Training 2024 Preseason Thread

[Mich0]

the guy stood up in the finals, in 2021 and last year.

p.s. you ignored my comment about Blease and Strauss.

Sparrow is a good player.

I’m not advocating for Blease / Strauss either so was confused why you mentioned them.

I am advocating for Goodwin to play blokes who win there position. Ie: Play Pickett on ball more.

Not a bloke who can’t win a clearance from 25 attempts when he should be breaking out by now.

The whole team stood up in 2021 final, even Tmac and Brown did.

 

[Lord Nev]

Sparrow was in 73% of CBas for a total of 0 clearances.

When is the bloke going to step up.

Not one clearance from 25 CBAs yet Goodwin will roll him out for our first CBA against Sydney no doubt. Any one in any other profession with a 0/25 hit rate would be sacked.

I have a feeling you might find that's part of the centre bounce setup.

Both Sparrow and ANB are capable of winning clearances, both had 0 despite being in there for a lot of them. Viney, Kozzy and Trac seemed to be the main 'see ball, get ball' centre bounce players. Remember when we used to have the problem of every mid trying to win it?

There's also the potential that, like a fair few games last year, we don't place a premium on winning every centre bounce, but rather trying to setup by rebounding.

Plus, you know, Gawn only played a half.

There's sometimes a lot more to the story than the simplistic things you post.

 

[danster168]

I’m not advocating for Blease / Strauss either so was confused why you mentioned them.

because they were high-ish picks that were picked up due to having clean disposals. but they failed because they lacked the necessary competitiveness. Something that Sparrow has in spades.


You need to look at what a player can do instead of what they can't do. Sparrow is competitive, powerful, fast, strong, defensively minded, a leader, a decent kick and has had big clutch moments in big games.

 

[Mich0]

I have a feeling you might find that's part of the centre bounce setup.

Both Sparrow and ANB are capable of winning clearances, both had 0 despite being in there for a lot of them. Viney, Kozzy and Trac seemed to be the main 'see ball, get ball' centre bounce players. Remember when we used to have the problem of every mid trying to win it?

There's also the potential that, like a fair few games last year, we don't place a premium on winning every centre bounce, but rather trying to setup by rebounding.

Plus, you know, Gawn only played a half.

There's sometimes a lot more to the story than the simplistic things you post.

Even Willem Drew can get a few clearances a match when in there with Butters/Rozee/JHF.

0 from 25 is unacceptable.

 

[Lord Nev]

Even Willem Drew can get a few clearances a match when in there with Butters/Rozee/JHF.

0 from 25 is unacceptable.

Read my post properly.

 

[Mich0]

Read my post properly.

Your post doesn’t explain how anyone can have 0 from 25.

If you are insinuating he is playing a negating role then we are already admitting defeat as he would just always be chasing an opponent around.

Might as well bring just back Jordie McKenzie if we want to go down that path. Top of the table teams shouldn’t need to have negating players at 25 CBAs who can’t get a clearance themself.

These blokes didn’t even have the A team in Taranto, Prestia and Dusty in the guts either today, it was 0 from 25 against there B team.

 

[Lord Nev]

Your post doesn’t explain how anyone can have 0 from 25.

It literally does.

Read it.

 

[Mich0]

It literally does.

Read it.

No it’s mish mash of unsubstantiated theories. Specifically claiming Petracca and Kozzie were our main ball winners despite spending way less time at CBAs than Sparrow did.

And choosing to lose clearances? Really? When we have a 6 time AA in the ruck? But yeah let’s lose CBas so we can rebound instead of taking it straight down the guts to an open 6 v 6 f50. Let’s let the opposition flood our F50 instead.

Gawn playing half a game has nothing to do with Sparrow failing to get a clearance either.

 

[Lord Nev]

Clarry, Salem, Woey, Spargo, Hunter and Brayshaw all likely to play next week.

 

[Crusty Demon]

We've seen enough of Sparrow to suggest he's only ever going to be a meh player. Should be dominating these types of games now. Borderline best 22.

Kynan Brown showed signs. Was happy with how he looked. Billings locked in a spot for first game. Viney looks primed as always. Outside of that, wasn't much to hang our hats on.

Windsor was ok. I maintained the concern with him is skill. He moves well. He's quick and already has a pretty solid AFL body, but his skills look to let him down. And that showed today. He's gonna have to improve that kick of his to justify going high in the draft.

Another major concern was the ground ball in defence. Still horrible. Opposition get way too many scores from ground level balls. Other concern was our ball movement. We tried to get that handball thing through the middle happening, but skills let us down badly. And I don't see that improving drastically with the list we have. Tigers looked much more watchable and exciting than we did. I can see us going back to the unwatchable defence slogs pretty quickly in the season. Huge improvement needed against Carlton because Tigers look a bottom 4 side to me.

