List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 16th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3star K 5.8 2star HB 5.4 4star M 2.7 3star T 3.2 5star MG 179.2 3star D 8.1 2star K 4.9 2star HB 3.3 2star M 2.0 2star T 2.6 4star MG 144.9 3star D 9.0 3star K 3.8 2star HB 5.2 4star M 0.8 1star T 3.8 5star MG 160.2 3star , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.4 4star M 2.8 3star T 2.9 4star CL 1.4 4star D 12.7 3star K 9.2 4star HB 3.5 2star M 3.0 3star T 2.7 4star CL 1.8 4star D 9.2 3star K 4.6 2star HB 4.6 4star M 2.0 3star T 2.6 4star CL 0.0 1star , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Caracas]

you know what im sick of? Having an 18 year (19 next season) jet stuck at half back because he can hit a target. I want that jet doing damage up the ground. You saw 5 or 6 bounces from the back pocket.. i wanna see that through the middle with a shot on goal.

Is pick 25 going to release that? **** NO. Caleb Daniel will.

Now, this is the Duck we all like!

 

[chubbspeterson]

the deal we at least should have done if we were going through with the stupidity of losing 25 for daniel is the saints pick swap with lions
they used 27 we could have used 25
Pick swap: St Kilda trade pick 27 to Brisbane for #32 & #45

then could have traded 32 for daniel
and held 45

Sure. Other options could have been GWS 37 and 53/56. Bombres 31 and 40/46 potentially.
But whether the Dogs would have actually accepted a pick in the 30's for a contracted Daniel, I doubt that.
They already had pick 35, so would another 31/32/37 mean all that much to them?

 

[Passmore]

Deals we should have done that were never going to work….

 

[Kanga Glory]

So the port Adelaide footy manger said Houston didn't want to go to North, this morning his manger Paul Connors said he would have gone to North and they didn't have the best offer.
Me believe the footy manager, Connors is a big shot who thinks he runs the draft week and would blacklist clubs if he didn't get what his player was wanting

 

[chubbspeterson]

So the port Adelaide footy manger said Houston didn't want to go to North, this morning his manger Paul Connors said he would have gone to North and they didn't have the best offer.
Me believe the footy manager, Connors is a big shot who thinks he runs the draft week and would blacklist clubs if he didn't get what his player was wanting

Twomey said our offer was 13 (off GC) and 44. So that is worse if true than 13, 29, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins.

 

[Kanga Glory]

Twomey said our offer was 13 (off GC) and 44. So that is worse if true than 13, 29, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story
Rory Atkins would actually even that draft difference out a negative in

 

[DuckYeah]

Twomey said our offer was 13 (off GC) and 44. So that is worse if true than 13, 29, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins.

Is it worse than our future first? Wasn’t that on the table for poorta? Anyway it doesn’t matter, im happy with our retirement village of leadership

 

[Themanbun]

Twomey said our offer was 13 (off GC) and 44. So that is worse if true than 13, 29, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins.

Didn't Port also give up a first rounder

 

[LB2Snake]

So the port Adelaide footy manger said Houston didn't want to go to North, this morning his manger Paul Connors said he would have gone to North and they didn't have the best offer.
Me believe the footy manager, Connors is a big shot who thinks he runs the draft week and would blacklist clubs if he didn't get what his player was wanting

Connors does run the draft. I’m not a fan, but he runs the show. Way too much power.

 

[shinboner magic]

 

[chubbspeterson]

Didn't Port also give up a first rounder

Yeah for Luko.

 

[DuckYeah]

He’s not wrong

 

[Sphynx]

But it does give some context that giving up this pick is not giving up a certain gun, it’s giving up the CHANCE to pick up a gun.

And as the history of pick 25 shows, and I assume if you looked at most of the pick selections in round 2 and 3 would be the same, it’s bloody hard to pick good players outside the first round. No club nails it consistently.

Inverse argument also applies.

Just because a player was a level at their previous club, doesn’t guarantee you that player coming here, particularly stepping into a bottom 4 club.

We have countless of examples.

