USA 2024 Presidential Election. Harris Concedes. God Help America

[Not Important]

I wonder who them Dems can put up in 2028 who knows what they're talking about with economics but are also offering change from the status quo. Bernie is too old. I like Merkley but he'll probably also be too old. Maybe Gallego or Pritzker.

love it to be pete buttigieg. he's awesome. but if the yanks baulked at a black woman, they ain’t about to go for a gay guy.

 

[Bloods86]

Maybe they could try having real primaries instead of just annointing someone

The best candidate emerges from the primaries

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They do, just as much as the Republicans.

Maybe go educate yourself on primaries, and that both parties have processes for when a candidate withdraws. These weren't circumvented.

Republicans cancelled some of their state primaries in 2020 to anoint Trump.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

They do, just as much as the Republicans.

Maybe go educate yourself on primaries, and that both parties have processes for when a candidate withdraws. These weren't circumvented.

Republicans cancelled some of their state primaries in 2020 to anoint Trump.

I was talking about the process from which Biden emerged as presumptive nominee, it was far from competitive

Maybe go educate yourself on how to read comments properly

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[Present Not Past]

Maybe they could try having real primaries instead of just annointing someone

The best candidate emerges from the primaries

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Yes. That was the Democrat’s biggest stuff up this election cycle - pretend primaries, with the winner dropping out.
It’s a disgrace now that they are turning on Harris and Walz.
Idiots.

 

[faible]

I wonder who them Dems can put up in 2028 who knows what they're talking about with economics but are also offering change from the status quo. Bernie is too old. I like Merkley but he'll probably also be too old. Maybe Gallego or Pritzker.

Most of the top-line candidates realised with such a short run in due to Biden refusing to drop out, they were better off backing Harris and letting her run.

Someone like Newsom might like their chances, he's a great talker, has a more liberal record that would represent a very clear and distinct change from the current Democrats, and very much from the Republicans.

But he's a Californian.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Regarding the video, it never ceases to amaze me that any member of the working class who is voting on the economy thinks that a rich person who spent his last term giving tax cuts to other rich people is exactly what is needed to make their lives better. If that's what the backlash of ignored average working class people is economically, then the US has failed miserably at educating its people on economics.

Something I felt wasn't talked about enough during this election (mainly the fault of the Harris campaign) is how Trump's mass increases of tariffs is likely to exacerbate the cost of living crisis, not reduce it, because of how much the US imports cheap goods from China. I wonder if Trump will actually go through with it, given the short-term effect it will have.

Some have likely never heard about Trumps tax cuts to the rich as their media is significantly (and somehow) more screwed than ours. Seriously. If you've been to the southern US states you'll see it for yourself.

Even across the US as a whole, Kamala received significantly less coverage than Trump. And you bet when Trump is on screen, they will not show anything negative unless it is something that really cannot be ignored such as the insurrection.

And for the working class Trump supporters that have heard about some of the controversial things he's done, they probably don't care. Some parts of the conservative states are like a different world. One difference from us is how fanatical they are about religion. Imagine instead of seeing a billboard for The Fox or KIIS101 on the freeway you see a dozen Christian radio billboards.

 

[Bloods86]

I wonder who them Dems can put up in 2028 who knows what they're talking about with economics but are also offering change from the status quo. Bernie is too old. I like Merkley but he'll probably also be too old. Maybe Gallego or Pritzker.

Don't need to be an economist, just break it down and show trickle down economics doesn't work. Be ready to call out your own party for it too.

Buttigieg, Jon Ossoff, Wes Moore, Andy Beshear, AOC, Jared Polis etc. Obviously some more populist than others.

Buttigieg/AOC I think would represent the best campaign ticket for change and fronting up against conservative talking points.

Whitmer probably amongst it due to experience, though not really a change candidate.

Newsom can stay out please.

 

[Bloods86]

I was talking about the process from which Biden emerged as presumptive nominee, it was far from competitive

Maybe go educate yourself on how to read comments properly

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I read it properly.

No-one with any clout challenged him.

If Newsom or Harris or even Bernie had challenged him, it wouldn't have been such a predictable process. Bernie would have been up against it, but not like the other fringe names who were running.

 

[raskolnikov]

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Someone like Newsom might like their chances, he's a great talker, has a more liberal record that would represent a very clear and distinct change from the current Democrats, and very much from the Republicans.

In what way is he representing change though? He seems like a social liberal but economically he seems like a regular neoliberal who is chummy with the business lobby.

 

[Bloods86]

Imagine instead of seeing a billboard for The Fox or KIIS101 on the freeway you see a dozen Christian radio billboards.

In among all the billboards advertising accident/injury lawyers and healthcare clinics/hospitals as businesses.

 

[Bloods86]

In what way is he representing change though? He seems like a social liberal but economically he seems like a regular neoliberal who is chummy with the business lobby.

Newsom running would be vomit inducing.

Better than Vance, Vivek, DeSantis, but still, it's a recipe for another beating.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Some have likely never heard about Trumps tax cuts to the rich as their media is significantly (and somehow) more screwed than ours. Seriously. If you've been to the southern US states you'll see it for yourself.

I'm a little scared to set foot there, given the number of guns and untreated mental illnesses.

And for the working class Trump supporters that have heard about some of the controversial things he's done, they probably don't care.

