Training 2024 training updates.

[HoraceStrasbork]

It is a bit uncanny.

I used to see these guys when I went to the gym when I was young, like about 50, probably an orthodontist training their nads off and a stash of every supplement invented by man legal or otherwise in their gym bag beside their viagra supply. They hope to do some impressive feat, like the Hawaiian ironman or climbing Everest or something, so their receptionist would finally be impressed enough to bonk them.

And when they got in the change rooms, it was like the bathroom at Wet on Wellington. All lined up posing in front of the mirror with a camera documenting their sick gains and trying not to look at the competition on either side and wondering if it is time for that botox course.

Brings back memories hearing you talk about it although mentioning Botox makes it sound more recent I was thinking of the 1980’s

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

Brings back memories hearing you talk about it although mentioning Botox makes it sound more recent I was thinking of the 1980’s

Mine was in the late 2000's, but plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Cousin of Daicos above nailed it.

The fact the club hasn’t put him on the LTI to open up a list spot means they’re going to give him every chance to get back by the time the year is out …and by the time the MSD comes around in around June…we will know just how far along his recovery is.

I used to hate our sports science and fitness guys because we were always behind the 8 ball when it came to getting players on the park close to near full fitness ahead of schedule but the Wade regime has been exceptional in this facet.

Here’s hoping Dan can make a return come August / September

I strangely feel like his contribution to our flag isn’t acknowledged enough. Maybe it’s even underrated.

He was huge both against Melbourne and particularly against GWS.

To put it simply, I don’t think we’re 2023 Premiers if he didn’t play at all during finals.

He could be a massive inclusion come finals time and you just know he’ll be the hungriest player on the list should he return.

 

[Mark W]

I like that scenario.Remember back in 2018 Goldsack did his knee in March and still made it back in time for the finals.Even more incredibly he played the finals after only playing half a game in the VFL,and he did pretty well too as it turned out

He didn’t do well at all. Goldsack coughed up 9 goals in the 2 big finals…Reiwoldt smashed him in the prelim, Kennedy smashed him in the grand final…I’m amazed that punters are using him as an exemplar for coming back early after an ACL. Whats the point in coming back early if you lack the conditioning and form to be competitive?

 

[Jen2310]

He didn’t do well at all. Goldsack coughed up 9 goals in the 2 big finals…Reiwoldt smashed him in the prelim, Kennedy smashed him in the grand final…I’m amazed that punters are using him as an exemplar for coming back early after an ACL. Whats the point in coming back early if you lack the conditioning and form to be competitive?

tbf, he had to play as one of our main key defenders. Was always gonna be a tough job either way. Without Darcy Moore, Shaz or Dunn.. so much pressure was put on him, but given the injury he came off on, not sure anyone could have hoped for much more.

 

[Mark W]

tbf, he had to play as one of our main key defenders. Was always gonna be a tough job either way. Without Darcy Moore, Shaz or Dunn.. so much pressure was put on him, but given the injury he came off on, not sure anyone could have hoped for much more.

I’m not having a go at Goldy. He gave his all bravely, as he always did. I’m just puzzled he is used as an example of success in coming back early from an ACL. For me he is a cautionary tale…Goldy in 2018 is an example of why it’s unwise to rush a player back too early look from an ACL….he was massively underdone…

 

[Jen2310]

I’m not having a go at Goldy. He gave his all bravely, as he always did. I’m just puzzled he is used as an example of success in coming back early from an ACL. For me he is a cautionary tale…Goldy in 2018 is an example of why it’s unwise to rush a player back too early look from an ACL….he was massively underdone…

I do think his situation was a bit different, as his surgery itself was different. Used a different grath that I dont believe they anymore, so doubt we'll see 6 month recoveries anymore.

Last time we did have a player come back early was Dunn, he then played vfl and did his ACL again, so its always a risk.

