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Snuffaluphagus
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They arent saying the full deal, there would be something coming back to make it make sense. That and they are playing silly buggers to help you extort WC
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The Betting companies are so tied up with the AFL that I'm sure the AFL would make sure some clubs swapped pick 75 for pick 73 to make sure you lost your money.
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If we do this trade, time to throw out Peter Bell. He's done some shockers lately, seems to be trying to bring in experienced players to help his buddy JL rather than bringing in what we need.
Dusty won all his 3 Norm Smith's post 26 yo.
Maybe there's a bias in coaches towards younger players? Who knows.
Generally peak playing age is considered 24-29 maybe even to 30-31. Averages suggest there would be more players under 26 in the AFL, that would also likely skew award results.
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Tigs fans are insufferable at the minute.
I want nothing more than for them to draft 6 Richard Tambling's while the rest of the first round turns into Lance Franklin's and Jordan Lewis'.
I want them to look back on 2024 with absolute disgust lol
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Yes, an exceptional player. Still, thank God we turned him into Hogan, a Coleman medallist!
I actually think you could be onto something here tbh. Downgrading Pick 30 to Pick 51 as they are now certainly won't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe they could upgrade Pick 67 to Pick 61 for us as well. Doubt they'll use Pick 61 so that probably wouldn't be a massive issue.
Something like:
Freo: Bolton, Picks 51 & 61
Richmond: Picks 10, 18, 30 & 67
Gold Coast: Rioli, Picks 30 & 67
Richmond: Picks 6 & 23
Then Richmond just need to hope West Coast do something stupid but in all honesty I'm not sure them having a F1 (Carlton's or Hawthorn's) when they have Picks 1, 6, 10, 18, 20 & 23 this year is all that bad for them.
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So ho hum and full of bullsheeit.
The trade period is a joke. A waste of time.Make the trade time two days, at the most.
Watch every club have all their ducks in a row and deals get done in that time period.
The AFL love the crap that goes on , because it keeps the name of the game, the brand name in the limelight.
The trade period is a joke. A waste of time.Make the trade time two days, at the most.
Watch every club have all their ducks in a row and deals get done in that time period.
The AFL love the crap that goes on , because it keeps the name of the game, the brand name in the limelight.
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I tried to do the maths but it's too hard at the moment without doing a proper dive. Rough maths is 51 comes in at least 7 spots on draft night
Yeah it’s important to remember that each bid slides it back a spot too.
It’s kinda like one step back, two or three steps forward for it.
Any selection used after pick 51 for matching purposes has no effect on it either.
That said, pick 44 or 45 in this draft is not a bad selection and certainly one we’d use.
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I don't think the coaches are biased. I think the super-elites peak earlier than others.
My hunch is that you're right in general that peak age is 24-29. There is survivor bias there.
Very few maintain their output at their peak-plateau into their 30s.
Looking at Norm Smiths is interesting, thanks for raising it. The age profile is definitely older, compared to the AFLCA winners 10 are 27yo+ for the same 23 year period. I suspect that with experience you are able to peak more effectively for individual games and you handle the pressure better.
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The Suns will require the Tigers to trade into a pick in the 30s this year to help them secure the points for Lombard.
It will require the Tigers to find a third party who wants a higher top 20 pick but has a pick in the 30s to help the Tigers.
Richmond is still demanding picks 10 and 11 from Fremantle for Shai Bolton with the Dockers adamant he is only worth picks 10 and 18.
They are still holding pick 11 in the hope Liam Baker might not be able to get to the Eagles.
But West Coast is still considering whether to split pick 3 from the Blues picks 12 and 14, which would allow them to take an elite draftee and hand 14 to the Tigers for Baker.
The Bolton camp is hopeful Richmond in the end will accept a compromise position which again involves a third party and sees them accept a slightly better offer than picks 10 and 18 but not 10 and 11.
It does sound plausible
These are the picks that are in bid range, only one of them is before 30, so there is 12 picks in the zone that could reduce the gap between 30 and 51. But hard to do the maths without knowing where the bids are matched. I think Brisbane will lose all theirs though
Brisbane have 32, 34, 42, 43, 45 and likely 49 from Melbourne for Sharp
Essendon have 28, 31, 40, 46 for Kako
GC will have 41, 50 and (30?) for Lombard
It will require the Tigers to find a third party who wants a higher top 20 pick but has a pick in the 30s to help the Tigers.
