USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[stefcep]

Who would have guessed that he would get less popular votes than he did in 2020?

Who noticed..or cared..

 

[Seeds]

He will continue on a national scale what is already happening in Red States:

Lower taxes encouraging business investment creating jobs

Less regulations on businesses encouraging business investment creating jobs

Cracking down on illegal immigration that has the effect of lowering wages and reducing tax revenue.

Tougher on law and order which keeps people more secure about themselves and their property.

Tariffs which encourage purchase of local products over subsidized overseas ones creating local jobs and tax revenue.

All of this has a real and measurable effect as can be seen by the movement of people away from Blue states into Red ones and the growth of the Red state economies in the last few years.

But america doesnt need more jobs. Unemployment is near 60 year lows. There isnt enough workers as there is. Lowering taxes to promote business which cant offer more jobs is bad for equality because it leads to less government services that disproportionately support poor people. Promoting business is only good for poor people when unemployment is high.

Tough on law and order disproportionately protects wealthy people more then poor as wealthy people have more assets. Not saying its not a worthwhile policy but it doesnt address inequality.

Tariffs force prices up which reduces the spending power of people. Including poor people. Again doesnt create jobs because unemployment is already low.

Ps. income levels per capita are lower in red states then blue and the proportion of poor people is higher in red states. Growth is not the measure to look at. Most african regions have higher growth then the usa. Do you want to live there?

 

[Maggie5]

Only a matter of time until we see Australian anti “woke” candidate run and win.

I really can't see Australians voting for 3 time adulterer, sexual predator, felon, habitual liar, multiple time failed businesses, stealing from his own charity or ripping students off.

 

[JB1975]

He will expand on a national scale what is already happening in Red States:

Lower taxes encouraging business investment creating jobs

Less regulations on businesses encouraging business investment creating jobs

Cracking down on illegal immigration that has the effect of lowering wages and reducing tax revenue.

Tougher on law and order which keeps people more secure about themselves and their property.

Tariffs which encourage purchase of local products over subsidized overseas ones creating local jobs and tax revenue.

All of this has a real and measurable effect as can be seen by the movement of people away from Blue states into Red ones and the growth of the Red state economies in the last few years.

This sounds less like a prescription for economic fairness and more like a Republican mating call.

Mmm, take off those regulations...take it all off.

Is that some law and order in your pocket or are you...oh, handcuffs!

 

[Seeds]

Hey there. Thank you for replying to my post. Your thoughts and comments are deeply appreciated.

Before we commence a discussion, however, I would humbly ask that you re-read the post you've replied to. That you think I've suggested that Donald Trump is in the business of addressing economic inequality in the United States tells me that you've made a serious error in comprehension.

Such an error makes any further exchange between us a fraught and unnecessarily frustrating exercise.

Kindly, JB.

My question still holds even with the word pretends. How do you think he even pretends to address it more then demcrats?

 

[Blue1980]

hahah not a bad joke

If it wasn’t a joke….why on earth anyone would wish a politician be murdered is beyond me!

It fascinates me how some people take this US presidential election way too seriously. Can you imagine labour/liberal supporters during the Hawke/Keating/Howard era wanting the non preferred candidate murdered?

And we still had beers together and shook hands no matter who won. We certainly didn’t look down on the other just because they preferred a different political party! My god what has happened to us?

When you have more people struggling and greater inequality, people get angry and look for others to blame.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This is MAGA. He’ll get his jaw broken one day then will piss and moan about it.




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[Blue1980]

Getting back to reality, where some of chose to live, have we seen the text messages yet?View attachment 2161266View attachment 2161267View attachment 2161268
In a coordinated attack the morning after the election, sent to thousands of black folks, some children and some very personally detailed.
This is MAGA, if you support MAGA, this is you.
Own it….

Cue the “no one can take a joke anymore” crowd.

 

[Blue1980]

Oh wait hang on there’s more………View attachment 2161274View attachment 2161275
The Taliban for ****s sake.
The Taliban and the Ku Klux Klan.
It’s going to be a really shit 4 years, might have add to my collection…..

This is truly a victory for the good guys

 

[stefcep]

But america doesnt need more jobs. Unemployment is near 60 year lows. There isnt enough workers as there is. Lowering taxes to promote business which cant offer more jobs is bad for equality because it leads to less government services that disproportionately support poor people. Promoting business is only good for poor people when unemployment is high.

The more vacancies the more employers will have to pay to get workers. Wages will rise.

Tough on law and order disproportionately protects wealthy people more then poor as wealthy people have more assets. Not saying its a worthwhile policy but it doesnt address inequality.

All respect but that is such a strange way to argue a point of inequality. Everyone cares about being protected from criminals, both personally and their assets.

Tariffs force prices up which reduces the spending power of people. Including poor people. Again doesnt create jobs because unemployment is already low.

See this is where the media misrepresentation is annoying.

The entire point of tariffs is to raise prices of foreign goods, so that they are not purchased. That is the point.

Now if people choose to buy the tarriffed goods, then that is not what the government wants and that's on them. Either way the government wins because they get more tax revenue.

We also know tariffs work to reduce demand of those goods because there is usually retaliation-the other side retaliates because they are now selling less goods. And that's the point.

 

[Gethelred]

He can't because it wasn't.

