List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

[roos_fanatic08]

Yeo on the left Vs Wines on the right

 

[Sphynx]

Whilst he's been one of my favorite players of the last 10 years and he's severely underrated, I'm still not a fan of this.

He's 31 next season and with a big recent injury history to boot, the Eagles are in the same position as us (if not worse) and would be keeping him rather than accepting the compo with all the inside knowledge they have on his body.

The Higgins comparisons are way off the mark, Shaun moved when he was 26 and he played for another 7 seasons.

We will be lucky to get 30-40 games out of Yeo.

If he was 3 years younger, no worries.

You should always recruit someone whom you think can play 100 games for your football club, there's some obvious counter arguments to this (even in our clubs history), but I think it's a good rule of thumb in general.

Possibly Pick 19, a top salary, 3+ years for a guy who been missed chunks or been playing injured for 3-4 seasons is a big number of red flags for potentially 30-40 games through to 34. There was talk about retirement with him last year....

He's had a good return to form, no doubt, but it would be totally North to give up a first round pick for him and he barely plays for the next 3 years.

We need a 26-27 year old. But this is the situation we are in with our recent performances, we will get good players over the hill as a retirement check, or we will get 26-27 year old mercenaries. Someone like Logue is an outlier because he had mates here.

 

[ohmygewd]

Yeo is a big bodied defensively minded mid who can also rotate across half back. As a free agent he is pretty much perfect.

I have concerns about his injury history, but I had concerns with Higgins too, and that turned out okay.

Yeah but Yeo's groins are like a guitar string ready to go ping and the career is over - Higgins was 27 odd when he came to us not 31!.
Anyway, can't stand Yeo which stem's from my Fitzroy/Brisbane cousin hate when he sooked off back west, same with Polec.

 

[Merlin007]

The issue with accessing talent via Free Agency is it would dilute potential compensation for Zurhaar, unless we are intending to match any offer and work toward a favourable trade OR they're confident he will stay.

Either/or - my preference is the latter. But some the worst, I think your implicit suggestion is right, we'll match and force a trade

 

[Mixed Results]

This might be a pessimistic take, but the injury concern doesn't bother me.

If Yeo can help set standards over the summer, and provide some on field support for 10 to 15 games a year, then that's completely fine.

We won't be in a position where we are stressing his availability for finals for a while, and if Wardlaw, Sheezel etc have to stand on their own for half the season, then it might be a positive from a development sense.

At the end of the day, the injury concern is the only reason that this is a possibility for us.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Caro breaking a story that we're a chance to get another big fish - perfectly setting her up for generating more disparaging content against us when inevitably Yeo signs with another club (or back with West Coast).

I reckon you’re on the money Pres.

Fed crap by Colin Young, one of her “thourtheth”, and being ever eager to be the breaker of big stories she can’t hold it back.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Young’s sitting back thinking “the plan’s in place. West Coast will now up their offer to reflect what we think Yeo’s worth!”

Looth lipth think thipth.

 

[Sphynx]

This might be a pessimistic take, but the injury concern doesn't bother me.

If Yeo can help set standards over the summer, and provide some on field support for 10 to 15 games a year, then that's completely fine.

We won't be in a position where we are stressing his availability for finals for a while, and if Wardlaw, Sheezel etc have to stand on their own for half the season, then it might be a positive from a development sense.

At the end of the day, the injury concern is the only reason that this is a possibility for us.

At what cost are you recruiting someone "to set standards"?

Come on.

Clarko was meant to set standards, we recruited Shiels to set standards etc. Greenwood was recruited to set standards...


I want to win football games, not spend draft capital on 30 something premiership players of other clubs "to set standards".


Everything comes down to cost.

Melbourne recruited Jordan Lewis with a pick in the 50's, as did West Coast with Mitchell and Brisbane with Hodge.

Reality of the situation with the current free agency structure is that Yeo will cost us likely pick 19 from a net position.