Richmond is still demanding picks 10 and 11 from Fremantle for Shai Bolton with the Dockers adamant he is only worth picks 10 and 18.
They are still holding pick 11 in the hope Liam Baker might not be able to get to the Eagles.
But West Coast is still considering whether to split pick 3 from the Blues picks 12 and 14, which would allow them to take an elite draftee and hand 14 to the Tigers for Baker.
The Bolton camp is hopeful Richmond in the end will accept a compromise position which again involves a third party and sees them accept a slightly better offer than picks 10 and 18 but not 10 and 11.
It does sound plausible
These are the picks that are in bid range, only one of them is before 30, so there is 12 picks in the zone that could reduce the gap between 30 and 51. But hard to do the maths without knowing where the bids are matched. I think Brisbane will lose all theirs though
Brisbane have 32, 34, 42, 43, 45 and likely 49 from Melbourne for Sharp
Essendon have 28, 31, 40, 46 for Kako
GC will have 41, 50 and (30?) for Lombard
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Yeah I have Gold Coast as potentially using 3 picks before 51 for Lombard (+2), Essendon 3 picks for Kako (+2) and Brisbane 5 picks for their two (+3). This will obviously all change some more but 51 definitely comes in a lot and pick 30 slides back a couple.
30 to 51 is enough of a movement for Richmond to claim a big win and small enough for Walls for it not to matter too much in reality
FFS - we can't throw away pick 30. If this draft is as strong as it's talked up to be - we should be getting a pick 20-25 type quality player.
Even if the picks move in 6 or 7 places in draft night - there's a big difference between 30 and 45. We don't need to budge.
Even if the picks move in 6 or 7 places in draft night - there's a big difference between 30 and 45. We don't need to budge.
Agree it’s too hard to do the maths but what I will also say is I think pick 30 actually goes 3-4 picks in the other direction bring the picks pretty together.
I am 100% convinced that the Tigers will take 10+18 because there is no way getting a half-assed Bolton is better than the picks in their position.
Just run it until deadline if need be.
Just run it until deadline if need be.
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We know they'll compromise somewhere though. I'll settle for keeping 11 and finding someone as good at 32ish as 44ish
It’s absolute bullsh** Brisbane and Gold Coast will get their players for those picks.
It shouldn’t be possible for the premier to match pick 1 unless they trade something very significant (future first/s, gun player etc.). They’ve traded out absolute **** all to get to where they’re at. It’s a disgrace.
Essendon I can kind of live with because their not getting top 20 draft picks for free pretty much every year.
The draft points index has a lot of issues and needs work ... but for what it is worth ... 10+11 = 2724 points, while 10+18+30 minus 51 = 2750 points. Both a bit more than pick 2 equivalent. Not factoring in where those picks actually end up with bids and points matching.
Not for me. Give them a future 3rd or something meaningless if Richmond want to keep up appearances to their fans. We shouldn't give away pick 30. That's some grade A BS.
Joao is right. Richmond are not going to decline the offer. Bolton has his foot out the door, with a second kid on the way and his house on the market. He's not the kind of player you keep for your rebuild. It would be crazy for Richmond to knock back pick 10 and 18.
I wouldn't, nothing beyond an F4.
10+18 is fine. We didn't try and lowball, just said this is what we're willing to pay. It's reasonable and everyone other than Tigers fans agree.
Buckling and throwing in pick 30 is weak given the public stance we've had about being willing to walk away.
It’s going to be more like Pick 32 and 43 on draft night when those picks are actually used. Keeping Pick 11 is more valuable than any combination of later picks we’ll realistically have tbh.
Besides on the other end of things Richmond won’t actually care about Pick 30 but without Pick 30 I doubt Gold Coast hands over both Pick 6 & 23.
As deep as this draft is, any picks post pick 20 increase infinitely in the odds of that pick being a genuine success.
I’m not fussed with those sorts of extras coming or going.
It’s laughable how they can become sticking points. Then when the trade period begins teams can conjure up those extra picks at the drop of a hat.
Pick 11, 30 and 67
Or
Pick 11, 51 and 67
Who cares? All of those picks are outsiders to play meaningful football in 2025.
I’m not fussed with those sorts of extras coming or going.
It’s laughable how they can become sticking points. Then when the trade period begins teams can conjure up those extra picks at the drop of a hat.
Pick 11, 30 and 67
Or
Pick 11, 51 and 67
Who cares? All of those picks are outsiders to play meaningful football in 2025.
