Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[chubbspeterson]

Jesus Christ. Brady asleep at the wheel again, why couldn’t he trade 62 and a future 9th for 58. FMD.

I was going to jokingly go with why didn't he trade our F2 for Bombres 28. The trade is right there Brady FFS!
Doesn't matter if we couldn't then trade our F1 on draft night without getting a F2 or F1 back in the deal.
It's irrelevant... minor details.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Can't wait to see who they want at 58 that they thought won't be there at 60.

Without doing a massive deep dive into their list and how many list spots they have available. Maybe they were going to lose pick 66 (80 points) so they have pretty much traded 60 to 58 and gained an extra 24 points.
It's a strange one though.

 

[Orange Peanut]

No we're not, everything's going to be alright, hold the fort, come draft night we will get the player/players we want! The chances that anything was going to be traded today was like a 1000-1, I'm guessing when the tigers make their first selection on draft night that's when things will heat up or shall I say come to fruition. There will be plans in place either way, I know this has been said about 10,000 times but we need to have a little more faith, things are never as bad as they seem.

Mate I was talking about us big footy posters, not the club. Old mate asked "what's wrong with you lot" and told him honestly that we are scum and we suck. I stand by it tbh.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Without doing a massive deep dive into their list and how many list spots they have available. Maybe they were going to lose pick 66 (80 points) so they have pretty much traded 60 to 58 and gained an extra 24 points.
It's a strange one though.

They won't draft with any of those picks. They want a few extra points because all their picks will get absorbed in points matching bids on F/Son Levi Ashcroft (pick 1 or 2) and Lions academy player Sam Marshall (likely bid in 20-30 range).
Our pick 62 will come in a little bit earlier once the bids remove some of those 30-60 picks.

 

[travelli]

No doubt a worry and there's an element of risk there and I can't really fault anyone for not wanting anything to do with him due to his lack of production and/or accumulation this year.

Ultimately there's a risk with all of them, just depends which risk you want to take on.

FO'S risk is production this year and finding the ball has been a problem (although this wasn't an issue last year)
Langford's is his being one-paced and his size at junior level being an advantage
Take your pick with Jagga (and I really like him): midfield only, skinny and lack of hurt factor for some
Draper: SA prospect and his manicness at times leads him to blaze away and make some weird decisions
Lalor doesn't have composure in the contest, disposal is a little iffy and I worry that his size helped him at junior level

For me, FO'S actually has the least amount of risk attached with him when you consider him as a prospect apart from his production (I know how stupid that sounds because you want a bloke with runs on the board). I suppose the reason I'm willing to give him a pass on production and accumulation is because he had no issue with these in his underage year. There's really no clear and obvious flaw in his game for me, at least in comparison to the others.

Jagga is the only guy with no risk. Will waltz into our centre best. Main problem is that we will have to burn some other capable midfielders/

 

[Brissyroo]

Shanahan
as the big kpf who could impact immediately but also be a long term investment

I'm a big fan of F1 for Richmond's 10. I feel like it could suit both parties and is far from a trade that Richmond supporters could feel dogged about.
I get they might not want to buy they'd have to feel confident it will end up a top 5.

 

[Lomas]

Jagga is the only guy with no risk. Will waltz into our centre best. Main problem is that we will have to burn some other capable midfielders/

He is pretty flash, got all the moves, and fire is the devil’s only friend.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

No doubt a worry and there's an element of risk there and I can't really fault anyone for not wanting anything to do with him due to his lack of production and/or accumulation this year.

Ultimately there's a risk with all of them, just depends which risk you want to take on.

FO'S risk is production this year and finding the ball has been a problem (although this wasn't an issue last year)
Langford's is his being one-paced and his size at junior level being an advantage
Take your pick with Jagga (and I really like him): midfield only, skinny and lack of hurt factor for some
Draper: SA prospect and his manicness at times leads him to blaze away and make some weird decisions
Lalor doesn't have composure in the contest, disposal is a little iffy and I worry that his size helped him at junior level

For me, FO'S actually has the least amount of risk attached with him when you consider him as a prospect apart from his production (I know how stupid that sounds because you want a bloke with runs on the board). I suppose the reason I'm willing to give him a pass on production and accumulation is because he had no issue with these in his underage year. There's really no clear and obvious flaw in his game for me, at least in comparison to the others.