 

[Lord Nev]

No it’s mish mash of unsubstantiated theories. Specifically claiming Petracca and Kozzie were our main ball winners despite spending way less time at CBAs than Sparrow did.

Gawn playing half a game has nothing to do with Sparrow failing to get a clearance either.

No, the first part is about roles. You've pretty clearly not understood that. Maybe you're too young to remember 'bees to the honeypot' in relation to the Dees.

You must have also missed the numerous games last year where we experimented with more rebounding footy and got well beaten in centre clearances.

Lol missing our only good ruckman doesn't impact us winning centre clearances? Righto.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Sparrow was in 73% of CBas for a total of 0 clearances.

When is the bloke going to step up.

Not one clearance from 25 CBAs yet Goodwin will roll him out for our first CBA against Sydney no doubt. Any one in any other profession with a 0/25 hit rate would be sacked.

Sparrow was ordinary today.

Such a nothing player who I'm still trying to work out what exactly he adds to this team. He got murdered in the clearences and I saw nothing today that suggests he's improved at all.

But like always, I'm sure the coaches will find ways he get carried week in week out.

 

[Mich0]

No, the first part is about roles. You've pretty clearly not understood that. Maybe you're too young to remember 'bees to the honeypot' in relation to the Dees.

You must have also missed the numerous games last year where we experimented with more rebounding footy and got well beaten in centre clearances.

Lol missing our only good ruckman doesn't impact us winning centre clearances? Righto.

He doesn’t need to be a bee to the honeypot to get clearance…he can take the outside and distribute it but he is shit at that too. Hence he adds nothing.

If he has to rely on a 6x AA ruckman to be playing to get a single clearance against the B team of a bottom 6 club then we are ****ed.

 

[Lord Nev]

Some concerns today, but let's keep in perspective - Gawn missed a half, and we had no Oliver, Salem, Brayshaw, Hunter, Melksham, McAdam and Petty who would all be in our normal best 23. That's 1/3 of the team.

I'll hold fire until there's some real season evidence.

Got belted by the Dogs in the 2021 preseason.

 

[Lord Nev]

He doesn’t need to be a bee to the honeypot to get clearance…he can take the outside and distribute it but he is s**t at that too. Hence he adds nothing.

If he has to rely on a 6x AA ruckman to be playing to get a single clearance against the B team of a bottom 6 club then we are ****ed.

Imma tap out, cos every reply you've made illustrates you don't understand the point at all. In fact, I'm not sure you even know what a clearance is after reading that first sentence.

 

[Mich0]

Imma tap out, cos every reply you've made illustrates you don't understand the point at all. In fact, I'm not sure you even know what a clearance is after reading that first sentence.

Classic arguments of the defeated. Cya

 

[Mich0]

Some concerns today, but let's keep in perspective - Gawn missed a half, and we had no Oliver, Salem, Brayshaw, Hunter, Melksham, McAdam and Petty who would all be in our normal best 23. That's 1/3 of the team.

I'll hold fire until there's some real season evidence.

Got belted by the Dogs in the 2021 preseason.

They were missing as many, if not more.

 

[Lord Nev]

They were missing as many, if not more.

Yep, they were missing some important players also. But my point is, I'm not taking a lot out of today too seriously, good or bad, given the amount of players missing. It's a 7 quarter practice match in February.

I'd be more worried if we were busting out guts trying to win the preseason or AFLX again because we knew we wouldn't achieve anything when the real thing starts.

Plenty to work on from today, and that's the whole point of practice.

 

[stEdy]

This is going to be a long season if you blokes keep whinging about some phantom picks in the 30s we didnt take.

 

[Macka1203]

did tholstrup play in the B team? if he did how did he go?

I remember a month ago all the talk was on him and it’s seemed to have flipped to windsor now

 

[Lord Nev]

did tholstrup play in the B team? if he did how did he go?

I remember a month ago all the talk was on him and it’s seemed to have flipped to windsor now

He did. Only saw the first quarter of that part so others will give more insight, but in that quarter he was not out of place physically, but a bit scrappy.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Shouldn't read too much out of a praccy match but it does concern me.

 

[danster168]

Tigers were missing Nankervis, Taranto, Dusty, Grimes, Baker, Lynch and Prestia. so 6-7 of their best 10 players.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

This is going to be a long season if you blokes keep whinging about some phantom picks in the 30s we didnt take.

I'm here for it

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I find it very hard to believe that Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor didn't rate any pick after pick 20 yet all the other clubs found 40 other players that they rated higher that Kynan Brown who was fantastic today. Should've cut Ben Brown and Tom Mcdonald and breathed some fresh air into the list by hitting the draft harder. But sure, let's run with Schache, Billings, Ben Brown and TMac.

The rest I get, but naming Billings here is weird. He absolutely justified trading away a late pick going off what we saw today.