Training 2024 Pre-Season

[CaptainRisky]

That was one painful era. Every kick, long to the flank, every time.

The opposition team would have been laughing to themselves, easiest kick in team to defend against of all time.

Come on give him some credit , he also did the occasional spin manoeuvre that always tricked everyone including himself

 

[saint66au]

Mitchito and Hammer did it in the preseason games

Didnt see Mitch contest one centre bounce ruck contest

 

[Otiman]

With Dougal out Sharman might be the ideal choice.

Can split his time between fwd, back, 2nd ruck and the bench.

Still leaves King, Membrey, Owens as the main key forwards

Sharman is a natural forward good for 2-3 goals a game, that's a 50 goal season if he's consistent.

Most importantly his conversion rate is massive. He will turn I50 marks into goals most of the time.

Swinging him all over the ground will lose us goals in the long run.

Look at how good Josh Battle is now that he's got a home.

 

[beside the seaside]

Sharman is a natural forward good for 2-3 goals a game, that's a 50 goal season if he's consistent.

Most importantly his conversion rate is massive. He will turn I50 marks into goals most of the time.

Swinging him all over the ground will lose us goals in the long run.

Look at how good Josh Battle is now that he's got a home.

Someone has to do the second ruck role. We don't have an obvious choice but Ro can't ruck 100% of the time. Judging off pre season it looks like it will be Owens.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Someone has to do the second ruck role. We don't have an obvious choice but Ro can't ruck 100% of the time. Judging off pre season it looks like it will be Owens.

Agree Owens will get the gig, because we really have no one else capable of it. Hayes might have become that but has been injury prone and Keeler has a lot of development before he is ready. Personally I would rather see Mitch played as a dynamic mid, but basically after the ruck contest he becomes one in any event. So he is our best and only reasonable option.

 

[saint66au]

Agree Owens will get the gig, because we really have no one else capable of it. Hayes might have become that but has been injury prone and Keeler has a lot of development before he is ready. Personally I would rather see Mitch played as a dynamic mid, but basically after the ruck contest he becomes one in any event. So he is our best and only reasonable option.

But did anyone actually see him take a centre bounce ruck in either of the practice matches? I didnt. Surely if hes the options we'd have seen it.

 

[beside the seaside]

But did anyone actually see him take a centre bounce ruck in either of the practice matches? I didnt. Surely if hes the options we'd have seen it.

He definitely was in there for a few in the North game. Kane Cornes was whinging about it.

 

[Saint Kidding]

But did anyone actually see him take a centre bounce ruck in either of the practice matches? I didnt. Surely if hes the options we'd have seen it.

Yes, in the Norf game. I didn't like it, but it did happen.
Campbell did his bit in the Essendon game. The problem with Cambell is he has limitations around the ground.

 

[FQFjt]

Agree Owens will get the gig, because we really have no one else capable of it. Hayes might have become that but has been injury prone and Keeler has a lot of development before he is ready. Personally I would rather see Mitch played as a dynamic mid, but basically after the ruck contest he becomes one in any event. So he is our best and only reasonable option.

Hayes is probably still our best option for this season if he can get fit.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Sharman is a natural forward good for 2-3 goals a game, that's a 50 goal season if he's consistent.

Most importantly his conversion rate is massive. He will turn I50 marks into goals most of the time.

Swinging him all over the ground will lose us goals in the long run.

Look at how good Josh Battle is now that he's got a home.

I rather see Sharman contesting the ruck than Owens.

Unless Wilkie, Battle and Cordy all play 100% TOG, someone will have to rotate through as a "tall defender" at some stage.

If you are giving that role to Sharman he may as well play the 2nd ruck role and leave Owens and Phillipou to rotate through the 3rd tall fwd, midfield position.

They are good for goals as well.

 

[BrutThough]

I rather see Sharman contesting the ruck than Owens.

Unless Wilkie, Battle and Cordy all play 100% TOG, someone will have to rotate through as a "tall defender" at some stage.

If you are giving that role to Sharman he may as well play the 2nd ruck role and leave Owens and Phillipou to rotate through the 3rd tall fwd, midfield position.

They are good for goals as well.

I can't recall a game where that has ever happened for just the standard rotations. The defenders will just shuffle match ups for the few minutes a game one of the KPDs isn't on the field, even if it means being outsized.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Will Jack Hayes ever play again???

 

[pebblesofsand]

I can't recall a game where that has ever happened for just the standard rotations. The defenders will just shuffle match ups for the few minutes a game one of the KPDs isn't on the field, even if it means being outsized.

Wilkie usually plays 100%, Howard and Battle usually less and Cordy even less.

Sharman has been used as a "fill in" defender on heaps of occasions.

But the issue is who do you want to fill in as 2nd ruck.

The only time I want to see Owens in the centre square is as a midfielder, not lined up in the ruck against someone like Mark Blicavs.

