USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Biden II

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[magpie_marty]

Anyone else get the feeling the democrats are going to try to delude themselves into thinking biden is still their best bet?

2 days ago I thought it was a done deal. Now it looks far from that.

Alas they will go with Joe.

 

[Blue1980]

If Biden steps down, his replacement will be 'even worse'.

Trump is going to win the next election, and Biden is the only viable candidate that has a chance to beat him.

Based on what?

 

[Jello_B]

CM86
What are the top three things that you think Trump will do that you are worried about. May I also ask that you be explicit (ie don’t say something like increased erosion of minority rights), and give examples where useful.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Maybe go back to the 2012 debate between Romney and Obama. Civilized debate with both sides talking policy. Such a change from today's shit show.

Two much younger much more energetic, concise, coherent men.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Rather B. Obama/ Romney II actually.

 

[pjcrows]

Off topic. But do you still value Jimmy Dore's opinion?

Sometimes, on his anti establishment stances, but don't follow him as closely as I used to to be honest.

 

[pjcrows]

Anyone else get the feeling the democrats are going to try to delude themselves into thinking biden is still their best bet?

2 days ago I thought it was a done deal. Now it looks far from that.

No chance that he is the nominee.

 

[Blue1980]

No chance that he is the nominee.

I still think so, in terms of all the people currently saying he’s their man in the Democratic Party they are going to say that up to the exact moment he no longer is.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Err that is projection on your part.

Do you think we are still living under restricted freedoms post covid?

I just think you went down conspiracy rabbit holes during covid and will stay there indefinitely as those views are too much part of your identity now to ever give up.

Yep, sunk cost fallacy and cognitive dissonance, regardless of his purported political degree!?

 

[Present Not Past]

There won't be a 2nd one.

There will be a second Presidential debate on ABC on Sept 10th.
It may even include RFK Jr. He may qualify for that one.
There's also a debate on July 11th in Las Vegas.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not at all actually, i've been following politics my whole life and have a degree in it. I was just making the point that covid turned politics into something we couldn't reasonably comprehend before and now you all act like its normal.

That Trump University Degree isn't worth the paper you printed it on.

 

[Blue1980]

Yep, sunk cost fallacy and cognitive dissonance, regardless of his purported political degree!?

Pretty much.

 

[Present Not Past]

Alas they will go with Joe.

The 5 stages of grief:

• denial.
• anger.
• bargaining.
• depression.
• acceptance.

They will go with Joe.
They have no choice.
They stuffed up.

 

[spinynorman]

Pelosi's comments on Morning Joe just now were a pretty big hedge.

“It’s up to the president to decide if he is going to run,” Pelosi said Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” when asked if Biden has her support to lead the Democratic Party in November. “We’re all encouraging him to make that decision. Because time is running short.”

 

[Present Not Past]

Pelosi's comments on Morning Joe just now were a pretty big hedge.

“It’s up to the president to decide if he is going to run,” Pelosi said Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” when asked if Biden has her support to lead the Democratic Party in November. “We’re all encouraging him to make that decision. Because time is running short.”

The worst thing that you can do when confronting an authoritarian figure like Trump, is to appear weak.
Ditching Biden now, is weak.
The decision to replace Biden needed to be made before the primaries.
They didn't do it.

 

[Blue1980]

The 5 stages of grief:

• denial.
• anger.
• bargaining.
• depression.
• acceptance.

They will go with Joe.
They have no choice.
They stuffed up.

I’m still confident he will be gone before the dem convention on August 19. They are just hoping Biden can campaign like he would have 5-10 years ago and turn it around.

When it’s obvious that’s not happening with the polls next 2 weeks, he will “resign”.

I still also think behind the scenes there are discussions on what the process will look like to replace him and this whole “we are with Biden until death” is a distraction which buys them time to figure it out.

 

[Chief]

covid turned politics into something we couldn't reasonably comprehend before

Tell us how Covid did this.

 

[Present Not Past]

I’m still confident he will be gone before the dem convention on August 19. They are just hoping Biden can campaign like he would have 5-10 years ago and turn it around.

When it’s obvious that’s not happening with the polls next 2 weeks, he will “resign”.

I still also think behind the scenes there are discussions on what the process will look like to replace him and this whole “we are with Biden until death” is a distraction which buys them time to figure it out.

If the Democrats were dealing with a rational Republican Party, I would agree with you.
However, the MAGA Party is insane.
The Democrats are dealing with insanity.
The Democrats can't back down down now.
Indecision in this instance is weakness.

 

[Golden_6]

I think the Dems are cooked. Biden certainly isn’t pushing voters to Trump, he’s just pushing them away from the polls altogether which we all know is a Republicans dream.

 

[GreyCrow]

I still think so, in terms of all the people currently saying he’s their man in the Democratic Party they are going to say that up to the exact moment he no longer is.

He has the full support of the Board

 

[Present Not Past]

I think the Dems are cooked. Biden certainly isn’t pushing voters to Trump, he’s just pushing them away from the polls altogether which we all know is a Republicans dream.

There's no proof that Biden is pushing votes away from the Democratic Party.
Care to offer some proof up?

 

[GreyCrow]

The worst thing that you can do when confronting an authoritarian figure like Trump, is to appear weak.

The even worse position is to do nothing

Trump will do and say whatever he wants so let it happen anyway

Ditching Biden now, is weak.
The decision to replace Biden needed to be made before the primaries.
They didn't do it.

I think the discussion should have been had 18 months ago but it can still happen

 

[GreyCrow]

There's no proof that Biden is pushing votes away from the Democratic Party.
Care to offer some proof up?

In the American system people not turning up to vote is a version of pushing

Its not so much voting for Democrats its having enough votes to defeat the Republicans - the same as it was 2020

 

[Blue1980]

He has the full support of the Board

Bingo, until he doesn’t

 

[Present Not Past]

The even worse position is to do nothing

Trump will do and say whatever he wants so let it happen anyway

I think the discussion should have been had 18 months ago but it can still happen

The Democrats did do nothing. That's the worst position as you say.
By dumping Biden, Trump will say that the Democrats are indecisive
and weak.
Yes, the decision should have been made months ago.
But no, it can't be changed so late in the campaign.