 

[Apex36]

I’m not having a go at Goldy. He gave his all bravely, as he always did. I’m just puzzled he is used as an example of success in coming back early from an ACL. For me he is a cautionary tale…Goldy in 2018 is an example of why it’s unwise to rush a player back too early look from an ACL….he was massively underdone…

Even a fully fit Goldsack could easily have been smashed by prime Reiwoldt and Kennedy, so I’m not particularly convinced that him coming back early was the main issue there.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I do think his situation was a bit different, as his surgery itself was different. Used a different grath that I dont believe they anymore, so doubt we'll see 6 month recoveries anymore.

I’m not aware of this with Goldy, Jen; do you have any more information?

 

[Soups]

It’s like McStay hasn’t even had major knee surgery. Pretty impressive he’s back running and kicking.

When I tore my ACL I was lucky to get up off the couch at that stage

 

[sr36]

It’s like McStay hasn’t even had major knee surgery. Pretty impressive he’s back running and kicking.

When I tore my ACL I was lucky to get up off the couch at that stage

Isn't 12 weeks to straight line running standard?

 

[Fruit]

Does anyone know if Dan actually had traditional surgery? There’s been a lot of advancement and depending on the extent of damage, many knees are being repaired without a graft and the recovery times are much less than a traditional reco. This is becoming common in elite sports internationally and also becoming more recognised by professionals in Australia now, although I haven’t heard it mentioned in AFL circles.

Just a quick google search I found -

“To repair or to reconstruct?​

So, now we have an evidence base to guide the choice of patients and modern surgical techniques to facilitate laparoscopic repair. When performed in these specific circumstances, the results from these modern ACL repair procedures are encouraging, demonstrating comparable outcomes to ACL reconstruction.

But ACL repair is not simply a different way to the same clinical outcome. It has further benefits for patients.

ACL reconstruction is still considered major surgery, involving tendon harvest and the placement of tissue grafts that take time to heal. In contrast, ACL repair involves far less of an insult to the knee. For patients, that means greater comfort, swifter recovery and a faster return to normal daily activities. These are significant patient-centred outcomes that should not be dismissed”

 

[Jen2310]

I’m not aware of this with Goldy, Jen; do you have any more information?

During his surgery, instead of using a another tendon part of his knee for the graft or from a decreased person, they used part of the hamstring tendon, which... I'm not sure why this allows a quicker recovery; but that was the reason he was able to recover in 6 months rather than the minimal 9 months required. Allows you to run sooner.

Its rarely done because there is a lot of risk associated with it.

Goldsack's reconstruction used a quadricep tendon rather than the traditional hamstring tendon graft, which he said allowed for a quicker return to running.

He decided as soon as he'd had the operation he wanted to try and get back in 2018 and wanted to be "aggressive" given his age and position in the game.

After being given the thumbs up to try by surgeon Dr Julian Feller 10 weeks after his operation, he made a definitive call while on a June European holiday with his young family.

He also said he chose not to buy into the speculative risks associated with such a speedy return.

"There's a Norwegian paper that says at nine months after an ACL reconstruction, your chances of further knee injury are significantly lower and every month after that it halves, but that just talks about not just re-rupturing the ACL, it talks about further knee damage," he said.

"That could be anything and the studies are often done on 50-year-old men and women and not elite athletes.

"It's hard, there's no actual evidence for elite athletes because no one is willing to put themselves in a position like this just to get data out of … no one knows the actual percentage of the risk we're taking."

Goldsack would rather focus on the mental side of his recovery, his belief in himself, and how he's actually feeling rather than go by suggested numbers.

"There is a study they're conducting that is to say that mentally, if you feel out of form and you are honest about it and you score a certain mark, that goes a long way to proving that your knee is right to go, there must be some kind of connection mentally with physically," he said.

"That's carrying a lot more weight than it used to.

"But internally, I feel good, I feel strong, my knee feels great and now that we're three games in, hopefully there's no stopping us."

Goldy set to play on

Tyson Goldsack is expected to sign a contract for the 2019 season in the near future

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

 

[manicpie]

Is it just me or are all these Pre Season updates just a little bit special. What a difference it is when you are coming off a flag. Not only are we coming off a flag but we all expect that we can win it again this year. Previous pre season updates were about hope, this one has expectation attached with it and that just gives it that little extra special feeling. Are we there yet?

