Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[Shinboner roo]

Getting Houston for our ff (that if he even agreed to come) and taking M Whitlock with pick 29 tonight (that's even if he was still there) good deal!

Getting Caleb Daniel

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(wanted to come) pick 27 (Whitlock) tigers f2 (pick 19 first pick of the second night) for our ff shit deal fold the club, Brady should be murdered

Sure argue Daniel vs Houston 1 wanted to come the other didn't and would rather stay in Adelaide.

BigFooty logic.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Getting Houston for our ff (that if he even agreed to come) and taking M Whitlock with pick 29 tonight (that's even if he was still there) good deal!

Getting Caleb Daniel (wanted to come) pick 27 (Whitlock) tigers f2 (pick 19 first pick of the second night) for our ff shit deal fold the club, Brady should be murdered

Sure argue Daniel vs Houston 1 wanted to come the other didn't and would rather stay in Adelaide.

BigFooty logic.

both are bad imo

there hasn't been one time we have traded future picks that imo has been more in our favour

 

[Supa_Nova]

Well I guess what I am asking and maybe I’m not thinking it through properly.

What’s a better result walking away from the draft with

Tauru and next years First
or
Fos and Whitlock and a F2.

Actually reading that I think FOS and a tall.

Maybe we have done the right thing.

Sorry I’m debating with myself.

No that's a great way to view it. I'm isolation everything can look one way, but all the pieces it looks better

Also consider we have nfi what their plan or thinking actually was. Clarko might even have pulled rank, seeing something vitally important in this kid

 

[jay317]

Considering we have W.Dawson, Whitlock, Maley, Comben, CCJ and Goad who are all basically 2M, do we need to go after the other Whitlock? Is there small forward available in the same range that makes more sense?

 

[hoffseason gains 01]

Considering we have W.Dawson, Whitlock, Maley, Comben, CCJ and Goad who are all basically 2M, do we need to go after the other Whitlock? Is there small forward available in the same range that makes more sense?

The rest of the small forwards are pretty speculative from now onwards. Would rather stick with what we have.

 

[backtothedraft]

Lets say we want to bring in the other Whitlock.

Could be wrong, but it seems a tad unlikely he'll be selected early tonight?

Pick 28 - Richmond - They've already picked Faull and Armstrong
Pick 29 - WB - They're absolutely stacked for KPFs
Pick 30 - WC - Could select him here, but they've just drafted Barnett and Archer Reid... and they've got Allen, Waterman, and Williams x2. Even if they went a tall, maybe Shanahan would be the favourite?
Pick 31 - WB - Still absolutely stacked for KPFs
Pick 32 - Saints - If they're going for needs, surely this is a mid

By the time we're getting into the early to mid thirties, surely our F2+F3 have currency.

Im sure we will be calling every club from the start of R2 onwards to get back in. I wouldn't be surprised to see a club put up an F1. I think the GWS pick at 36 could be the one we target to get back in. They've taken 3 in the first round and are likely to list the ruckman from their academy. Whitlock and Shanahan are likely off the board by then but hopefully there is another player there that addresses a need.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Considering we have W.Dawson, Whitlock, Maley, Comben, CCJ and Goad who are all basically 2M, do we need to go after the other Whitlock? Is there small forward available in the same range that makes more sense?

Doubtful, given they'd have to be a probable upgrade on RHJ, Payne, and Konstanty to be worth it?

 

[MicknArch]

The amount of pressure this ridiculous trade has put on the kid, the recruiting staff and the club was enough to not warrant it.

So what, we don’t pick the player because it might put pressure on him? If we want him, we pick him, just like every other club does. The club hasn’t put any extra pressure on the kid - no more than any others picked. There was pressure on Sheez, Colby, George, Duursma, Hardiman etc… But all he has to do is what they all did - turn up, train, do his best and hopefully become a good player for our club. The only undue pressure being placed on Whitlock is the pressure coming from the hand-wringing supporters on this forum who seem to be almost barracking for him to fail, just to prove a point

 

[PremiershipTigers]

Because of the media narrative. They have missed a trick putting all their eggs into a one draft basket.