We can not afford to potentially miss out of one of the best key talls in the draft for 3 years of someone "setting standards"

If we want someone like Yeo, it should be for a throw away pick, or go find someone like Sidebottom, or Callan Ward, or Mitch Duncan, or Nick Haynes, or Jarryd Lyons, or Tom Libratore or the other 40-50 players we might be able to get for a final pay check that wont cost us anything at the draft.

 

[Merlin007]

Whilst he's been one of my favorite players of the last 10 years and he's severely underrated, I'm still not a fan of this.

He's 31 next season and with a big recent injury history to boot, the Eagles are in the same position as us (if not worse) and would be keeping him rather than accepting the compo with all the inside knowledge they have on his body.

The Higgins comparisons are way off the mark, Shaun moved when he was 26 and he played for another 7 seasons.

We will be lucky to get 30-40 games out of Yeo.

If he was 3 years younger, no worries.

You should always recruit someone whom you think can play 100 games for your football club, there's some obvious counter arguments to this (even in our clubs history), but I think it's a good rule of thumb in general.

Possibly Pick 19, a top salary, 3+ years for a guy who been missed chunks or been playing injured for 3-4 seasons is a big number of red flags for potentially 30-40 games through to 34. There was talk about retirement with him last year....

He's had a good return to form, no doubt, but it would be totally North to give up a first round pick for him and he barely plays for the next 3 years.

We need a 26-27 year old. But this is the situation we are in with our recent performances, we will get good players over the hill as a retirement check, or we will get 26-27 year old mercenaries. Someone like Logue is an outlier because he had mates here.

do you mean we're giving up pick 19? Or is this what you think the UFA compo would be?

I'm no expert on the formula, but I would have thought a 3 year deal even on good money would get WC something similar to what we got for wells

FWIW (admittedly not much) I'd prefer to be spending money rather than draft picks

 

[Sphynx]

do you mean we're giving up pick 19? Or is this what you think the UFA compo would be?

I'm no expert on the formula, but I would have thought a 3 year deal even on good money would get WC something similar to what we got for wells

FWIW (admittedly not much) I'd prefer to be spending money rather than draft picks

West Coast's compo means nothing to us.

It's a net position in the formula.

We might get pick 40 or something as a balance compensation pick if we recruited Yeo after losing Zurhaar.

Zurhaar will 100% net an end of first round pick as a minimum prior to any involvement of Yeo.


Even looking at the deal in isolation, it will end in disaster. Im sure of it. There's 6 players in the entire comp playing at the final age of that Yeo deal and they are all bionic freaks without 10% of his injury history.

Goldstein, Pendles, Boak, Hawkins, Zorko, Tuohey.

The odds would be low for him to play past 33 with his injury history.

 

[The Warlord]

Yeo ain't a thing yo

 

[Its a Process]

West Coast's compo means nothing to us.

It's a net position in the formula.

We might get pick 40 or something as a balance compensation pick if we recruited Yeo after losing Zurhaar.

Zurhaar will 100% net an end of first round pick as a minimum prior to any involvement of Yeo.

Would your position change if Cam wasn't too leave?

 

[Sphynx]

Would your position change if Cam wasn't too leave?

Yes. 100%.

I wouldn't care with our cap space.


It's the relative cost that's the issue imo.

If we keep pissing away first round picks or the compo we receive for our better players, we will be spoon contenders for the rest of time.


Engineer a way where we lose Zurhaar, get pick 19 and then recruit Yeo for a 3rd round pick, I'm all for it.

But West Coast as well will likely land a decent pick in free agency, even at his age, especially if we are involved salary wise....

 

[Its a Process]

Yes. 100%.

I wouldn't care with our cap space.


It's the relative cost that's the issue imo.

I tend to agree FWIW. The free agents that sign on will only inflate Cam's contract offers and who knows how high that pick is that gets granted should he leave.