 

[Otiman]

Will Jack Hayes ever play again???

Like Jones, he will be a bonus and/or depth but don't build a team or gameplan around him.

 

[BrutThough]

Wilkie usually plays 100%, Howard and Battle usually less and Cordy even less.

Sharman has been used as a "fill in" defender on heaps of occasions.

But the issue is who do you want to fill in as 2nd ruck.

The only time I want to see Owens in the centre square is as a midfielder, not lined up in the ruck against someone like Mark Blicavs.

Sharman has played games as a defender. He hasn't been moved back to cover the key defenders being on the bench for their standard rotation.

 

[bergholt]

Sharman has played games as a defender. He hasn't been moved back to cover the key defenders being on the bench for their standard rotation.

Yeah agreed, that's never happened. They pick three tall backs and barring injuries those are the only three who play as key backs in a given game.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Sharman has played games as a defender. He hasn't been moved back to cover the key defenders being on the bench for their standard rotation.

He's been played back as and when required during games. Same as Membrey.

Again the question is not whether he's a backman - its what any players role is to be on any given day.

So if you prefer Owens being used as a 2nd ruck rather than moving Sharman from a fixed position as a tall forward that's fine.

My preference is the other way round because I think using Owens as a forward/mid rather than exclusively using Sharman as a fwd would be a better outcome for the team.

Even though they used Owens in the ruck last year, he still scored more as a fwd than Sharman. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[Saintbloke]

One of our problems identified from last season, was our inability to kick big enough scores. To take a goal kicker like Sharman out of the forward half to play in the ruck or whatever, would mean losing 30-50 goals -not ideal.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I don't think Sharman is a good option in the ruck. He's not a strong body, and he's not the ultra-competitor type you need as an under-sized ruck.

Maybe under the old rules, he would have been a good 3rd man up type when he could have a clean run and jump.

As much as we don't like it being Mitch he's the best option of the guys in the 23. He's competitive, strong, has a leap, and can follow up on the ground.

 

[BrutThough]

He's been played back as and when required during games. Same as Membrey.

Again the question is not whether he's a backman - its what any players role is to be on any given day.

So if you prefer Owens being used as a 2nd ruck rather than moving Sharman from a fixed position as a tall forward that's fine.

My preference is the other way round because I think using Owens as a forward/mid rather than exclusively using Sharman as a fwd would be a better outcome for the team.

Even though they used Owens in the ruck last year, he still scored more as a fwd than Sharman. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I prefer having Owens around the ball - even if thats as the 2nd ruck for a few minutes - than having Sharman there.

I don't have any stats to back it up but last season, it often felt like things happened when Owens went into the ruck because he was getting involved. I'm also not sure Sharman being in the ruck contest would improve our chances of winning, so no point having the better forward if we dont get it down to him. And while Owens is the better player, Sharman is a better kick at goal so having him forward isn't hurting our chances of scoring.

 

[littlecreatures]

He's been played back as and when required during games. Same as Membrey.

Again the question is not whether he's a backman - its what any players role is to be on any given day.

So if you prefer Owens being used as a 2nd ruck rather than moving Sharman from a fixed position as a tall forward that's fine.

My preference is the other way round because I think using Owens as a forward/mid rather than exclusively using Sharman as a fwd would be a better outcome for the team.

Even though they used Owens in the ruck last year, he still scored more as a fwd than Sharman. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Think you’re missing the point. Sharman’s played back (full time) to cover injuries, Membrey has swung back during swings or end of quarters to offer increased coverage/marking option to prevents scores. At no stage has either been utilized for the purpose of rotations. I’m not sure Sharman has the meat to be used as a 2nd ruck, but stranger things have happened.


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[stfan]

I prefer having Owens around the ball - even if thats as the 2nd ruck for a few minutes - than having Sharman there.

I don't have any stats to back it up but last season, it often felt like things happened when Owens went into the ruck because he was getting involved. I'm also not sure Sharman being in the ruck contest would improve our chances of winning, so no point having the better forward if we dont get it down to him. And while Owens is the better player, Sharman is a better kick at goal so having him forward isn't hurting our chances of scoring.

Yes fully agree.

Owens might lose the HO, but can still help us win the ball anyway.

I doubt Sharman will as he does not have Owen's inside game and physicality and that sheer Lenny Hayes like ability to win the contested ball.

I very much like Sharman as a player, but not as a regular "chop out" ruck. But yes he might have to take the occasional ruck contest due to lack of options.

 

[Froffinho]

Sincs, Windy and Pou trained today I’m told

 

[Imtellingya]

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Sincs, Windy and Pou trained today I’m told

and Butler and Hayes. No fluoro caps sighted today and good to see Dow getting some running blocks in.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Thanks for the updates Froffinho and Imtellingya

Must come down to Thursday's session now and conditioning.