 

[satanshoof101]

Victorian leg-spinner weighing up return to footy as Magpies and Dogs show interest

“It’s a crossroads moment.”

www.sen.com.au

Does anyone know the deal with this? Do we have any Cat B rookies? When do they need to be signed by?

 

[Jen2310]

Victorian leg-spinner weighing up return to footy as Magpies and Dogs show interest

“It’s a crossroads moment.”

www.sen.com.au

Does anyone know the deal with this? Do we have any Cat B rookies? When do they need to be signed by?

We have 2 rookie B spots available. One was vacated by Wilson last year.
They can be signed year round, I believe.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

During his surgery, instead of using a another tendon part of his knee for the graft or from a decreased person, they used part of the hamstring tendon, which... I'm not sure why this allows a quicker recovery; but that was the reason he was able to recover in 6 months rather than the minimal 9 months required. Allows you to run sooner.

Its rarely done because there is a lot of risk associated with it.

Goldy set to play on

Tyson Goldsack is expected to sign a contract for the 2019 season in the near future

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Ah, ok, I get what you mean now.

So Goldy didn’t have the graft taken from his hamstring, he had it taken from the middle section of his quadriceps tendon. This is not controversial at all, in fact it’s the method of choice for the most part in the U.S., in Australia surgeons tend to prefer hamstring but other factors come into it and results are similar. In fact both have their own pitfalls; for hamstrings grafts you have hamstring weakness and scarring to overcome, and for quads tendon grafts it’s (unsurprisingly) quads weakness, especially in kicking.

In some patients (typically petite females) the hamstring tendons they usually harvest to serve as the graft are too thin, and the surgeon will opt to do the quads tendon graft instead, against their usual preference.

What it sounds like Goldy did, which was a bit unusual, was get his surgeon to sign off on an accelerated protocol for his rehab, with functional milestones before exercise progression rather than time-based ones. By doing this it sounds like he was able to shave a few months off while accepting that the risk of re-rupture would be marginally higher.

EDIT: Here’s a link to an article with more commentary from Julian Feller on accelerated rehab protocols post-ACL reco from back in the day.

'Seven-month recovery' the next frontier for knee reconstructions

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

He didn’t do well at all. Goldsack coughed up 9 goals in the 2 big finals…Reiwoldt smashed him in the prelim, Kennedy smashed him in the grand final…I’m amazed that punters are using him as an exemplar for coming back early after an ACL. Whats the point in coming back early if you lack the conditioning and form to be competitive?

You attribute Goldsack getting goals kicked on him to his return from an ACL?

As opposed to him being played as a very undersized key back when he's not a key back?

 

[Jen2310]

Sorry for the delay.

Pre-season training: Monday, Feb 19th.

Most players were on deck, apart from Beggy (and DeMattia); this being the 2nd session he didn't train. Friday being the other session -- I heard someone mention to me that something happened to him in the intraclub -- anyone notice anything?
Later in the session, I did see him on the outer near the glasshouse in training top and runners, like he had been doing stuff inside. Hopefully not too serious.

Rehab group includes;

Murphy; if you can call him part of the rehab group, as nothing is wrong with him physically.
But he did the warm up and running, but instead of the drills and match sim, he did a running session along the boundary on the AAMI park side of the ground.

McStay came out and did the full session rather coming outside in stints. Did some agility work, warm up, and ran for the rest of the session. The boys amped him up as he ran past them.

Jamie is another one that only did a running session. Much like Friday. Not sure if its load management (2 sessions in a row?) or if he picked up a niggle from the intraclub game as well.

Given the practice game v North on Wed, you'd assume yesterday would be light; and I suppose in a sense it was, but it did go for 2 hrs and some match play and bit of other things. They did more than I thought they would. Friday was really light, but this was more on the normal side of things.