D Wells is probably the best comparison for free agency compo and he generated a 2nd rounder back in 2016 - so West Coast would be expecting pick 20ish as a minimum.

 

[kool kangas]

Yeo
Berry
Battle

Get them all 3 free

Transforms our team instantly

Splash the cash

add Wil Brodie also...

 

[Mixed Results]

If the club were to sign Yeo (or any FA), they'd simply match the Zurhaar RFA bid and get return value in a trade.

I've had a feeling that's the most likely outcome all year, as after band one compensation, F/S, and academy bidding, Band 2 is going to drift down closer to 30+. I don't think the club would accept that for Zurhaar in any circumstance.

 

[backtothedraft]

At what cost are you recruiting someone "to set standards"?

Come on.

Clarko was meant to set standards, we recruited Shiels to set standards etc. Greenwood was recruited to set standards...


I want to win football games, not spend draft capital on 30 something premiership players of other clubs "to set standards".


Everything comes down to cost.

Melbourne recruited Jordan Lewis with a pick in the 50's, as did West Coast with Mitchell and Brisbane with Hodge.

Reality of the situation with the current free agency structure is that Yeo will cost us likely pick 19 from a net position.

We can not afford to potentially miss out of one of the best key talls in the draft for 3 years of someone "setting standards"

If we want someone like Yeo, it should be for a throw away pick, or go find someone like Sidebottom, or Callan Ward, or Mitch Duncan, or Nick Haynes, or Jarryd Lyons, or Tom Libratore or the other 40-50 players we might be able to get for a final pay check that wont cost us anything at the draft.

Great point. There are plenty of players that could contribute who wont cost as much in terms of draft assets. Mitch Duncan a great example.

 

[Mixed Results]

At what cost are you recruiting someone "to set standards"?

Come on.

Clarko was meant to set standards, we recruited Shiels to set standards etc. Greenwood was recruited to set standards...


I want to win football games, not spend draft capital on 30 something premiership players of other clubs "to set standards".


Everything comes down to cost.

Melbourne recruited Jordan Lewis with a pick in the 50's, as did West Coast with Mitchell and Brisbane with Hodge.

Reality of the situation with the current free agency structure is that Yeo will cost us likely pick 19 from a net position.

We can not afford to potentially miss out of one of the best key talls in the draft for 3 years of someone "setting standards"

If we want someone like Yeo, it should be for a throw away pick, or go find someone like Sidebottom, or Callan Ward, or Mitch Duncan, or Nick Haynes, or Jarryd Lyons, or Tom Libratore or the other 40-50 players we might be able to get for a final pay check that wont cost us anything at the draft.

I don't think we have the luxury to be picky when it comes to recruiting senior players.

Those names you've provided aren't going to be lining up to spend their final years setting standards for a bottom side. Many would simply prefer to retire. It's hard enough to believe Yeo is interested, so in the hypothetical where he was, I seriously doubt we'd pass on him because there was better value available. We've needed somebody like Sidebottom, Duncan, or Ward on our list for years now, and the best we've been able to lure across have been Shiels and Greenwood.

There are enough creative solutions to the Zurhaar compensation, so I wouldn't be bringing that up as a significant factor.

 

[Roosurgence]

It's a false way of looking at it.

If Zurhaar leaves, Yeo will cost Pick 19 (as a minimum).

I’m sure if Zurhaar leaves they will weigh up all that.

But on face value if you can acquire someone like Yeo that can add experience to the group without compromising your draft position, it’s not the worst idea.

 

[big_e]

At what cost are you recruiting someone "to set standards"?

Come on.

Clarko was meant to set standards, we recruited Shiels to set standards etc. Greenwood was recruited to set standards...


I want to win football games, not spend draft capital on 30 something premiership players of other clubs "to set standards".


Everything comes down to cost.

Melbourne recruited Jordan Lewis with a pick in the 50's, as did West Coast with Mitchell and Brisbane with Hodge.