Looks like it might be 2x draft baskets now...

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

We had to overpay.

No way would Richmond have taken our F2 and by the time we found someone who would both Whitlocks and Shanahan would be gone and we'd have no decent KPP to get and petiole would have be screaming 'sack Brady' even louder.

We needed a KPP and we got one. We might have overpaid but we had to if that's what we needed and wanted.

Darling is coverage for now while Whitlock develops over the next 2-3 years.

That's why those guys in that room for NMFC. They made the right call.

I don’t disagree at all. Just conscious that we paid a high price, but I know we rated Matt very highly and probably would have reached for him in the teens anyway.

 

[krakouers]

Sydney on the phone.

“Hi Brady, how did you get this number?
We said no, feck off!”

 

[Horace]

I know what has been posted on this board… Literally months of tough talk over the value of our f1.

Just pointing out the the revisionism at play.

Find someone who prior to tonight would have been happy with our trading efforts. Literally not one person.

Done mate. I'm happy.

All will be revealed in the fullness of time.

 

[giantroo]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/afl-draft-2024-north-melbourne-and-st-kildas-picks-in-the-top-10-are-nothing-to-worry-about-for-fans-despite-frustration/news-story/ceda0c47ea9b8f4c1a97f73497e242dd

On the surface, North Melbourne and St Kilda’s early draft selections were puzzling for their frustrated fanbases.
Short of talls, the Roos used their prized second selection to take another midfielder in Finn O’Sullivan.

It is the sixth midfielder they have taken inside the top 13 picks of the last four drafts: Colby McKercher, Harry Sheezel, George Wardlaw Jason Horne-Francis (traded to Port Adelaide), Will Phillips and Tom Powell.

Seven if Zane Duursma evolves into a goalkicking midfielder like he was as a junior.

Meanwhile, the Saints are crying out for a gamebreaking midfielder in the mould of O’Sullivan.

Finn O’Sullivan with new teammates Colby McKercher, Zane Duursma, Harry Sheezel and George Wardlaw after being selected. Picture: Michael Klein

With their back-to-back selections, they took playmaker Tobie Travaglia, who played primarily halfback this season, and 193cm defender Alix Tauru.

North Melbourne fans will be asking, why not a tall?

Saints supporters, with the consecutive selections of Hunter Clark

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and Nick Coffield – now at the Western Bulldogs – seven years ago fresh in their memory, might be wondering why they didn’t look at a midfielder?

Let’s start with the Roos.

The golden rule of drafting at the top-end is to pick on talent, rather than needs.

Tauru had been initially strongly linked with North Melbourne, but there was always an element of risk in picking him that high.

Six months ago, the intercept king didn’t even figure a mention in AFL talent guru Kevin Sheehan’s top 75 prospects six months ago.

Since then he has risen up draft boards higher than his extraordinary leap, which wowed AFL recruiters in the second half of the year.

The Gippsland Power prospect has the traits and scope to potentially be the second best talent in the draft, but ultimately it would have been a reach.

Koroit midfielder Finn O’Sullivan has arguably been the best player in the draft class over the past three seasons despite an injury-riddled draft year.

Finn O'Sullivan bursts through a tackle. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

He was the best player at the U16 national championship, turned heads as a bottom-ager at the U18 carnival before a string of injuries – unlucky ones like hand and finger setbacks rather than ones of grave concern – curtailed his draft year.

Before that injury-riddled campaign he turned heads at Arden Street during his stint with the club as part of the AFL Academy.

The elephant in the room is their stacked engine room.

There is a definite squeeze into the future with Luke Davies-Uniacke

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, Wardlaw, Sheezel, McKercher and now O’Sullivan.

But the damaging midfielder, who has maximum hurt-factor with his blistering speed, ball-use and soaring leap, is different to their current mix.

The Oakleigh Chargers product only needs 20 disposals to turn a game and may start on the outside at first, but he is the icing on the cake of a mouth-watering midfield mix.