Thanks for your reply Souup. I don't feel like I necessarily have a clear favourite out of the top 5 at the moment. What i will say about Langford's case though is that pace isn't everything. Some of the best players in the comp you wouldn't say are fast but they still have the ability to find and win the footy better than most. If i'm taking a midfielder with a top 2 pick, i'm wanting a player that gets plenty of the ball, wins contests and impacts the game on a consistent basis.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Jagga is the only guy with no risk. Will waltz into our centre best. Main problem is that we will have to burn some other capable midfielders/

Nah he's gotta stack on 15kg so he doesn't break something playing seniors.

Easily the most underdeveloped physique in the top 10.

I don't think you can you be 100% certain his trademark agility will still be there after he spends a couple years getting his weight up to scratch.

He's also the antithesis of a two-way running mid, which is what we need.

By contrast Draper could play round 1. Far less risk.

 

[archereleven]

I think he's the most versatile (both in terms of position and also roles he could take in the midfield) and athletic of the lot, and so I think he has the highest ceiling.

For example, Jagga Smith might be the better inside midfielder with more runs on the board this year, but Finn has the overhead marking and ability forward of the ball to be used as a forward.

Langford could also be a better midfielder, but Finn is quicker and could be utilised as a line breaking winger (which I think is a position of need for us), which I don't think Langford could.

Draper is pretty comparable to Finn, but one is from SA and the other VIC. I like Finn's overhead ability more if we're trying to find something.

If he averaged more than 17 possessions a game, then I'd agree, but he doesn't.

Massive gamble at 2.


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[archereleven]

Please don't draft for positional need at the top of the draft. That can change from year to year and you can fill needs in any number of ways.

However, your list does impact your appetite for risk.

We don't need a safe pick as much as Richmond or West Coast. They need a McKercher or a Sheezel. They need a player who can average 30 touches for a decade and be an engine for their rebuild.

We can afford to swing for the fences, in my opinion. We should draft a player who has match-winning, x-factor attributes, even if they might be high risk.

Bizarre take imo

We need another gun at pick 2. Nothing less. X factor is bollocks, just get the player who finds the pill and uses it well almost every time. Someone who thrives in the contest and keeps a calm head under duress.

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[dus]

Smith or Draper.

Going off YouTube highlights only.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Pick 2 to Saints for pick 7 and a F1
And
Our F1 and 62 to GWS for 15,16 and 56.
Gives us 7, 15, 16 and 56 this year and take Stevens as a rookie.
Then we still have a 1st for next year and we get to death ride St.Kilda.
Who says no?

 

[The Talent Scout]

XL doesn't have the height or booming kick though, or gallop right?

From the small sample, seems like a Stephens type that won't really change the make up of the list, but yeah for sure, would be a handy inclusion and likely upgrade on both Stephens or Scott.

A quick, silky outside runner would be a huge upgrade. MCkercher's role next year will be one to watch.

Well for starters, forget this height thing, sometimes I feel that some people get so invested in the "how tall they are and if they are fast enough" that they forget that all footballers are different. Xavier's tackling, ball use and vision is next level, someone who can kick to team mates like he does is something that our team could really use. If we picked Xavier up in the national draft, you plant him on the wing and for the next 15 years you smile as you see him get better and better, trust me, he is exactly the type of player we are screaming out for.

Yes I would love Sam Lalor, Finn O'Sullivan, Sid Draper but while we need class, we also need good skills and can you imagine him running down the wing passing the footy to one of our forwards? Not a mile over their head, not five metres in front of them but hitting them on the tit! Class, kicking skills and potential is what Will, Brady and Alastair will be focusing on I believe in this draft and what picks Brady can get us to get the players in question is going to be exciting and a feeling of nervous energy as we don't know the players we have targeted, yet.

 

[shinboner magic]

If he averaged more than 17 possessions a game, then I'd agree, but he doesn't.

Massive gamble at 2.


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Cyril didn’t average more than 17 either

 

[Sphynx]

If he averaged more than 17 possessions a game, then I'd agree, but he doesn't.

Massive gamble at 2.


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Well he did the year prior.

 

[JGreezy]

Bizarre take imo

We need another gun at pick 2. Nothing less. X factor is bollocks, just get the player who finds the pill and uses it well almost every time. Someone who thrives in the contest and keeps a calm head under duress.

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I disagree. Draft someone who has some outstanding, rare abilities and develop them.