It’s not failsafe either

 

[chubbspeterson]

Is it worse than our future first? Wasn’t that on the table for poorta? Anyway it doesn’t matter, im happy with our retirement village of leadership

I haven't actually listened to it, just going off what Giantroo posted earlier. Our F1 gets us GC 13 and 23/29?
Apparently 13 and 44 was our offer to Port for Houston, where Pies had the 29 included with Richards.

 

[DuckYeah]

Inverse argument also applies.

Just because a player was a level at their previous club, doesn’t guarantee you that player coming here, particularly stepping into a bottom 4 club.

We have countless of examples.

It’s not failsafe either

 

[DuckYeah]

I haven't actually listened to it, just going off what Giantroo posted earlier. Our F1 I'm guessing for GC 13 and 23/29?
Apparently 13 and 44 was our offer to Port for Houston, where Pies had the 29 included with Richards.

They wanted a pick in this years draft, Personally I would have taken our future first and death rode it.. im a sucker for a death ride

 

[Themanbun]

Yeah for Luko.

Yikes

 

[zoomba23]

Inverse argument also applies.

Just because a player was a level at their previous club, doesn’t guarantee you that player coming here, particularly stepping into a bottom 4 club.

We have countless of examples.

It’s not failsafe either

What do we have a fair bit of? Young talent born between 2002-2005.

What don't we have a fair bit of? Senior heads to guide, calm, support that young talent (and our older talent, come to think of it) and play some ok footy while they're at it.

It's not failsafe, but at least it's a shot at addressing a lethal deficiency that all in Sunbury can see is crippling the club

 

[JGreezy]

I'd say that it needs to be 8 wins with a clear path to 14+ wins in coming years.

As in, we win 8 but we still have way more development and our picks this year and guys like Dawson, Duursma, Goad show that they could be future players.

 

[joegreen]

Connors does run the draft. I’m not a fan, but he runs the show. Way too much power.

Genuine question. How? What can he control in the draft?

 

[Istanbul Roo]

No use crying over spilt milk as it’s done now.
But if Hannaford is there at 25 - someone will feel my wrath.

And yet Hannaford may very well be a dud ...

 

[Horace]

Herald Sun's take on our trades.

IN: Jack Darling (West Coast), Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs), Luke Parker (Sydney), Jacob Konstanty (Sydney)
OUT: Nil
2024 PICKS: 2, 62
2025 PICKS: No change
Brady Rawlings started the trade period wanting four players and he got four players, just not the best one he wanted. Dan Houston is missing from North Melbourne’s plans, with Jacob Konstanty thrown in late. The Roos didn’t want to dip too far into their draft hand – they put a full hand in like a kid reaching into a showbag. Now they surely have to split pick two and gain a better footprint. How does Jack Darling help? Luke Parker has been brought in for experience, Caleb Daniel couldn’t make it work this year at the Dogs and Konstanty was about to be cut. It may be harsh but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better and now they don’t have much draft capital left.
RATING: 3.5/10

Ah the fiction newspaper. What would they know?

 

[LB2Snake]

Genuine question. How? What can he control in the draft?

He made all those deals happen yesterday. Got the extra out of Geelong, stitched up the Stringer deal, Houston……..clubs are wary of pissing him off. He holds too much power.

 

[Sphynx]

What do we have a fair bit of? Young talent born between 2002-2005.

What don't we have a fair bit of? Senior heads to guide, calm, support that young talent (and our older talent, come to think of it) and play some ok footy while they're at it.

It's not failsafe, but at least it's a shot at addressing a lethal deficiency that all in Sunbury can see is crippling the club

So it’s the young players letting the side down from inexperience with the senior players guiding and leading the way?

I expect that was reflected in the Syd with all of LMAC, Simpkin, Corr, Tucker, Zurhaar, Larkey dominating?

Our main issues are our senior players for the most part aren’t good footballers. Luke Parker won’t change that conundrum.

In fact our best 6-7 players this season were pretty much all 24 or under.

How much more are we expecting them to carry this side?

 

[DuckYeah]

So it’s the young players letting the side down from inexperience with the senior players guiding and leading the way?

Our senior players dont know how to win or steady the ship. The senior players in fact asked for this exact scenario. They themselves identified they can’t do it.