List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[Dr Spaceman]

Hope Pencil Case was watching Mid week tackle.
Macrae very likely at Pick 43,says Ralphy

 

[PandaG]

Debuted 7 years ago. Close enough to 100 games. Half back/Midfielder. A single 30+ game. Not a single Brownlow vote, A grand tally of 19 coaches votes. 13 career goals. Averages 240 metres gained.

I mean, the more obvious question is what do the Clark boosters see?

when he plays he has a positive influence especially in the middle.
Many of those games were under a very poor coach in Ratten who thought development was exclusively a real estate term. Can only be judged under his time with Ross at the helm.

 

[St_Laz]

Sure.
Gags signed his contract at the end of 2022 (aug 22) for the 2023 and 2024 seasons.

Gags left the club in december 2022.
Any list manager worth their salt would have made it look like battle was in our top 25% in 2023- so he hit free agency in 2024 as a restricted free agent.

This post fills the rest of it in:

“Hey Josh, please sign this low level contract, but also we’re going to withhold a large portion of it to the last year, so not only does it disadvantage you because inflation reduces the value of the money, you also don’t have access to it to invest it and get a return; or even simply pay down your mortgage. Additionally, it benefits the club and disadvantages you by reducing your Free Agency rights by inflating your final year wage because we’re trying to game the system.”

WHERE DO I SIGN MR LIST MANAGER STEADIER?!?

Hindsight is 20/20, but somehow even with that benefit, your plan doesn’t even make sense.

Josh wasn’t in the top 25% of players at the time of signing the contract, and he improved in excess of what we thought he would. Good luck to him.



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[PandaG]

Richo still eating our scraps out at demon land…? Who would have thought!

 

[PandaG]

Soldo is a vastly better player than TC.

100% agree

 

[PandaG]

i didn't know that.

Amarty isnt any good…honestly sub par afl player

 

[Max the great]

Brandon Parfitt delisted by Geelong.

Worth a gander at as a DFA…

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Soon as I saw him delisted I knew someone I here would bring him up. He's a VFL footballer at best. Absolutely no way

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[HeavenlySources]

43 for Macral and F3rd for Soldlow lock it in. Anything else is scare tactics.

If we aren’t targeting GC pick 12 ahead of Carlton then what are we doing. Especially if we miss out on Band 1


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[akaifu]

43 for Macral and F3rd for Soldlow lock it in. Anything else is scare tactics.

If we aren’t targeting GC pick 12 ahead of Carlton then what are we doing. Especially if we miss out on Band 1


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We won't trade for a pick prior to the draft but its 100% a huge chance come live trading. Carlton only doing it early bc they need it for Houston otherwise they'd probs wait till live trading too

 

[stfan]

Ivan Soldo is THE highest averaging hitouts to advantage % ruckman in the competition in 2024. Marshall is 17th

Ivan Soldo is the 10th-highest rated ruckman for pressure rating in 2024. Marshall is 13th

At stoppage, our midfield will improve massively with Soldo. They will get first use, and they won't be chasing tail all game. It will allow the likes of Dow and Clark, who are clearance-winning beasts at their best, to get on the front foot and play at their best

With Marshall playing more forward, it takes pressure off King and forces opposition defences to go more 1v1 rather than double-teaming King

Ross tried to play TC and Marshall in the same team, but that meant our forward pressure was one of the worst on record that night. Soldo is a massive upgrade on TC in that metric

Counterargument is that Row is a significantly better clearance ruckman than Soldo with 5.7 to 3.8. Is this really an issue though? If Soldo is consistently tapping it down the throats of his mids, why would he need to win clearances? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't a single ruckman in the comp that rates elite for both hitouts to advantage and clearances, and Max Gawn is the only one who is above average in both

Ivan Soldo also only played 8 senior games in 2024, and has never played more than 14 in a season.

If we pay a high price for him we have lost the plot.

He needs to be a value pick up trade wise. Hopefully Port are eager to get his contract off their books.

What we end up paying trade wise for both Macrae and Soldo trade wise will be most interesting. We need to not cut into our future with their acquisition. Hopefully both will be gained at good value by the Dogs and Port both wanting them off their books, and us being willing to swallow their deals. As value pickups both could be worthy.

$$$$ we have in abundance, but we very much need in my opinion bring in the best young talent we can in a draft that is fruitful in it where our current first three (assuming we get 8 for Battle) picks are.

Use the $$$ to get players like Macrae and Soldo at a discount. If not, then one needs to really question their acquisition.

Use our best picks for the best young talent, as history shows us that it is very hard for the Saints to get in starts from other clubs.

This the year that Dalyrymple, SOS and Co really need to at the top of their games.

 

[akaifu]

Ivan Soldo also only played 8 senior games in 2024, and has never played more than 14 in a season.

If we pay a high price for him we have lost the plot.

He needs to be a value pick up trade wise. Hopefully Port are eager to get his contract off their books.

