USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[Mick F]

There's no doubt that Trump's first (and next) cuts are a grotesque extension of it, with the added point of interest that they are to the direct disadvantage of most of his supporters.

I'm not arguing that this isn't a significant difference between Harris and Trump.

It's a broader point that the system is mired in inequality, and that Dems have been unable or unwilling to challenge it, and have often been an accomplice.

In relation to Harris more specifically, there is an absence of promising signs.

The poor can’t pay tax and the rich (and powerful) won’t. It has been forever thus.

 

[JB1975]

Stick around m8. The regulars scarcely tolerate any opinion other than "orange man bad" (or the sharing of a tweet stating same) but it's still a fun old time... on Wednesdays there's free cake.

If I keep finding myself being lumped with retrograde riff-raff like you, then I'm going to leave.

After next Wednesday's cake.

 

[JB1975]

The poor can’t pay tax and the rich (and powerful) won’t. It has been forever thus.

I know what you're saying, Mick, but this isn't quite right.

The status quo in the US is a horror show, and you'd have trouble finding any democracy which comes close to its level of inequality.

The other thing is that it wasn't always like this. Once upon a time, even if it was nearly 50 years ago, the US was considerably closer to its ideal as a 'land of opportunity'.

It wasn't always 'thus', and some people refuse to believe that it should remain 'thus'.

 

[DaTBird187]

I'm being too easily misunderstood, and the likes and loves of FireKrakouer are not helpful.

On a day of glorious revolution, FK and his ilk would be summarily shot and/or forced to drink light beer.

Or shoot light beer.

 

[Mick F]

I know what you're saying, Mick, but this isn't quite right.

The status quo in the US is a horror show, and you'd have trouble finding any democracy which comes close to its level of inequality.

The other thing is that it wasn't always like this. Once upon a time, even if it was nearly 50 years ago, the US was considerably closer to its ideal as a 'land of opportunity'.

It wasn't always 'thus', and some people refuse to believe that it should remain 'thus'.

Unfortunately the $$$ attracts the avaricious, rather than leaders. A major downfall in a represents democracy. Unfortunately you need to be self absorbed, and driven by personal riches, to be financially capable of winning pre-selection.

Similarly led to ‘unqualified’ people securing management positions - leading to a drop off in productivity, GDP and quality of life.

Important that the ‘right’ qualities are rewarded - not only with toddlers.

 

[JB1975]

Or shoot light beer.

I have plans.

Rounding them up and forcing them to endure a Taylor Swift concert is one. We'll announce that the bar is open, then watch as a flock of red caps descend upon fridges full of Bud Light.

We could lock them in at that point and be assured that only a handful would live to leave.

 

[EagleMan87]

I know what you're saying, Mick, but this isn't quite right.

The status quo in the US is a horror show, and you'd have trouble finding any democracy which comes close to its level of inequality.

The other thing is that it wasn't always like this. Once upon a time, even if it was nearly 50 years ago, the US was considerably closer to its ideal as a 'land of opportunity'.

It wasn't always 'thus', and some people refuse to believe that it should remain 'thus'.

The main reason for this was the Great Depression, and FDR's New Deal 'socialist' policies (as well as WWII).

Unfortunately, gerrymandering and rusted on party voters make anything like that almost impossible to achieve nowadays.

As others have pointed out, though: Democrats are far more likely to put forward policies that actually help reduce inequality than the alternative.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/332?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22alexandria%22%5D%7D&s=4&r=5

 

[carltonchelsea]

The 80s correlates pretty well with when the US started going down the shitter and every decade since then has been spiralling, so not really.

Agreed, Reagan and Thatcher started to **** the middle class over!

 

[carltonchelsea]

The 50s and 60s in the US, economically, not too many better places to live.

High corporate and wealth taxation, agreed again!

 

[BigTacoBandit]

I wonder what big car manufacturer would benefit from this?

Gonna add to inflation too

 

[JB1975]

The main reason for this was the Great Depression, and FDR's New Deal 'socialist' policies (as well as WWII).

Unfortunately, gerrymandering and rusted on party voters make anything like that almost impossible to achieve nowadays.

