USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[JB1975]

And how were they going to over throw the election in real terms?
I’d love you to explain how it was going to happen. Some bloke with horns on his head carrying a pocket knife was suddenly going to take over the entire US armed forces and impose martial law.

Deranged nonsense.

It's okay, you don't really understand what was happening at the time. It's a short story, we can walk you through it.

A loon named Donald thought he could overturn the result by preventing 'certification'. The evidence being gathered by the special prosecutor makes this quite clear.

The loons who supported the loon named Donald were led to believe the same thing. Some of those people are now in prison.

Fair to say that the effort was never going to be successful, but the intentions were solid enough.

Fair to say the intentions are still there and might find other means.

 

[King Patty]

Do the intellectuals at big footy believe in the deep state?

 

[Present Not Past]

What’s the point of highlighting him limping recently? Do you somehow think that somehow detracts from his ability to run the country?

Somehow it does when Joe Biden was President (Sleepy).
I guess he'll have to call himself Limpy Donald Trump if he ever makes it to the White House.
What's the point o highlighting it?
I guess because it's a Trumpism now.

 

[magpie_marty]

I enjoy how apparently these people are simultaneously smart enough to pull off stealing an entire election without any evidence, but also so dumb they'll post the results on prime time TV two weeks in ad

ok, beside the number problem, they were there to disrupt the process. To give an excuse for the plan to be executed.
You can't look at it so simplistically. Like any pawns, they most likely thought they were going to change the election outcome, hence the gallows, weapons, and violence.

Still amazed that the people that smuggled in the wood etc to erect the gallows have not been caught

 

[Present Not Past]

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If you want us to discuss the Deep State, please don't quote frauds like Jeffrey Tucker.

 

[OneGreatClub]

You know we mock Trump and he deserves it 100% and he definitely is a fascist but if he wins the election he will be pretty quickly put out to pasture by Vance Thiel and Elon.
He is either so incredibly dumb and self absorbed that he doesn’t see it or he has been promised protection from any court cases by them if he steps aside.
Thiel and Musk and Bannon and their Putin and Crypto connections are really concerning. God knows what plans they have..
I believe that the world is not going to know what has hit it if they succeed and all those small minded low info MAGA voters will get the biggest shock of all.

 

[JB1975]

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Do you think it's news for anyone that US politicians are 'bought off' or otherwise compromised?

It isn't about 'the deep state', it's about the fact that America's status as the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world has eroded democracy over the decades and placed some daunting barriers between government and 'the people'.

But the fact that US democracy is rather sick does not mean that we should let a butcher like Trump anywhere near the operating table.

 

[Spearman]

I think the amount of evidence they just as lack of evidence, as they don’t believe any one person could be so criminal and brazen about it so it must be a witch hunt.

Well, to me, it is not just one person. Trump had a desire. It was all those PoSs that came up with the scheme; the fake electors, the questioning of the certification, and all the other subplots. This was and is the real danger. And it was a plot, involving members of the federal government. This was the horror that had never been seen before in US history.
That was then, now, that same plan is waiting to be tried again with corrections for oversights and mistakes the first attempt had.

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

What do you think happens to people in the states with voter ID who can’t afford to get it? Do you think there should be a cost barrier to people being allowed to vote? What proof of address requirements do you think people without fixed address should be required to provide in order to obtain the ID that enfranchises them? Do you otherwise support such an enormous expansion of government bureaucracy, or only in putting obstacles between people (generally living in poverty) and their civil rights?

Why are you assuming poverty disproportionately affects Democrat voters? That excuse is weak as water.

We all know the real reason Dem states don’t want voter ID is because they just spent 4 years flooding the country with illegal undocumented immigrants and they want those same illegals to vote Democrat.

Funny how in 2021 Democrats pushed for vaccine ID to go outside of their own homes, but when voting for President no ID is required.

The hypocrisy of the left. Let’s bump that thread again.

