List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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PicksClubsResult
15-10-24 - Pick TradeStKilda & BrisbaneBrisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick
St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & EssendonMelbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick
Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & AdelaideAdelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick
Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick TradeBrisbane & RichmondRichmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20)
Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & BrisbaneCarlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick
Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & HawthornCarlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick
Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks


PlayerOriginal ClubTrade/FANew ClubResult
Daniel RioliRichmondTradeGold CoastGold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli, R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks
Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai BoltonRichmondTradeFremantleFremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton, R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick.
Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry SharpBrisbane & MelbourneTradeMelbourneMelbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane)
Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston
Jack Lukosius
Joe Richards
Rory Atkins
John Noble		Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Collingwood
Gold Coast
Collingwood		TradeCollingwood
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast		Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins
Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39)
Collingwood receive Dan Houston, PA R4(58)
Matt Owies
Liam Baker		Carlton & RichmondTradeWest CoastRound 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton
Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond
Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE
Liam Baker to WCE
Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac CummingGWSUFAAdelaideEnd of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh BattleSt KildaUFAHawthornRound 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom CampbellSt KildaDFAMelbourneNo Compensation
Harry PerrymanGWSUFACollingwoodRound 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott HimmelbergAdelaideUFAGold CoastNo Compensation
Nick HaynesGWSUFACarltonNo Compensation
Alex Neal-BullenMelbourneTradeAdelaideRound 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack DarlingWest CoastTradeNorth MelbourneRound 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack GrahamRichmondUFAWest CoastEnd of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

 
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I reckon that Josh Barnes guy has got a bit of the Karl Pilkington's (with more hair) about him
 
Sphynx said:
Inverse argument also applies.

Just because a player was a level at their previous club, doesn’t guarantee you that player coming here, particularly stepping into a bottom 4 club.

We have countless of examples.

It’s not failsafe either
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So we won’t know what we have until Daniel actually plays. Which I think is fair.
 

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Orange Peanut said:
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LB2Snake said:
He made all those deals happen yesterday. Got the extra out of Geelong, stitched up the Stringer deal, Houston……..clubs are wary of pissing him off. He holds too much power.
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Well if we had a couple of Comancheros on our Board, Paul Connors would soon "get it". Make it happen Funky Hood. :stern look
 
koshari said:
"but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better"

they do make us instantly significantly better, but for how long, both dainiels and parker instantly make our list go from about 14 AFL standard players to 16, how we cover the rest of the team and get depth is the next challenge.

some may be achieved by organic growth if say the likes of bobby dazzler and Dawson can come on, otherwise we will be still needing to hit up free agents, drafting is longer term as you determine who are boom and who are bust/development.

splitting 2 this is the best draft to do it, conversely being the best draft to do it means less candidates likely to accommodate us.
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As I understand it, the whole purpose of bringing in these players, is to provide experience and leadership and improve our ability to compete against other clubs, while our recent draftees develop and improve, without having to be the leaders of the club.

Daniel should be around for quite a few years, Parker will play another 3 years and Darling 2 years. Just for a moment imagine just how much better Sheezel, Wardlaw, McKercher and Duursma might be after 3 more years in the system. Providing we keep him, LDU should have improved some more, Powell also, hopefully Phillips will start to realise the potential we thought we saw in him, Xerri might well become the AA ruckman and Larkey just keeps playing as he has shown he can, with such very little support up to date.

Then there are some others in Archer, Comben, Curtis, Bergman, Goater and George if he can overcome his injuries. Maybe Logue will also get a decent run at it.

This is not about 2025 or even 2026, it is about developing a strong core of talented young men into hardened AFL players, capable of matching it with the best, and that's the role that these three senior, all premiership players, have been recruited to help do.
 
Samsquanch said:
Sounds like it was a Mortlake to Warrnambool thing H. Never made it past Alansford or the Stony Rises. Maybe SpiderBurton22 has a case of the Mandala affect (I mean, Nibble Pies, really???)!!!

This is almost on par with Ligma's diarrhea.
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surely 1 nibble pie was eaten as he was doing a lap of the dirty angel. 😜
 
It may be the rock I perish on. However, if R1 is in Marvel, I’m really looking forward to seeing Darling ambling into our F50 behind Larkey before the ball-up.
 
