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2024 Rolling ALL-Australian Team
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Yeah usually …. But I think FF is the prime position in the AA team
As much as I'd love all 3 Hawthorn players to make it, I'm not a fan of this methodology.
AA is purely an individual award - teams don't need to be "rewarded" IMO.
A player's season/impact/effectiveness should not be measured by how good his teammates are(which in a sport where you are 1 out of 44 in the game, will always be the case when judging an individual by team performance).
Agreed. It was like that year something like 6 or 7 Geelong players made the AA team. I don't care how successful Geelong were that year. They did not have 35% of the best players in the competition.
9 I think.
Liam Ryan did not take one kick out this year from memory.
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Zorko....Weitering...Sicily (vc)
Blakey...McGovern..Sheezel
Gulden...Cripps......N.Daicos
Warner...Cameron..Bontempelli (c)
Moore....Hogan......Horne-Francis
Gawn.....Heeney....Neale
Butters...Serong...Merrett..Curnow
Blakey...McGovern..Sheezel
Gulden...Cripps......N.Daicos
Warner...Cameron..Bontempelli (c)
Moore....Hogan......Horne-Francis
Gawn.....Heeney....Neale
Butters...Serong...Merrett..Curnow
I mentioned it on the Nick Daicos thread but it is relevant here too.
I wish that Champion Data released all their stats to the public. There is no reason they shouldn't either as they are basically owned by the AFL and I think if we had access to all the stats it would elevate the discussion here a lot. We all know we are only getting a small fraction of the data that is actually being made, drip fed just enough to have a discussion but not being able to go into too much depth.
I for one think disposals is a terrible stat for determining how good a player has been as all that says is the player can find the ball, but it makes no mention of how effective that player is with the ball, or how much of a benefit that is to the team of said player. I think we can all agree the Crouch brothers getting 40 disposals would not be the same as someone like Pendlebury getting 40 disposals, and yet they look the same on the stats sheet.
The stat I wish was around, and should be around as Champion Data collect all the information necessary for it to exist is "effective metres gained". I think that stat would be so much more useful than disposals in telling us which players are actually damaging when they get the ball and which ones just pad out their stats while achieving very little.
I wish that Champion Data released all their stats to the public. There is no reason they shouldn't either as they are basically owned by the AFL and I think if we had access to all the stats it would elevate the discussion here a lot. We all know we are only getting a small fraction of the data that is actually being made, drip fed just enough to have a discussion but not being able to go into too much depth.
I for one think disposals is a terrible stat for determining how good a player has been as all that says is the player can find the ball, but it makes no mention of how effective that player is with the ball, or how much of a benefit that is to the team of said player. I think we can all agree the Crouch brothers getting 40 disposals would not be the same as someone like Pendlebury getting 40 disposals, and yet they look the same on the stats sheet.
The stat I wish was around, and should be around as Champion Data collect all the information necessary for it to exist is "effective metres gained". I think that stat would be so much more useful than disposals in telling us which players are actually damaging when they get the ball and which ones just pad out their stats while achieving very little.
Yes, they're all very similar.
Yes.
Champion Data’s 2024 All-Australian team
FB: Nick Blakey (SYD) / Sam Collins (GCS) / Dan Houston (PA)
HB: Jack Sinclair (STK) / Jeremy McGovern (WCE) / Bailey Dale (WB)
C: Errol Gulden (SYD) / Patrick Cripps (CAR) / Massimo D’Ambrosio (HAW)
HF: Hayden Young (FRE) / Aaron Naughton (WB) / Harry Sheezel (NM)
FF: Brent Daniels (GWS) / Jesse Hogan (GWS) / Tyson Stengle (GEE)
FOL: Max Gawn (MEL) / Marcus Bontempelli (WB) / Isaac Heeney (SYD)
I/C: Zak Butters (PA) / Sam Flanders (GCS) / Max Holmes (GEE) / Dylan Moore (HAW) / Caleb Serong (FRE)
No need for anyone to reply to me, it's not my team.