Of course they don't. I used to know a poor and deeply Christian man. When I asked him why he liked Trump despite his decidedly unchristlike behaviour, I got the reply that Trump is a showman and didn't really mean the stuff he said about women and disabled people and military veterans, he was just hamming it up for the cameras, but he did mean all the stuff he said about abortion and the family and draining the swamp.

Basically, the right will excuse anything short of child abuse if they think the politician is on their side and will fight their culture wars effectively. This is nowhere near as common on the left, who are much more likely to turn into a circular firing squad if someone speaks insensitively or there's a whiff of a scandal. For example, the Greens just axed one of their Victorian MPs for having a consensual relationship with one of his staffers, whereas Barnaby Joyce had a baby with his staffer while still married to his wife and remained a Nationals MP. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but it's interesting.

Some parts of the conservative states are like a different world. One difference from us is how fanatical they are about religion. Imagine instead of seeing a billboard for The Fox or KIIS101 on the freeway you see a dozen Christian radio billboards.

I wonder what keeps these people so religious when Christian fervour has declined across the rest of the Western World. It's easy to just ascribe it to culture or history, but I'd point to Ireland as an example of a country that also had a deeply religious culture and history but has still modernised socially and become less devout. The child abuse scandals rocked a lot of people's faith elsewhere, but I take it this didn't happen to anywhere near the same extent in most of the US?

 

[adammania9]

So your not going to refute anything I said merely deflect to assumptions that Trump will be better. It shouldn't matter.

Respect the Democratic process. Americans elected Trump because he will run the country better, not because they hate blacks, women, poor people, etc

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Maybe they could try having real primaries instead of just annointing someone

The best candidate emerges from the primaries

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Yeah, I remember when the Democrat primary contenders for the '92 election were derisively referred to by Bush Sr's team as "The Seven Dwarfs". Once the dust had cleared, Clinton emerged, battle-hardened, ready for the big fight.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Buttigieg/AOC I think would represent the best campaign ticket for change and fronting up against conservative talking points.

There are very clearly a lot of American people, mostly men, who don't like women leaders in general, especially women who are young, or mouthy, or preachy, or not white. AOC is a perfect storm for these people. I value her as a voice on the left and willing to discuss genuinely progressive ideas for change, but I just can't see her turning a state like Georgia blue. She'll annoy too many people. Whitmer I suppose would be less infuriating to these people, but less inspiring too.

 

[Bloods86]

Respect the Democratic process. Americans elected Trump because he will run the country better, not because they hate blacks, women, poor people, etc

So you thought Biden was the better option and would run the country better, when the democratic process elected him in 2020?

You can respect the democratic process and result, while still thinking the electorate got it wrong and pondering motives. Only someone without any actual views/principles would say otherwise.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Americans elected Trump because he will run the country better, not because they hate blacks, women, poor people, etc

How do you know that, though? A lot of them do feel they're being disregarded in favour of these other groups. And some Trump supporters have said some very telling lines revealing their real motivations:

“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud

A Trump voter hurt by the shutdown reveals the real reason the president attracts hardcore supporters.

www.vox.com

 

[adammania9]

So you thought Biden was the better option and would run the country better, when the democratic process elected him in 2020?

You can respect the democratic process and result, while still thinking the electorate got it wrong and pondering motives. Only someone without any actual views/principles would say otherwise.

Nah just someone with some sense. The US and more importantly world is in better hands

 

[fs88]

We are just lucky the Liberal Party do not have anyone capable of forming a cult of personality around themselves. They are all charisma vacuums.

Eventually what has happened to the US will happen to us, probably as soon as the next federal election. Like you said, the average voter only votes based on the state of their wallet. If they feel the currently elected party is responsible for things such as lower income, higher taxes and inflation (even though none of these may even be true or even the fault of the party), they will vote them out.

Abbott & Morrison have the Charisma of the turd I made last night but they still got elected, so I won’t put it past the Australian voters to vote in Dutton too.

The frustrating thing with the overall population is they’re addicted to short term sugar hits. No liberal/republican/right wing government has ever implemented any type of policy that has improved the standard of living.

• Promise the world
• Get elected
• Don’t deliver and get voted out
• Re-promise the world
• Rinse and repeat

 

[Father Jack]

Seeings as Americans can't seem to differentiate a celebrity from the character they play on TV, maybe the Dems could try something from that playbook? Does anyone know what Robert Downey Jr's politics are like? I mean he pretends to be a billionaire superhero in the movies so he'd probably be a shoo-in come election day

 

[Bloods86]

Nah just someone with some sense. The US and more importantly world is in better hands

Hey now, have some respect for the democratic process.

With your logic, Biden would run the country better given he won in 2020.

Repeating "Trump better" is all you can do.

 

[adammania9]

How do you know that, though? A lot of them do feel they're being disregarded in favour of these other groups. And some Trump supporters have said some very telling lines revealing their real motivations:

“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud

A Trump voter hurt by the shutdown reveals the real reason the president attracts hardcore supporters.

www.vox.com

Should say everything that these supposedly affected groups are swaying red due to inaction by the Democrats. Democrats have one interest which is pander to minority groups and bully them into picking their side by promising action that does not happen. But some Australians on an online forum who have not spent more than a month in the US in their life reckon they've all got it wrong?

 

[adammania9]

Hey now, have some respect for the democratic process.

With your logic, Biden would run the country better given he won in 2020.

Repeating "Trump better" is all you can do.

I supported that idea in 2020, and he got four years and failed. That's why Trump is back.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Another vague generalist paragraph from Adam. Who are these bullies? I want to know.