What we end up paying trade wise for both Macrae and Soldo trade wise will be most interesting. We need to not cut into our future with their acquisition. Hopefully both will be gained at good value by the Dogs and Port both wanting them off their books, and us being willing to swallow their deals. As value pickups both could be worthy.

$$$$ we have in abundance, but we very much need in my opinion bring in the best young talent we can in a draft that is fruitful in it where our current first three (assuming we get 8 for Battle) picks are.

Use the $$$ to get players like Macrae and Soldo at a discount. If not, then one needs to really question their acquisition.

Use our best picks for the best young talent, as history shows us that it is very hard for the Saints to get in starts from other clubs.

This the year that Dalyrymple, SOS and Co really need to at the top of their games.

Oh definitely agree, I'm already assuming it'll be a pick beyond 40. Our top 40 picks are almost untouchable this year in terms of trading for players. Think we'll aim for 4 in the top 40, 2 of Peckett/Cole/Hofmann, then the other on the rookie list

If Soldo costs any more than a third rounder then we're better off getting Preuss for free

 

[EddieMurphy]

Sounds great.
Except when those 'few specific matchups' happen to be against finalists and/or opponents in must win games.
Or marshall gets an injury.

If the goal is win lots of games every year and win finals- it's idiocy to put all our eggs in one basket marked "If marshall gets injured, we're screwed"

It's a miracle it hasn't bitten us on the ass thus far.
Baking in miracles to keep occuring is the opposite of how to have team success over the course of a long season.

Give me soldo rucking against a McInerney and (a fresh, not worn out) marshall forward over caminiti and marshall in a do or die final any day.

The cats play tom stewart as a midfielder and (even when in his prime) dangerfield as a fwd etc etc- good teams don't give a crap about individual brilliance.

If it can be changed to benefit the team over the course of a whole season- then there are no sacred cows.

Having marshall as our only AFL level ruckman as a concept needs to be dead and buried.

RoMa is a big midfielder. As a Ruck he is bottom of the table for hitouts to advantage. Would be great to have a real ruckman winning hitouts

 

[stfan]

Soldo is a vastly better player than TC.

Well that I agree with that. But TC is a free pick up and has been for years. Soldo will be traded for, let's hope the price is on the low side though.

Plenty of teams have picked up value rucks to perform a role. If we can get the other talent we really need, then he can perform that role. But we do not want his trade price to cause us to not land that talent.

 

[The_Steadier]

“Hey Josh, please sign this low level contract, but also we’re going to withhold a large portion of it to the last year, so not only does it disadvantage you because inflation reduces the value of the money, you also don’t have access to it to invest it and get a return; or even simply pay down your mortgage. Additionally, it benefits the club and disadvantages you by reducing your Free Agency rights by inflating your final year wage because we’re trying to game the system.”

WHERE DO I SIGN MR LIST MANAGER STEADIER?!?

Hindsight is 20/20, but somehow even with that benefit, your plan doesn’t even make sense.

Josh wasn’t in the top 25% of players at the time of signing the contract, and he improved in excess of what we thought he would. Good luck to him.



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You have it completely backwards.

The proposition that a competent list manager would have put to him would have given him more of his money up front in the first year of his 2 year deal (2023).

There is no hindsight here- history speaks for itself.
Every other club has avoided this issue in 12 years of free agency- we are the first to fall into this hole where we can't even force a trade if the compo is rubbish for a guy we drafted and who has been an established best 22 player for years.

I wonder why it's only us that has fallen prey to this circumstance?
Must be the 'stkilda curse' or josh battle's missus or something... couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

 

[MrFoster]

Ivan Soldo is THE highest averaging hitouts to advantage % ruckman in the competition in 2024. Marshall is 17th

Ivan Soldo is the 10th-highest rated ruckman for pressure rating in 2024. Marshall is 13th

At stoppage, our midfield will improve massively with Soldo. They will get first use, and they won't be chasing tail all game. It will allow the likes of Dow and Clark, who are clearance-winning beasts at their best, to get on the front foot and play at their best

With Marshall playing more forward, it takes pressure off King and forces opposition defences to go more 1v1 rather than double-teaming King

Ross tried to play TC and Marshall in the same team, but that meant our forward pressure was one of the worst on record that night. Soldo is a massive upgrade on TC in that metric

Counterargument is that Row is a significantly better clearance ruckman than Soldo with 5.7 to 3.8. Is this really an issue though? If Soldo is consistently tapping it down the throats of his mids, why would he need to win clearances? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't a single ruckman in the comp that rates elite for both hitouts to advantage and clearances, and Max Gawn is the only one who is above average in both

Agree, Ryder is twice the ruckman Marshall is, even though Marshall gets his share of clearances, these are often blind hack kicks and more often than not chopped off by opposition.
With a proper tap ruckman, it will make it easier for our mids to get the ball first rather than chasing tails all day.