Reality of the situation with the current free agency structure is that Yeo will cost us likely pick 19 from a net position.

We can not afford to potentially miss out of one of the best key talls in the draft for 3 years of someone "setting standards"

If we want someone like Yeo, it should be for a throw away pick, or go find someone like Sidebottom, or Callan Ward, or Mitch Duncan, or Nick Haynes, or Jarryd Lyons, or Tom Libratore or the other 40-50 players we might be able to get for a final pay check that wont cost us anything at the draft.

I find it hard to reconcile your post above with your previous comments, just six weeks ago:

Zurhaar, McDonald and Simpkin aren't fit to lace the boots of someone like Yeo.

He's one of the best 2 way big bodied mids of the last 20 years. Fully fit, he's the first guy I'd pick in a lineup for a GF if the opposing side had a Cripps, Bont, Green, Martin etc in it.

Is it just the risk of losing the shiny FA compo from the Zurhaar departure you seem so desperate for?

 

[New_Roo]

Err.. are you sure that’s the right word?
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Ludicrous use of the word... apologies


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[roos_fanatic08]

If the club were to sign Yeo (or any FA), they'd simply match the Zurhaar RFA bid and get return value in a trade.

I've had a feeling that's the most likely outcome all year, as after band one compensation, F/S, and academy bidding, Band 2 is going to drift down closer to 30+. I don't think the club would accept that for Zurhaar in any circumstance.

What you've suggested there is very feasible imo.

Zurhaar is no guarantee to leave as the offers he was expecting to get aren't forthcoming, and I don't think many (if any) clubs will offer him more than 3 years based on his current output. In which case, if he does leave, we might be better to match and force a trade. Might even result in us upgrading a pick.

 

[ChairmanZia]

I don't think we have the luxury to be picky when it comes to recruiting senior players.

Those names you've provided aren't going to be lining up to spend their final years setting standards for a bottom side. Many would simply prefer to retire. It's hard enough to believe Yeo is interested, so in the hypothetical where he was, I seriously doubt we'd pass on him because there was better value available. We've needed somebody like Sidebottom, Duncan, or Ward on our list for years now, and the best we've been able to lure across have been Shiels and Greenwood.

There are enough creative solutions to the Zurhaar compensation, so I wouldn't be bringing that up as a significant factor.

Yes we certainly, we don't want random players to come here for retirement funding.

As good as yeo is, he is 31 in 2025 and injury prone, not a good combo.

Big no from me.

 

[ChairmanZia]

What you've suggested there is very feasible imo.

Zurhaar is no guarantee to leave as the offers he was expecting to get aren't forthcoming, and I don't think many (if any) clubs will offer him more than 3 years based on his current output. In which case, if he does leave, we might be better to match and force a trade. Might even result in us upgrading a pick.

Has there been any rumour on the club/s wanting zurhaar and how big the contract they are offering?

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

If the Yeo rumours are true, could that point to internal confidence at the club that the Bull we sign on with us? - I doubt the club would want to dilute any compensation we would receive if he was to leave and it sounds like we like Yeo for many reasons but one being we don’t have to give up draft capital?

 

[ChairmanZia]

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What do you think Wines/Parker type deal consists of?

If we’re trading for them, we are taking salary off their books, they’ll be done for a late second/third rounder. Anything more we should pull the offer.
They are coming over to assist the youngsters, selfless playing, nothing more.

Port and syd will most definitely not trade for a late 2nd/3rd, they would be ask for multiple first because they are 'required' players and 'stalwarts' of their respective clubs.

These club will see us vulnerable and desperate hence will drive a hard bargain and i would question the legitimacy of the existence of the club if we get sucked into these kind of deals.

I am against Yeo for that matter too but at least he comes free.

Zurhaar, we should match to force a trade for a first rounder but i highly doubt any other clubs can match our current offer to him with 5 years so we put Z in a tough position to either accept our deal or leave at lower offer.

Gone are the days we operate amateurishly off the field.