O’Sullivan shared his draft moment with Wardlaw, Sheezel, McKercher and Duursma at Marvel Stadium and can’t wait to be part of their next generation with them.

“I’m happy to play anywhere, just get to training and put my best foot forward and see what happens,” O’Sullivan said after being drafted.

“They have got a great mix of midfielders through there, for me I’ll just bring my strengths. My running, my feeding it to teammates and stuff like that, my overhead marking,”

“With their group, they have got so many kids coming through but they have also got some younger boys who play a massive part in that as well and have got great leadership. So excited to be part of it.”

In the end the Roos got their key position prospect in Murray Bushrangers swingman Matt Whitlock, but at a huge cost, sacrificing their future first rounder.

Continues on...

 

[ArdenStreet]

Im sure we will be calling every club from the start of R2 onwards to get back in. I wouldn't be surprised to see a club put up an F1. I think the GWS pick at 36 could be the one we target to get back in. They've taken 3 in the first round and are likely to list the ruckman from their academy. Whitlock and Shanahan are likely off the board by then but hopefully there is another player there that addresses a need.

What sort of chance are we to get P29 (our original!) or P31 from the Dogs with the Tigers F2?
Suspect * will trade a F1 to Tigers for P28 and take Shanahan after his run in their reserves.
Don't think either Shanahan or J.Whitlock make is past Port P33.

 

[krakouers]

What sort of chance are we to get P29 (our original!) or P31 from the Dogs with the Tigers F2?
Suspect * will trade a F1 to Tigers for P28 and take Shanahan after his run in their reserves.
Don't think either Shanahan or J.Whitlock make is past Port P33.

Probably would target p31 for our own second

 

[muttley45]

If River Stevens isn't selected tonight, can we get him for nothing in a rookie type way ?

 

[giantroo]

If River Stevens isn't selected tonight, can we get him for nothing in a rookie type way ?

Yes, can go onto the rookie list automatically.

 

[Shermanator]

Well I guess what I am asking and maybe I’m not thinking it through properly.

What’s a better result walking away from the draft with

Tauru and next years First
or
Fos and Whitlock and a F2.

Actually reading that I think FOS and a tall.

Maybe we have done the right thing.

Sorry I’m debating with myself.

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

 

[The Nostradamus]

tonight just find a way to upgrade our next pick to get a KPF

then i hope we keep the last spot empty for SSP train ons

river can be part of that train on group otherwise can monitor him as a fs next year instead

 

[DocSholl]

We kinda do, the only way Colby was getting out of there

Why did we trade for Fisher then

 

[DesertRoo]

tonight just find a way to upgrade our next pick to get a KPF

then i hope we keep the last spot empty for SSP train ons

river can be part of that train on group otherwise can monitor him as a fs next year instead

Get the other Whitlock...


Then Im happy for River, main or rookie, there's a spot up for grabs in the position he plays.

Dom Brew could have a spot for character reasons, even that Culley kid a year to see if he gets his spring back both of those could be done over the SSP.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Get the other Whitlock...


Then Im happy for River to make it either list or rookie.

Happy to give Dom Brew a spot for character reasons, even that Culley kid a year to see if he gets his spring back both of those could be done over the SSP.

we've got 2 list spots left

i want a kpf

then a ssp train on

 

[MicknArch]

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

The most sensible post I’ve read since the draft.

 

[perplexed]

Three names I’m interested in still J Whitlock, Shanahan and Mraz. We clearly won’t get the first two for a F2 as that will only start appealing to clubs after pick 40. Are we allowed to trade both F2s otherwise I’ll have to hope Mraz slides for a single f2

We can only trade one, but we would be better off keeping both. Next year those F2's aren't likely to be particularly valuable to draft players as they'll drop back significantly in the order. But with the new points system together they could possibly be bundled and traded for a mid-late first to one of the teams with early academy players.

 

[DesertRoo]

we've got 2 list spots left

i want a kpf

then a ssp train on

yeah Whitlock needs to be one, keep the shepp twins together,
how many rookie spots we got?