His ball-winning ability to get over in the right spots is a trait you need in every team. Again, we don’t know where the bid comes, but Carlton will be looking forward to getting both the brothers into their footy club.”

■ ANGUS CLARKE​

Glenelg, 189cm defender

“You want your defenders to be composed and make few mistakes. That’s his profile. He’s very relaxed, intercepts well, uses it well. I know clubs have warmed to him given his story as a very committed kid to get down (from Mount Gambier) to train and play. Clubs just see this tremendous growth and improvement in him when he gets in a full-time environment. He was fantastic in the 2km time trial at the national combine (finishing third). He’s a lovely size to be a third or fourth defender.”

■ ALEX DODSON​

Sturt, 203cm ruckman

“He’s no doubt the leading ruck prospect. Where he’ll go, it’s really hard to know each year with ruckman and it depends how much clubs prioritise the ruck position as an immediate need. I’d think he’s a first-round choice. Given basketball occupied him a fair bit, he’s got so much development still in him, yet he was still fantastic this year, getting All-Australian honours. He’s competitive, mobile, a great size and can win the ball. He’s got a bit of Brodie Grundy in him. He just needs time to develop physically to compete against the bigger bodies.”

■ SID DRAPER​

South Adelaide, 182cm midfielder

“He’s the most ready to run player from SA. Despite some setbacks this year with injury, he’s built his resilience and been able to overcome that and still had back-to-back All-Australian years. Very few kids do that. He’s capable of playing right at the start of next year. He’s super professional, a great young leader and has got some X-factor out the centre with his speed and ability to change lanes, and step through. He gets separation and opens the game up, like a Connor Rozee. He’s a contender to go in the top half a dozen.”

PHOENIX HARGRAVE​

South Adelaide, 181cm inside midfielder

“He’s had a pretty solid two years. As a bottom-ager, he won the MVP in the SANFL under-18 comp and this year he played some senior footy. He’s done enough to be a chance to get through and has given himself a great foundation.”

TOM MCKAY​

Glenelg, 191cm defender

“He’s a lightly framed boy … so it’s an investment into your future. He’s a one-touch player. You’d like him to get to 194cm to play that third defender type role. He had some great moments in the championship, was pretty composed, used it well, is an intercept marker. He’s one that would be attracting a fair bit of interest.”

JACOB MOLIER​

Sturt, 201cm ruckman
“He tested really well for speed (at the state combine) and he’s grown a lot in the past 12 months. He was 195cm or 196cm 12 months ago. He’s tall, he’s quick, he was sharing the ruckwork with Alex Dodson so he’s probably a bit underexposed because Dodson was getting the main role. Is there enough to go with at the moment or does a club wait until the mid-year draft? Some would be scrambling back to have a look at vision of him playing after the way he tested.”

JACOB NEWTON​

Norwood, 178cm midfielder/small forward

“He was pretty solid at national level then outstanding at club level. He has ability to adapt, playing a small forward role quite well at the nationals, then dominating in midfield roles back at Norwood.”

■ CHARLIE NICHOLLS​

Central District, 197cm key position player

“I like him, not just because of his size and marking, but because of his versatility too. He’s quick, he tested well (at the national combine), so he maybe he could be a tall defender or tall forward. You saw indications at national level of his potential and had dominant games back at club level. He’s got some real AFL traits.”

TYLER WELSH​

Woodville-West Torrens/Crows, 191cm forward

“He’s almost had the advantage of getting his first year out of the way by playing most of his games with the Crows in the SANFL. When he slipped back to under-18 SANFL footy, he absolutely dominated. We’ve seen that on a couple of occasions at national level. He had a promising development year and over the three-year period he’s done plenty to suggest he’ll have an impact at AFL level. I imagine the bid will come fairly late but that might be the biggest gift the Crows get. I think he’s got some enormous talent. He’s got speed off the mark that makes him hard to match up on, he’s strong and he’s got natural talent as a forward, being able to find the goals, like his father (ex-Crows, North Melbourne and Western Bulldogs sharpshooter Scott Welsh). He’ll need to work on his consistency but that’ll come with experience.”

CHARLIE WEST​


Woodville-West Torrens, 194cm forward
“He tested super well (at the national combine), which will give him a hell of a chance because of his speed and size. Some of the marks he took – and we only saw glimpses at national level – were pretty impressive. We’ll have to wait to see how it unfolds because it’s a pretty strong draft.”
 
Jen2310 said:

BENNY BARRETT​

South Adelaide, 174cm midfielder/small forward
“He lit the game up when he played his first game at national championship level and it made you think ‘where’s he been?’ He was pretty good in a couple of games with his speed, he tested brilliantly in the 20m sprint at the state combine (finishing first). That speed separates him from many of the others and Port will have a decision to make there as a Next Generation Academy prospect.”