 

[Satan]

Still amazed that the people that smuggled in the wood etc to erect the gallows have not been caught

A fair few caught were dobbed in

https://www.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrests/

 

[100action]

You know we mock Trump and he deserves it 100% and he definitely is a fascist but if he wins the election he will be pretty quickly put out to pasture by Vance Thiel and Elon.
He is either so incredibly dumb and self absorbed that he doesn’t see it or he has been promised protection from any court cases by them if he steps aside.
Thiel and Musk and Bannon and their Putin and Crypto connections are really concerning. God knows what plans they have..
I believe that the world is not going to know what has hit it if they succeed and all those small minded low info MAGA voters will get the biggest shock of all.

take it easy fren and i hope you are OK

its an election that ordinary australian have no influence over

don't stress over it

 

[Blue1980]

Do you think it's news for anyone that US politicians are 'bought off' or otherwise compromised?

It isn't about 'the deep state', it's about the fact that America's status as the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world has eroded democracy over the decades and placed some daunting barriers between government and 'the people'.

But the fact that US democracy is rather sick does not mean that we should let a butcher like Trump anywhere near the operating table.

Donor money in US politics is poison, basically since the late 70s legalised bribes to politicians became legal.

Any people supporting Trump out there, don’t mistake me and most of this thread for people who don’t hate the American political system and the dems govern as far to the right as they think they can get away with.

If the Dems actually wanted they could implement a whole bunch of popular policies and shit it in. Instead they only want to win by lurching as far right as they can to keep donors on side.

Make no mistake Dems donor class and most of the dem party itself would prefer a Trump presidency to a Bernie or AOC or genuine progressive. Im talking the members in congress here, not the voters, the dem voters are wayyy more progressive than the party itself.

The whole Cheney thing says it all, they'd get bloody Kim jung un campaigning with Harris if he endorsed her and hated trump.

**** the democrats, but **** the psychotic fascist republicans way more.

 

[Blue1980]

Why are you assuming poverty disproportionately affects Democrat voters? That excuse is weak as water.

We all know the real reason Dem states don’t want voter ID is because they just spent 4 years flooding the country with illegal undocumented immigrants and they want those same illegals to vote Democrat.

Funny how in 2021 Democrats pushed for vaccine ID to go outside of their own homes, but when voting for President no ID is required.

The hypocrisy of the left. Let’s bump that thread again.

Illegal immigrants can’t vote and no evidence of them doing so.

I don’t want poor Republican voters disenfranchised either re your point above. I know you think of all this as a zero sum game but I want democracy to you know, work.

 

[Present Not Past]

You know we mock Trump and he deserves it 100% and he definitely is a fascist but if he wins the election he will be pretty quickly put out to pasture by Vance Thiel and Elon.
He is either so incredibly dumb and self absorbed that he doesn’t see it or he has been promised protection from any court cases by them if he steps aside.
Thiel and Musk and Bannon and their Putin and Crypto connections are really concerning. God knows what plans they have..
I believe that the world is not going to know what has hit it if they succeed and all those small minded low info MAGA voters will get the biggest shock of all.

It's hilarious that Trump actually ran on a platform of draining the swamp in 2016.
If Trump manages to get back into the WH, the swamp that he will foster with Elon, Thiel and all of the other high tech billionaires, siphoning off billions of dollars in government contracts, will make the Washington Swamp look like a duck pond.
It will actually, in fact, replicate the Russian Oligarch Model.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I hope Trump loses so you can find a new thing to say whenever there’s a criticism levelled at the Democrats.

Well, I hope Trump loses for more fundamental reasons than that.

But in the context of this post, a bonus to me of Trump losing will be that I don't have to read posts that snipe Democrats by sarcastically suggesting it's good that they have empathy for opposition politicians even if they don't care about the plight of Palestinian kids. At the same time not acknowledging that the alternative is a guy who has zero empathy for opposition politicians (or anyone else, except perhaps his daughter and youngest son) and also doesn't care about the plight of Palestinian kids.

I'm also puzzled as to why you'd be so disingenuous to claim that you like both candidates.