As others have pointed out, though: Democrats are far more likely to put forward policies that actually help reduce inequality than the alternative.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/332?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22alexandria%22%5D%7D&s=4&r=5

You're forgetting LBJ's 'Great Society' programs in the 1960s, which managed to get up amidst a hostile Congress and the Vietnam War.

I know that the Democrats are more inclined to pay attention to poor folk, but there needs to be some acknowledgment that things have continued to shift in the wrong direction, and that many people have a right/reason to feel like their vote has been taken for granted.

Not acknowledging this (as well as not doing enough to correct the perception) has been instrumental in the creation of Trump.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I think that this is only slightly less ill-advised than branding people a 'basket of deplorables'.

I'd suggest that Black-American men in PA and other places know how valuable women are in their lives. Calling them 'uncomfortable' with the idea of a woman as President seems counterproductive.

lol, are you black?
Obama rarely reads the situation poorly.
Are you aware that one of the reasons Kamala is at a disadvantage in the election is because many think the US is not ready for a female president?

 

[Crankyhawk]

One of the good PA watchers. Dems need to build the lead in early voting as per below.



Current status. Apparently looking good so far.

Must admit I m not keen on early voting results being published as it could affect behaviour of voters on election day

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Must admit I m not keen on early voting results being published as it could affect behaviour of voters on election day

They are not results. They are simply the registration of the voters who have returned mail in votes.

 

[Mofra]

Stick around m8. The regulars scarcely tolerate any opinion other than "orange man bad" (or the sharing of a tweet stating same) but it's still a fun old time... on Wednesdays there's free cake.

*Urinal cake

 

[ep2018]

Did something happen this week? I notice Trump is now favourite to win with the bookies? Trump $1.70 Harris $2.25

 

[OneGreatClub]

The US love affair with Capitalism at all costs and the acceptance of the myth of trickle down economics has paid a large part in destroying that country over recent times.
Capitalism is their GOd any form of Socialism is depicted as the devil.
The Dems at least have policies to try to help those in the middle and lower echelons.
Trumpism only plans to help the Oligarchy.

 

[Satan]

There really isn’t a cult Trump doesn’t like if they will give him money and power.
Scraping the barrel with the Moonies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bae_Sang-moon ??

 

[OneGreatClub]

Did something happen this week? I notice Trump is now favourite to win with the bookies? Trump $1.70 Harris $2.25

Just a ploy as he will run on massive fraud if he loses.

 

[OneGreatClub]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bae_Sang-moon ??

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...iron-ministry-jan-6-sean-moon-moonie-1398447/ ??

 

[Satan]

Or shoot light beer.

Like fk Kid is full of crap

Kid Rock Drinks Bud Light Beer After Shooting Up Cases

Kid Rock seemingly can't turn down the light, refreshing taste of a Bud Light -- no matter who is on the can -- sipping on a cold one only months after he obliterated cases of the beer with an AR-style rifle.

www.tmz.com

 

[carltonchelsea]

I do criticise Republicans.

I give my thoughts, where I think they’re novel and where I’m in the mood to express them. That’s all there is to it.

Now, if someone wants to start a thread about spinynorman they’re free to, but let’s get back to talking about Trump vs Harris.

Cool man!
Now name one good policy or action that trump had/did during his 4 years?
Can you name any policies that Biden/Harris have passed implemented that have benefited wider America?

 

[Satan]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...iron-ministry-jan-6-sean-moon-moonie-1398447/ ??

So no relation

 

[Satan]

The US love affair with Capitalism at all costs and the acceptance of the myth of trickle down economics has paid a large part in destroying that country over recent times.
Capitalism is their GOd any form of Socialism is depicted as the devil.
The Dems at least have policies to try to help those in the middle and lower echelons.
Trumpism only plans to help the Oligarchy.

Oy

 

[JB1975]

lol, are you black?
Obama rarely reads the situation poorly.
Are you aware that one of the reasons Kamala is at a disadvantage in the election is because many think the US is not ready for a female president?

I'm not a Black-American, no.

I think it's time for me to acknowledge that this should disqualify me from making any assessment of how Obama makes a pitch to Black-American men.

After all, it seems that there's a racial hive-mind which Barack is attuned to, one that isn't really disturbed by any other factors such as gender, socio-economics, human psychology etc.

I withdraw my comments.