NED BOWMAN​

Norwood, 186cm forward
“He’s got versatility to play at both ends of the ground. He’s not fully developed physically but he’s got a touch of class. He had three goals in a game at national level and might play off half-back. He would be a project player but there’s clear indications he’s got AFL potential with his combination of speed and endurance. You’d expect to see him go somewhere.”

■ ROME BURGOYNE​

Woodville-West Torrens/Port Adelaide, 182cm half-back

“He finished the year well. It doesn’t do any harm to see (brother) Jase doing well at Port Adelaide. He was very good in a final. He’s a different type of player and athlete to Jase, but he’s still got the traits of being able to find the footy and use it very, very well. You’d be surprised if Port doesn’t take him (as a father-son selection).”

■ BEN CAMPOREALE​

Glenelg, 186cm inside midfielder

“He hasn’t done a lot wrong in the last three years. They’re rangy boys, the pair of them (Camporeale twins). He’s a really competitive beast who can play half-back or win the contested ball in the midfield. He does all the fundamentals well and doesn’t fumble it. His kicking will get better in a full-time environment. His hands are terrific. He had a great game at the MCG last year as a 17-year-old then had a terrific year this year. The bid will come, we just don’t know when because there’s sometimes a bit of cat and mouse with that.”

■ LUCAS CAMPOREALE​

Glenelg, 184cm wingman

“The wing is a real specialist role these days where you have to have discipline to play wide, be the outlet and work your backside off, and I think he’s got every bit of that. He’s a good user of the ball on his left foot. He’s a different type to his brother but they might complement each other pretty well. His ball-winning ability to get over in the right spots is a trait you need in every team. Again, we don’t know where the bid comes, but Carlton will be looking forward to getting both the brothers into their footy club.”

■ ANGUS CLARKE​

Glenelg, 189cm defender

“You want your defenders to be composed and make few mistakes. That’s his profile. He’s very relaxed, intercepts well, uses it well. I know clubs have warmed to him given his story as a very committed kid to get down (from Mount Gambier) to train and play. Clubs just see this tremendous growth and improvement in him when he gets in a full-time environment. He was fantastic in the 2km time trial at the national combine (finishing third). He’s a lovely size to be a third or fourth defender.”

■ ALEX DODSON​

Sturt, 203cm ruckman

“He’s no doubt the leading ruck prospect. Where he’ll go, it’s really hard to know each year with ruckman and it depends how much clubs prioritise the ruck position as an immediate need. I’d think he’s a first-round choice. Given basketball occupied him a fair bit, he’s got so much development still in him, yet he was still fantastic this year, getting All-Australian honours. He’s competitive, mobile, a great size and can win the ball. He’s got a bit of Brodie Grundy in him. He just needs time to develop physically to compete against the bigger bodies.”

■ SID DRAPER​

South Adelaide, 182cm midfielder

“He’s the most ready to run player from SA. Despite some setbacks this year with injury, he’s built his resilience and been able to overcome that and still had back-to-back All-Australian years. Very few kids do that. He’s capable of playing right at the start of next year. He’s super professional, a great young leader and has got some X-factor out the centre with his speed and ability to change lanes, and step through. He gets separation and opens the game up, like a Connor Rozee. He’s a contender to go in the top half a dozen.”

PHOENIX HARGRAVE​

South Adelaide, 181cm inside midfielder

“He’s had a pretty solid two years. As a bottom-ager, he won the MVP in the SANFL under-18 comp and this year he played some senior footy. He’s done enough to be a chance to get through and has given himself a great foundation.”

TOM MCKAY​

Glenelg, 191cm defender

“He’s a lightly framed boy … so it’s an investment into your future. He’s a one-touch player. You’d like him to get to 194cm to play that third defender type role. He had some great moments in the championship, was pretty composed, used it well, is an intercept marker. He’s one that would be attracting a fair bit of interest.”

JACOB MOLIER​

Sturt, 201cm ruckman
“He tested really well for speed (at the state combine) and he’s grown a lot in the past 12 months. He was 195cm or 196cm 12 months ago. He’s tall, he’s quick, he was sharing the ruckwork with Alex Dodson so he’s probably a bit underexposed because Dodson was getting the main role. Is there enough to go with at the moment or does a club wait until the mid-year draft? Some would be scrambling back to have a look at vision of him playing after the way he tested.”

JACOB NEWTON​

Norwood, 178cm midfielder/small forward

“He was pretty solid at national level then outstanding at club level. He has ability to adapt, playing a small forward role quite well at the nationals, then dominating in midfield roles back at Norwood.”

■ CHARLIE NICHOLLS​

Central District, 197cm key position player

“I like him, not just because of his size and marking, but because of his versatility too. He’s quick, he tested well (at the national combine), so he maybe he could be a tall defender or tall forward. You saw indications at national level of his potential and had dominant games back at club level. He’s got some real AFL traits.”