I'd rather try to draft Charlie Curnow than Sam Walsh, at this point.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Pick 2 to Saints for pick 7 and a F1
And
Our F1 and 62 to GWS for 15,16 and 56.
Gives us 7, 15, 16 and 56 this year and take Stevens as a rookie.
Then we still have a 1st for next year and we get to death ride St.Kilda.
Who says no?

Me.

Try this; Trade Saints F1+62 for GWS's 15&16+56 and I'm on board.

Death rides are good and all, but can't really see us finishing above St. Fiddler next season.

--Then, the key trade is to Essington (after Tauru is taken at 5 by Demons)
7 + F2(20ish) for 28, 31 & 2xF1(12ish,14ish)

15=LHotton (injured gun)
16=XLindsay (Winger)
28=Hannaford (Small Forward)
31=KGerryn (CHF/Strong)
56=BBarrett(goal kicker w zip)
Rookie= StevoJr (tough,goals)

Still have Ours, Saints, Carlton's R1 picks for '25 to plug gaps, and potentially get Sharp.

Coming. List Balanced.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

If he averaged more than 17 possessions a game, then I'd agree, but he doesn't.

Massive gamble at 2.

Where did he play this year to average 17? Inside, wing, half forward?

 

[New_Roo]

Pick 2 to Saints for pick 7 and a F1
And
Our F1 and 62 to GWS for 15,16 and 56.
Gives us 7, 15, 16 and 56 this year and take Stevens as a rookie.
Then we still have a 1st for next year and we get to death ride St.Kilda.
Who says no?

GWS will as they need to be in this draft given their spots... they arent going to fill all with dfas


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[speedy]

I'm a big fan of F1 for Richmond's 10. I feel like it could suit both parties and is far from a trade that Richmond supporters could feel dogged about.
I get they might not want to buy they'd have to feel confident it will end up a top 5.

Pick 10 is unders for our f1.

Why shouldn’t the tigers take on any risk in this deal? If they want a very good chance at a top pick next year, then our f1 is their best bet. There is no way they are keeping their 8 picks this year. Sure, they could play safe and trade for a future pick in the 10-20 range next year after all the f/s and academy picks are all said and done. Or they can have a 90% chance of a pick between 1 and 5.

Our f1 is an absolute prize even though there is a small risk involved.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Pick 10 is unders for our f1.

Why shouldn’t the tigers take on any risk in this deal? If they want a very good chance at a top pick next year, then our f1 is their best bet. There is no way they are keeping their 8 picks this year. Sure, they could play safe and trade for a future pick in the 10-20 range next year after all the f/s and academy picks are all said and done. Or they can have a 90% chance of a pick between 1 and 5.

Our f1 is an absolute prize even though there is a small risk involved.

8 wins to get out of the bottom 4. There's no risk of us doing that, none. It's beyond silly to think next year is going to be a huge jump. yes we might play better and be more competitive (hopefully) but the risk is absolutely minimal.

 

[DunderHead]

Where did he play this year to average 17? Inside, wing, half forward?

I think each time he would come back from injury before he could get continuity in his game he’d get injured. Whatever his stats are for 2024 is likely influenced by this.

I could be wrong, but with a full run at the year he would have played a lot more consistent footy, more minutes, a more integral role in games and we would have seen both higher quality and quantity of output.

That’s what the prior year suggests.

 

[shinboner magic]

Me.

Try this; Trade Saints F1+62 for GWS's 15&16+56 and I'm on board.

Death rides are good and all, but can't really see us finishing above St. Fiddler next season.

--Then, the key trade is to Essington (after Tauru is taken at 5 by Demons)
7 + F2(20ish) for 28, 31 & 2xF1(12ish,14ish)

15=LHotton (injured gun)
16=XLindsay (Winger)
28=Hannaford (Small Forward)
31=KGerryn (CHF/Strong)
56=BBarrett(goal kicker w zip)
Rookie= StevoJr (tough,goals)

Still have Ours, Saints, Carlton's R1 picks for '25 to plug gaps, and potentially get Sharp.

Coming. List Balanced.

We only have 4 open spots on our list

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Pick 2 to Saints for pick 7 and a F1
And
Our F1 and 62 to GWS for 15,16 and 56.
Gives us 7, 15, 16 and 56 this year and take Stevens as a rookie.
Then we still have a 1st for next year and we get to death ride St.Kilda.
Who says no?

That F1 from StKilda could end up better than the F1 we're giving up.