My team
FB Zorko, Andrews, McGovern
HB Sheezel, Weitering, Whitfield
C Gulden, Cripps, Merrett (VC)
HF Warner, J.Cameron, Heeney
FF Waterman, Hogan, Moore
R Xerri, Bontempelli (C), Neale
Int N.Daicos, Butters, Treloar, Curnow
FB Zorko, Andrews, McGovern
HB Sheezel, Weitering, Whitfield
C Gulden, Cripps, Merrett (VC)
HF Warner, J.Cameron, Heeney
FF Waterman, Hogan, Moore
R Xerri, Bontempelli (C), Neale
Int N.Daicos, Butters, Treloar, Curnow
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In the same regard I want to see more of stats like assisted metres gained. I actually dont care if an inside mid like Rowell or Libba is getting the ball out backwards if its effectively getting in the hands of a better user on the outside who then effectively gets the ball forward.
Or +/- scores to show who is actually having big impacts when on the field or on the ball.
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Huge agreement here. I think they should make the scores for each individual act that contributes to a player rating available. I think the methodology behind it is interesting, but just having one catch-all black-box rating leads to people mistrusting the rating. If each individual item was listed, then they could be sliced and diced however people want to to compare who has the most damaging disposal, who wins the most valuable contested ball, etc. And we wouldn't be limited to once-a-week insight from a bloke on SEN to understand it.
Another simple thing I wish was available, especially with the 6-6-6 rule now enforced, is recording of the starting position of ALL players at each centre bounce. We have CBAs, so why can't we have FBAs, BBAs and WBAs? This stat could then be applied to the All Australian team, where you say any forward selected needs to have x% of FBAs, and the wing position requires x% WBAs.
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Ryan aves
More tackles
More intercepts
More defensive half pressure acts
More score launches
More metres gained with Less disposals
Nearly triple the spoils and one percenters
A lot of those are great traits of a back pocket and most of them have nothing to do with kick ins
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Yeah, yeah... Great stats...
But he isn't one of the six best backmen in the AFL
Sicily >>>>>>> Ryan
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Actually a lot of those stats have to do with kick ins, like metres gained
Ryan averaged the most kick ins in the league with 6.2 per game.
Dale is rank 6 for general defenders (below those that also played midfield if still classified as defenders) in player ratings points. Ryan is rank 15.
Dale averages 5.5 contested possessions a game, Ryan 4.1. That difference matters.
Dale averages 3.7 turnovers per game, Ryan 4.0. That difference matters
Dale kicked 5 goals across the season, Ryan kicked 0. That difference matters in terms of adding value to the team.
Dale had 39 coaches votes, Ryan had 24.
Ryan might have had more tackles, but Dale had more pressure acts etc...
Dale's kicking was far more critical in breaking the game open and especially in challenging areas, evidenced by Dale's 2.7 inside 50's per game vs. Ryan's 1.0.
Those stats for Ryan only look better ... because he was far more often playing on the last line of defence, where it's much more easier to hit targets under less pressure, and the successful movement of the ball (which Dale was just as successful) is less valuable because it isn't driving the ball in the attacking half of the ground, or at the very least beyond the own defensive area, as much as Dale. Plus the 5 goals to 0 in the season.
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So Ryan was playing more on the last line of defence.
Where on the field is back pocket?
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Yeah...
But they don't provide the breakdown of each action do they?
Like in the guidelines for the player ratings they give this example of Lewis Jetta in the 2012 GF:
I've never seen anything like this available to the public though.
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If you're being so pedantic about the definition of a back pocket against a half-back flanker, the entire excercise doesn't make sense, because in the squad of 44 they didn't pick 2 of role x, role y, role z. They didn't pick 4 back pockets for a first picked 22 and a second picked 22 in the 44 for goodness sake.
Would've had Newman in the squad ahead of Curnow or McKay. Severely underrated.
Weitering isn't ranked elite in any of the 5 key categories the experts are analysing.
Your missing a space between new and man.