I just cant for the life of me fathom wtf our club is thinking.

A deep draft where theres not much between pick 1 and so 5. So much exciting young tall forwards which we badly set to land in our second pick zone.

And we take in pick 2 only, trading everything else for players who are 'experienced' and being forced out the door from the best 22 at their clubs. We do this when we already have plenty of experienced type players, sure we can argue if they're good enough or not. But to do this is one of the deepest drafts in recent history is just mind boggling bad, not to mention the compromised drafts around the the corner.
 
Horace said:
This is not about 2025 or even 2026, it is about developing a strong core of talented young men into hardened AFL players, capable of matching it with the best, and that's the role that these three senior, all premiership players, have been recruited to help do.
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And that is the way I see it.

By that stage, our core might actually attract the FA, RFA and trade targets that are in demand, of the right age group and round out our list.

I don't see us blowing our cap.

Just like I don't really see the overpaying Daniel argument. We asked for 48 back. We got some streak knives in a pick 20 with 2 years in the Swans system in a completely separate deal.

The collective is, we upgraded our depth across all lines in one arvo, including small forward where Fisher and Konstanty could slot, McKercher can play wing and so on.

The alternative was to take a kid at the draft at 25 which doesn't achieve the above.

The club may trade back into this draft and get one of the kids they wanted anyway.
 
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Sphynx said:
So it’s the young players letting the side down from inexperience with the senior players guiding and leading the way?

I expect that was reflected in the Syd with all of LMAC, Simpkin, Corr, Tucker, Zurhaar, Larkey dominating?

Our main issues are our senior players for the most part aren’t good footballers. Luke Parker won’t change that conundrum.

In fact our best 6-7 players this season were pretty much all 24 or under.

How much more are we expecting them to carry this side?
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I literally mentioned the older brigade in brackets.

LMac, Corr and Tucker were all either shit or middling in the first eight weeks as the team apparently tried to score without worrying about defence. But they were plenty serviceable thereafter in a defence that was under siege, mainly due to our complete lack of defensive accountability in the forward half. They still haven't been given their dues. Corr stopped significantly more goals than Comben. It's an era of slingshot football and our forward line doesn't lift a finger to stop their opponents. Defence is no longer isolated to the blokes in the back 50

Zurhaar was crap for a lot of the year and I'm aware of how much you dislike him. Fair enough

Simpkin is a 2x B&F winner and is still capable of good football. He's always had an error in him but the absolute slandering from many quarters of a bloke who bleeds blue and white and has a slightly uncertain football future due to a literal assault is distasteful. In 2021 he beat TT and Cunners (and Goldy?), 2022 he beat LDU and Larkey. Yeah, there's a good player there. Clear run at it, he should be useful as a mid/fwd. Maybe Parker can teach him something

Larkey is a good player. Flawed but a good one. With a bit of help (maybe from Darling, maybe from Comben, maybe from both) he'll make a difference. As recently as last year, he was in our best two players. So it's not like he's allowed himself to be 'carried' by the younger brigade for that long, is it

We need glue to bring everything together. Maybe Darling will help free up Zurhaar and/or take heat off Larkey. Maybe Parker will be an on-field barometer who can win the hard ball and bark instructions as he goes. Maybe Daniel will allow Colby to have 20 useful possessions instead of 35 dinky ones

I cannot see how this strategy is worthy of this sort of criticism at this point of time. Pick 25, overs, yes, but it's not pick 4, is it. We're trading a shot at the dartboard for some glue, which we bloody well need. Our list in the first place is definitely better than the 4 wins in 44 record would suggest. These could be the moves that anchor the team and help it prove that. They are certainly more likely to be the moves that help things along than Hannaford or Whitlock or any of the other 18 year olds
 
shinboner magic said:
Brady should let tuggers stew till draft night if all they’re offering is 10-11 picks
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Ha - Brady has shown his cards - there is no way he wants to go with just pick 2 to this draft. The industry now knows we are desperate to split and the value has diminished accordingly. We will be lucky to get 11 and 18.

The idea that Brady will let anyone 'stew' is laughable - and this is the Richmond that bent him over on the CCJ trade.

