USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Biden II

[Gethelred]

Okay, we've had a good run. Some have had a good laugh and others have melted a little, but from this point we're improving the standard of discussion.

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Play nicely from here, please.

 

[Strange Cat]

Another day another rape victim …yet aparently it’s Biden that’s needs to drop out

What a joke

 

[GreyCrow]

'By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, first black woman... to serve with a black president. Proud to be involved of the first black woman on the Supreme Court. There's so much that we can do because, look... we're the United States of America.'

Lets hope he doesn't mix up Iran and Israel.

Or Nambia

 

[bourbons]

Which nobody can provide links to or any evidence that it happened.
Hint: Just because something is trending on X, doesn't mean it happened.

Eh?

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

Project 2025: The Trump presidency wish list, explained

An influential think tank wants the Federal Reserve and Department of Education to be abolished, among other ideas.

www.bbc.com

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on 'day one' follows growing worry over his authoritarian rhetoric

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” comes as he is facing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian rhetoric.

apnews.com

 

[Jello_B]

Everyone is sleeping tonight lol

Its a discussion forum, we're discussing real planning efforts and real statements

Sure, figure of speech.

 

[GreyCrow]

Eh?

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

Project 2025: The Trump presidency wish list, explained

An influential think tank wants the Federal Reserve and Department of Education to be abolished, among other ideas.

www.bbc.com

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on 'day one' follows growing worry over his authoritarian rhetoric

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” comes as he is facing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian rhetoric.

apnews.com

No I want real links - not those lefty latte sipping biased sites

 

[Jello_B]

What Trump said about if he will be a dictator if reelected

During a recent town hall, Fox News’ Sean Hannity gave former President Donald Trump the chance to rebut the idea — floa

www.politifact.com

I mean sure, I guess if he promises he'll only be a dictator abusing power and going after his political enemies, the media, local prosecutors for one day, what could go wrong. It's not at all concerning that SCOTUS have ruled that the President can simply ignore criminal laws so long as it's 'official' business.

Nothing to see here. Just the usual Trump 'exaggeration' right?

Thanks for linking that. There is another link in that article below which gives a good overview of his opinions and what is fact or not.

Fact-check: Did Trump make these 27 promises?

A liberal group says former President Donald Trump has promised more than two dozen "insane" actions if he reclaims the

www.politifact.com

 

[MPMonkeys]

Eh?

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

Project 2025: The Trump presidency wish list, explained

An influential think tank wants the Federal Reserve and Department of Education to be abolished, among other ideas.

www.bbc.com

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on 'day one' follows growing worry over his authoritarian rhetoric

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” comes as he is facing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian rhetoric.

apnews.com

But none of the above is close to reality. You've cherry picked an organization and then somehow tied Trump's entire platform to it.
I don't think anyone has heard of 'Project2025' save for some conspiracy theorists on Twitter.

 

[faible]

Few thoughts on your predictions above.

Amazing geopolitical analysis here.

 

[Jello_B]

No I want real links - not those lefty latte sipping biased sites

Well the below is probably right…

The document labels the FBI a “bloated, arrogant, increasingly lawless organization” and calls for drastic overhauls of this and other federal agencies,.

The pr0n thing is an interesting one. No doubt the pr0n industry is doing harm (along with gambling, tabbaco, alcohol and drugs), but not sure how they reconcile that with the whole increasing personal freedom thing (classic religion really).

Trump has repeatedly stated that abortion should be up to the states as far as I’m aware.

What in this project 25 doc worries people. Seems like a bunch of white Christian folk have compiled their Christmas list. Do people think Trump is going to push all of this through.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Another day another rape victim …yet aparently it’s Biden that’s needs to drop out

What a joke

What on earth are you talking about now?

 

[Gough]

Trump: "This is what I'm going to do"
Trump supporter: "He didn't mean it that way."

 

[bourbons]

Few thoughts on your predictions above.

Just to tug on a few threads in this majestic tapestry of bullshit

there will be no change in abortion laws as a result of Trump

Riiiiiight. There will be no change, indeed there has been no change, in the US on abortion laws as a result of Trump, nice one lol

mass shootings are a result of decreased societal trust, lessening standards of personal responsibility, increased prevalence of mental illness not the number or access to guns

Mass shootings not due to access to guns, gotcha. Just mental health issues, wow I didn't actually realise mental illness only exists in the US, the more you know!

Never mind the fact that Republicans have no interest in addressing mental illness issues anyway

 

[faible]

Well the below is probably right…

The document labels the FBI a “bloated, arrogant, increasingly lawless organization” and calls for drastic overhauls of this and other federal agencies,.

The pr0n thing is an interesting one. No doubt the pr0n industry is doing harm (along with gambling, tabbaco, alcohol and drugs), but not sure how they reconcile that with the whole increasing personal freedom thing (classic religion really).

Trump has repeatedly stated that abortion should be up to the states as far as I’m aware.

What in this project 25 doc worries people. Seems like a bunch of white Christian folk have compiled their Christmas list. Do people think Trump is going to push all of this through.