 

[Present Not Past]

Funny how in 2021 Democrats pushed for vaccine ID to go outside of their own homes, but when voting for President no ID is required.

No one in Australia has to provide id to vote.
I think your argument is broken.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

As I’ve mentioned I’m not falling into that trap, they want us to back off so then they can post their bad faith fact free BS and expect us to take it seriously.

Anyone doing that deserves all the scorn and derision they get.

Agree 100%.

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

It's hilarious that Trump actually ran on a platform of draining the swamp in 2016.
If Trump manages to get back into the WH, the swamp that he will foster with Elon, Thiel and all of the other high tech billionaires, siphoning off billions of dollars in government contracts, will make the Washington Swamp look like a duck pond.
It will actually, in fact, replicate the Russian Oligarch Model.

Fear fear fear. It’s like your oxygen.

Nevermind the 4 years he’s already presided and your fear mongering about the nuclear weapons never happened. In fact the opposite happened.

Still baffles me how leftists have nothing other than fear to run on after 3 years of peace and tranquillity (except for the bogus impeachments which were proven to be complete fraudulent evidence) and then Covid in his 4th year.

But go on, live in fear. Must be your happy place.

 

[Present Not Past]

Fear fear fear. Yours like your oxygen.

Fear of what Trump has already said that he will do.
Move along.
You're done.

 

[Bloods86]

Do the intellectuals at big footy believe in the deep state?View attachment 2155630

I believe the US has been shaped over decades into a system that benefits corporations and powerful interest groups like big fossil fuel companies, banks, the investment class, big pharma, healthcare providers, military industries, prison management companies etc. Lobbying and campaign financing are significantly to blame.

Both parties bear responsibility, though there are more Democrats and depending on the target, some Republicans, that would do anything to curtail this.

Certainly Trump's record with his tax cuts and pro Corporate judicial and cabinet appointments, among other de-regulatory and legislative moves, suggest strongly he's worse out of the 2.

The "administrative state", while having legitimate criticisms, is largely a deflection away from these real issues. Republicans and Trump would have people believe it's the departments of Education or Health, the FBI, and regulatory bodies that are the problem. But they just want to sabotage these agencies so people are less informed, there's less oversight of corporate America, less consequences for wrongdoing, and more money to be siphoned upwards and away from services to lower, middle classes.

 

[Randomizor]

Fear fear fear. Yours like your oxygen.

Nevermind the 4 years he’s already presided and your fear mongering about the nuclear weapons never happened. In fact the opposite happened.

Still baffles me how leftists have nothing other than fear to run on after 3 years of peace and tranquillity (except for the bogus impeachments which were proven to be complete fraudulent evidence) and then Covid in his 4th year.

But go on, live in fear. Must be your happy place.

Speaking of impeachments, what ever happened to the Biden impeachment inquiry?

Guess it was all bullshit?

 

[Bloods86]

Why are you assuming poverty disproportionately affects Democrat voters? That excuse is weak as water.

We all know the real reason Dem states don’t want voter ID is because they just spent 4 years flooding the country with illegal undocumented immigrants and they want those same illegals to vote Democrat.

Funny how in 2021 Democrats pushed for vaccine ID to go outside of their own homes, but when voting for President no ID is required.

The hypocrisy of the left. Let’s bump that thread again.

"We all know" = "I have no evidence"

 

[Crankyhawk]

Then if Trump loses he will have my details “even Blue1980, he doesn’t like me very much, but I’ve read his posts, very smart guy, even if we don’t see eye to eye, and he put $1000 on win the election, and I called him and he said with tears in his eyes, sir I know they stole the election off you”

god no don't bet with any trump owned betting agency (they wont pay out if you win).

 

[Satan]

Speaking of impeachments, what ever happened to the Biden impeachment inquiry?

Guess it was all bullshit?

The prime witness scarped

 

[Blue1980]

"We all know" = "I have no evidence"

He even parrots dear leaders language. "everyone is saying it, many people"