TYLER WELSH​

Woodville-West Torrens/Crows, 191cm forward

“He’s almost had the advantage of getting his first year out of the way by playing most of his games with the Crows in the SANFL. When he slipped back to under-18 SANFL footy, he absolutely dominated. We’ve seen that on a couple of occasions at national level. He had a promising development year and over the three-year period he’s done plenty to suggest he’ll have an impact at AFL level. I imagine the bid will come fairly late but that might be the biggest gift the Crows get. I think he’s got some enormous talent. He’s got speed off the mark that makes him hard to match up on, he’s strong and he’s got natural talent as a forward, being able to find the goals, like his father (ex-Crows, North Melbourne and Western Bulldogs sharpshooter Scott Welsh). He’ll need to work on his consistency but that’ll come with experience.”

CHARLIE WEST​


Woodville-West Torrens, 194cm forward
“He tested super well (at the national combine), which will give him a hell of a chance because of his speed and size. Some of the marks he took – and we only saw glimpses at national level – were pretty impressive. We’ll have to wait to see how it unfolds because it’s a pretty strong draft.”
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The 2 Charlie's 👌
 
Jen2310 said:

NED BOWMAN​

Norwood, 186cm forward
“He’s got versatility to play at both ends of the ground. He’s not fully developed physically but he’s got a touch of class. He had three goals in a game at national level and might play off half-back. He would be a project player but there’s clear indications he’s got AFL potential with his combination of speed and endurance. You’d expect to see him go somewhere.”
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Jen2310 said:

ANGUS CLARKE​

Glenelg, 189cm defender

“You want your defenders to be composed and make few mistakes. That’s his profile. He’s very relaxed, intercepts well, uses it well. I know clubs have warmed to him given his story as a very committed kid to get down (from Mount Gambier) to train and play. Clubs just see this tremendous growth and improvement in him when he gets in a full-time environment. He was fantastic in the 2km time trial at the national combine (finishing third). He’s a lovely size to be a third or fourth defender.”
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Jen2310 said:

TOM MCKAY​

Glenelg, 191cm defender

“He’s a lightly framed boy … so it’s an investment into your future. He’s a one-touch player. You’d like him to get to 194cm to play that third defender type role. He had some great moments in the championship, was pretty composed, used it well, is an intercept marker. He’s one that would be attracting a fair bit of interest.”
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Hine: “KPPs? Hold my beer”
 
Hopefully Silvagni takes the opportunity to screw over Carlton a little and makes sure a bid comes for Ben before their pick 38.

The Saints have pick 32 as it stands and that appears to be right in the hitting zone for any bid anyway.

To be honest when judging purely on accolades and stats I'm surprised Ben isn't rated more highly. He was AA U18, averaged 26.8 disposals and was the MVP for SA.
 
swoop42 said:
Hopefully Silvagni takes the opportunity to screw over Carlton a little and makes sure a bid comes for Ben before their pick 38.

The Saints have pick 32 as it stands and that appears to be right in the hitting zone for any bid anyway.

To be honest when judging purely on accolades and stats I'm surprised Ben isn't rated more highly. He was AA U18, averaged 26.8 disposals and was the MVP for SA.
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Ben is a much better player than 38. Carlton have done well to hide both of them.
 

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Matt_352 said:
Sounds like we are no chance at getting Sims :(

Dennis, Stumph and Kennedy then I hope.

Charlie Nicholls a decent Plan B option if we miss out on Dennis or Stumph, I really want both Dennis and Stumph though.
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Word on Stumph from EBnW Pyeman is he doesn't like contested situations and the highlights shown is about as much as they could show. Obviously he is not a fan.
 
loki04 said:
You can go back 10 years and only us in 2023 and Dogs in 2016 break the mould.

Most years one of, if not both GF teams, have a Key Forward competing for the Coleman or placing in it.
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The list you posted the other day had about 11 Grand Final teams with someone competing for the Coleman, over a 12 year period. So 11 out of 24 Grand Finalists - less than half.

I don't think it's a concern either way.
 
sr36 said:
The list you posted the other day had about 11 Grand Final teams with someone competing for the Coleman, over a 12 year period. So 11 out of 24 Grand Finalists - less than half.

I don't think it's a concern either way.
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I didn't post every GF team runners up in winning teams years every year. I did some and not others.

Edit : Also if it was GF winners its 2 out of 11 in that period.
 
loki04 said:
I didn't post every GF team runners up in winning teams years every year. I did some and not others.

Edit : Also if it was GF winners its 2 out of 11 in that period.
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Collingwood 2023, Dees - 2021, Dogs 2016

Tiges in 2017 won it without a big forward at all - it was Riewoldt with a medium alongside him.

Extend the dates a bit and 2009-2011 didn't have a gun KPF.

Like guns in every other position, gun KPFs help, but I don't think they're as important as a gun KPD and gun mids.
 

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