The GOP has released a new policy platform since 2016. So we literally only have sound bites from Trump as to what he intends to do. Usually with no detail as to how he might do it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/29/politics/trump-campaign-gop-platform/index.html

According to this article the GOP are planning on re-writing their platform to be more concise, which sounds fine. But they've also flagged the previous policy had words the Democrats used against them. So my guess is it'll had fewer words, with limited detail as to how anything will be enacted. Suitably vague enough to provide headlines, much like the slogan Make America Great Again. No idea why it isn't great now, was great in the past but is no longer, or will suddenly be great again in the future.

Top advisers to Donald Trump are plotting an overhaul of the Republican Party platform that will dramatically slash its size and refocus the GOP around the former president’s agenda for a second term.

“Publishing an unnecessarily verbose treatise will provide more fuel for our opponent’s fire of misinformation and misrepresentation to voters,”

 

[swingdog]

But none of the above is close to reality. You've cherry picked an organization and then somehow tied Trump's entire platform to it.
I don't think anyone has heard of 'Project2025' save for some conspiracy theorists on Twitter.

Translation: “I don’t like your answer and I don’t want to think.”

 

[Satan]

But none of the above is close to reality. You've cherry picked an organization and then somehow tied Trump's entire platform to it.
I don't think anyone has heard of 'Project2025' save for some conspiracy theorists on Twitter.

no

Project 2025: The Trump presidency wish list, explained

An influential think tank wants the Federal Reserve and Department of Education to be abolished, among other ideas.

www.bbc.com

 

[bourbons]

But none of the above is close to reality. You've cherry picked an organization and then somehow tied Trump's entire platform to it.
I don't think anyone has heard of 'Project2025' save for some conspiracy theorists on Twitter.

Sorry, you'll need to step me through how referencing Trump's verified quote of "other than day one" in response to being asked if he'll be a dictator isn't close to reality

Another quote from the same article;

The former president, who has long expressed regard for authoritarian leaders and the power they wield, is now vowing vengeance and retribution as he outlines a second-term agenda marked by an unprecedented expansion of executive power, unparalleled interference in the justice system, and a massive purge of civil servants.

Indeed, hours before his remarks were aired, a longtime ally who is widely expected to serve in a top national security role if Trump returns to the White House vowed to target journalists in a second Trump term.

“We’re going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections,” said Kash Patel, even though numerous federal and local officials, a long list of courts, top former campaign staffers and even Trump’s own attorney general have all said there is no evidence of the fraud he alleges.

Seems like a fair bit of overlap there with the Project 2025 stuff, no?

 

[adogsfan5]

'By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, first black woman... to serve with a black president. Proud to be involved of the first black woman on the Supreme Court. There's so much that we can do because, look... we're the United States of America.'

Lets hope he doesn't mix up Iran and Israel.

Nooooo… that’s surely not what he said?!

 

[MPMonkeys]

Just to tug on a few threads in this majestic tapestry of bullshit


Riiiiiight. There will be no change, indeed there has been no change, in the US on abortion laws as a result of Trump, nice one lol


Mass shootings not due to access to guns, gotcha. Just mental health issues wow I didn't actually realise mental illness only exists in the US, the more you know!

Never mind the fact that Republicans have no interest in addressing mental illness issues anyway

There has been no real change on abortion laws and I'm not sure what it has to do with Trump anyway given he was not in power when RvW was overturned.

In any case, Trump is hardly a bible thumper. He has consistently said abortion laws should be left to the states so RvW is inconsequential anyway.

 

[Borough Blood]

But none of the above is close to reality. You've cherry picked an organization and then somehow tied Trump's entire platform to it.
I don't think anyone has heard of 'Project2025' save for some conspiracy theorists on Twitter.

John Oliver on a second Trump term: ‘Really does promise to be far, far worse’ | John Oliver | The Guardian

The Last Week Tonight host looks into what would happen if Trump were re-elected, this time with a conservative playbook called Project 2025

amp.theguardian.com

 

[MPMonkeys]

Seems like a fair bit of overlap there with the Project 2025 stuff, no?

Seems like you are projecting a persons views onto Trump and then trying to twist that onto this insane Project 2025 stuff.

 

[bourbons]

There has been no real change on abortion laws and I'm not sure what it has to do with Trump anyway given he was not in power when RvW was overturned.

In any case, Trump is hardly a bible thumper. He has consistently said abortion laws should be left to the states so RvW is inconsequential anyway.

Surely I don't need to step you through the mechanics of SC appointments? Surely!??

The man himself disagrees with you and FlowersByIrene on this one in any case

Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'

The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MPMonkeys]

What next - I pick something from Channel 31 and project it onto Albanese or Dutton.

 

[faible]

There has been no real change on abortion laws and I'm not sure what it has to do with Trump anyway given he was not in power when RvW was overturned.

In any case, Trump is hardly a bible thumper. He has consistently said abortion laws should be left to the states so RvW is inconsequential anyway.

This idea that everything should just be left to the individual States; how long before Texas and California decide 'you know what, we have nothing in common and we're going to go our own way'.

 

[Seeds]

Another day another rape victim …yet aparently it’s Biden that’s needs to drop out

What a joke

There is no mechanism to kick out a king/dictator

 

[MPMonkeys]

Surely I don't need to step you through the mechanics of SC appointments? Surely!??

The man himself disagrees with you and FlowersByIrene on this one in any case

Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'

The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans.

www.nbcnews.com

So he is now responsible for every decision the SC makes?
My understanding is that RvW was overturned on some technical legal issue anyway.