He has probably been on the phone to them already asking would they like to trade picks ....pretty please trade with me ...Richmond will be saying...we've got him by the cahoona's again the poor bastard....and where going to twist harder than we did with CCJ this time.
 
R00StaR said:
I just cant for the life of me fathom wtf our club is thinking.

A deep draft where theres not much between pick 1 and so 5. So much exciting young tall forwards which we badly set to land in our second pick zone.

And we take in pick 2 only, trading everything else for players who are 'experienced' and being forced out the door from the best 22 at their clubs. We do this when we already have plenty of experienced type players, sure we can argue if they're good enough or not. But to do this is one of the deepest drafts in recent history is just mind boggling bad, not to mention the compromised drafts around the the corner.
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Two will be split, not for the return some think but I'm pretty sure it'll be split. We'd have a wish list in the top 20 so a top ten pick and one before 20 is fine. Don't think they'll be too bothered by the numerical return in this draft, very even top 20 and there'll be sliders.
 
Junk yard said:
Two will be split, not for the return some think but I'm pretty sure it'll be split. We'd have a wish list in the top 20 so a top ten pick and one before 20 is fine. Don't think they'll be too bothered by the numerical return in this draft, very even top 20 and there'll be sliders.
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I wouldn't rule out our F1 going to Freo for 14 (Trainor? Shanahan? J Whitlock?) with their F1 back.
Freo get a pick for Warner and we get a kid to pair with pick 2 and get 12 months extra development in.
It's a risk for sure, but if we were open to splitting it for Houston, it wouldn't shock me it's been discussed already.
Now whether we both split 2 and trade the F1, I'm not sure. Not sure we have the list spots to take more than 3?
 
shimaburnsgrieg said:
Ha - Brady has shown his cards - there is no way he wants to go with just pick 2 to this draft. The industry now knows we are desperate to split and the value has diminished accordingly. We will be lucky to get 11 and 18.

The idea that Brady will let anyone 'stew' is laughable - and this is the Richmond that bent him over on the CCJ trade.

He has probably been on the phone to them already asking would they like to trade picks ....pretty please trade with me ...Richmond will be saying...we've got him by the cahoona's again the poor bastard....and where going to twist harder than we did with CCJ this time.
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The whole industry already knew a long time ago we wanted to trade pick2. Even 99.9% on here knew it its no secret Last night results will not effect us any differently at all.
 
R00StaR said:
I just cant for the life of me fathom wtf our club is thinking.

A deep draft where theres not much between pick 1 and so 5. So much exciting young tall forwards which we badly set to land in our second pick zone.

And we take in pick 2 only, trading everything else for players who are 'experienced' and being forced out the door from the best 22 at their clubs. We do this when we already have plenty of experienced type players, sure we can argue if they're good enough or not. But to do this is one of the deepest drafts in recent history is just mind boggling bad, not to mention the compromised drafts around the the corner.
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I would hold this opinion till post the draft. I don’t think we will just use pick 2 and 62
 
R00StaR said:
I just cant for the life of me fathom wtf our club is thinking.

A deep draft where theres not much between pick 1 and so 5. So much exciting young tall forwards which we badly set to land in our second pick zone.

And we take in pick 2 only, trading everything else for players who are 'experienced' and being forced out the door from the best 22 at their clubs. We do this when we already have plenty of experienced type players, sure we can argue if they're good enough or not. But to do this is one of the deepest drafts in recent history is just mind boggling bad, not to mention the compromised drafts around the the corner.
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There is no argument, our senior players are garbage.
 
Sillygit said:
There is no argument, our senior players are garbage.
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You can explain so much about the extremes of our performances this year by two simple facts: we have among the best young talent in the comp, and the standout worst contingent of senior players by far.
 
perplexed said:
I very much doubt that. The kid is a killer.

But there is no chance he gets to 25, so the point is moot anyway.
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Hadn't followed him much until that CTL finals game, but he was a cracker that day.

What's the maximum capital you'd be prepared to pay for him?

Seeing as Richmond are our only suitor for pick 2, I'm tempering my expectations for what we'll get.

But if we could add F2 into the equation, and got Hannaford in return, reckon I'd take that in a heartbeat.
 

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