They did some stoppage work, match play that was separated in blacks, whites and green vests as they rotated in shorter groups.

Without Elliott playing, they had Reef and Johnson in the same team during match play. Which Reef playing deep forward.

Then they split off into blacks and whites.

Blacks;

Defenders --Dean, Ryan, TJ, Crisp, Maynard, Pendles
Mids: Lippa, Jordy, JDaicos, Mitchell, Harrison (DC - Ruck)
Forwards: Checkers, Shultz, Hill, Johnson, Beau, Reef

Whites;

Defenders --Frampton, IQ, Moore, Noble, WHE, Markov
Mids: Sidey, Allan, Fin, Nick, Carmy (wing) Cox (ruck)
Forwards: Kreuger, Oscar, Bytel, Sullivan, Richards

Player observations:

Fin - He's got really quick hands in stoppage work, what i've noticed lately is that his disposal has very much improved. he's clearly worked hard in the off season.
Along with the fact he has discovered a bit of pace.

Johnson - Took some nice marks, which is what we know he is known for. Good hands.

Oscar - Tried to keep crashing packs and going for mark of the year in every single time the ball came into the F50.

Harrison -- Interesting they are starting to use him on the wing. I know this is a position we dont have a lot of depth in, so prob testing out where some players can play. I don't mind it, he has the pace.

Reef: His field kicking was elite, set up a couple goals.

Cameron - His marking is becoming an highlight. Took a nice contested grab from a pack up forward that included cox, Hill (who was flying), Carmy.

Lippa - Played very well, sometimes it was on the inside, and sometimes it was on the wing. His chains up the ground and kicking was on point. He rotated with Josh Daicos

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Josh Daicos

Age

26

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

between wing and inside.

During when Josh and Lippa swapped positions, Josh gathers a clearance from the opposite ruck (coxy) and kicks a goal from 50.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

During his surgery, instead of using a another tendon part of his knee for the graft or from a decreased person, they used part of the hamstring tendon, which... I'm not sure why this allows a quicker recovery; but that was the reason he was able to recover in 6 months rather than the minimal 9 months required. Allows you to run sooner.

Its rarely done because there is a lot of risk associated with it.

Goldy set to play on

Tyson Goldsack is expected to sign a contract for the 2019 season in the near future

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

It's also worth noting, he had a lacklustre 2019 and retired from footy that year.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I really worry about Murph

If he's not feeling mentally safe enough to get out there, I'm not really sure how "time" will change that?

He clearly plays a way that makes him vulnerable to concussions. Or just doesn't have that built in awareness-based self protection mechanism others have? Which means he's really just one more concussion away from retirement.

In the end his health should be the number one priority and him potentially playing under constant anxiety of possibly being concussed doesn't really help anyone. Particularly him.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Brings back memories hearing you talk about it although mentioning Botox makes it sound more recent I was thinking of the 1980’s

I would've thought the camera reference would've made it clear it was the phone era - Can't imagine them pulling out a film camera in the gym bathroom.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

I really worry about Murph

If he's not feeling mentally safe enough to get out there, I'm not really sure how "time" will change that?

He clearly plays a way that makes him vulnerable to concussions. Or just doesn't have that built in awareness-based self protection mechanism others have? Which means he's really just one more concussion away from retirement.

In the end his health should be the number one priority and him potentially playing under constant anxiety of possibly being concussed doesn't really help anyone. Particularly him.

Maybe time won't change the mechanics other than give Murph time to assimilate the idea that his days maybe numbered...

 

[LuckyLee]

For a high-profile new recruit, Schultz gets very little mention in training reports.

That’s not a criticism of the report writers, as perhaps he just doesn’t stand out?

I’m wondering how close observers think he’s performing and how well he’ll fit into the team.

From the very little I’ve seen of Schultz, he seems very similar to JElliott, only younger. Is that about right?


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[Gaspard]

I don't think there is anyone similar to Jamie Elliott. He leads and marks like a tall forward, with that astounding leap, and he plays like the small forward he is the rest of the time. A unique player.