Sounds like he's up shit creek then, doesn't it?

 

[Blue1980]

Im sorry but how is trump trying to address economic inequality but the democrats arent?

Democrats push for minimum wage increases, free college education, stregthening health care.

What does trump push for that more then offsets what democrats do?

The Dems make token efforts, then go “oh darn it’s those pesky republicans who won’t let us”

 

[JB1975]

My question still holds even with the word pretends. How do you think he even pretends to address it more then demcrats?

Pretends is they key word.

Crikey, that's been exhaustively analysed since Trump came on the scene. It's the heart of his schtick. The very notion of making America great again refers to a (mythological) time when ordinary people could buy into the American Dream.

It doesn't take much more than a slogan, especially when you combine it with the notion of a 'swamp' in which professional politicians line their own pockets at the expense of the greater good.

Given a context in which wealth has been steadily accumulating at the top while the middle has been continually squeezed, and the script almost writes itself.

 

[bourbons]

Her was just one example of the Democrats. An important example given that was black woman who was raised in poverty and it was Biden that blocked her nomination.

The Democrats also blocked multiple republican nominations over multiple years.

So you're right what the Democrats did is not the same-its actually worse.

Uh huh

Yes, multiple individuals they had issues with for whatever reason, and I'm not saying that was right to do either by the way. But its still not halting the entire nomination process coz they refused to accept any nomination from the other side - if they just had a problem with Garland and blocked him specifically yes it would be the same (obvious importance of SC vs lower courts aside), but thats not what happened and you know that.

 

[stefcep]

This sounds less like a prescription for economic fairness and more like a Republican mating call.

Mmm, take off those regulations...take it all off.

Is that some law and order in your pocket or are you...oh, handcuffs!

Well its already working in Republican run States.

 

[stefcep]

Uh huh

Yes, multiple individuals they had issues with for whatever reason, and I'm not saying that was right to do either by the way. But its still not halting the entire nomination process coz they refused to accept any nomination from the other side - if they just had a problem with Garland and blocked him specifically yes it would be the same, but thats not what happened and you know that.

Mate its the same thing. Oh but it was different Court, or but was a different time oh but it was a different candidate oh but you didn't even want to hear who the candidate was blah blah.


The democrats blocked for political reasons, the Republicans returned the favour. You block ours, we'll block yours.

 

[bourbons]

Mate its the same thing. You block ours, will block yours.

So you keep saying, without providing any rationale as to why blocking a few individual nominations is the same as blocking all nominations.

I mean... chant it to yourself before bed if you like, doesn't make it true ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[stefcep]

So you keep saying, without providing any rationale as to why blocking a few individual nominations is the same as blocking all nominations.

I mean... chant it to yourself before bed if you like, doesn't make it true

¯\(ツ)/¯ I already answered that: The democrats blocked for political reasons, the Republicans returned the favour. You block ours, we'll block yours.

Tit for tat.

But the Democrats did it first. Never forget that. They broke decorum

 

[JB1975]

Well its already working in Republican run States.

I haven't seen any evidence which links those 'policies' to good economic outcomes.

 

[stefcep]

But america doesnt need more jobs. Unemployment is near 60 year lows. There isnt enough workers as there is. Lowering taxes to promote business which cant offer more jobs is bad for equality because it leads to less government services that disproportionately support poor people. Promoting business is only good for poor people when unemployment is high.

Tough on law and order disproportionately protects wealthy people more then poor as wealthy people have more assets. Not saying its not a worthwhile policy but it doesnt address inequality.

Tariffs force prices up which reduces the spending power of people. Including poor people. Again doesnt create jobs because unemployment is already low.

Ps. income levels per capita are lower in red states then blue and the proportion of poor people is higher in red states. Growth is not the measure to look at. Most african regions have higher growth then the usa. Do you want to live there?

Well growth matters to those who voted for things to get better for them. Economic growth is the path to that.

 

[Royces Hart]

We certainly didn’t look down on the other just because they preferred a different political party! My god what has happened to us?

You jumped into a thread for the first time to gloat about Trump winning and hang shit on people who don’t like him, with stupid stereotypes of coloured hair and septum rings.

 

[stefcep]

I haven't seen any evidence which links those 'policies' to good economic outcomes.

This bloomberg article discusses that but its paywalled and I'm not going to paste the full article in case I violate forum rules

Bloomberg

A $100 Billion Wealth Migration Tilts US Economy’s Center of Gravity South​

Some 2.2 million people moved to the Southeast in just over two years. That’s roughly the population of Houston.


By Michael Sasso and Alexandre Tanzi
29 June 2023 at 20:00 GMT+10



Drive along the 240-mile stretch of the Atlantic coast from Charleston, South Carolina, through the grassy marsh land of southern Georgia and down into northern Florida, and you’ll see one of the most profound economic shifts in the US today.

Welcome to the New New South.

Electric-vehicle factories and battery plants are overtaking pine forests in this region of antebellum architecture and shrimp and grits. More broadly, the entire South from here, north to Kentucky and west to Texas is where businesses are moving to, jobs are being created and homes are being bought. The uplift isn’t happening equally everywhere, or equally for everyone. But the implications for the entire country are enormous.


The numbers tell the story. For the first time, six fast-growing states in the South — Florida, Texas, Georgia, the Carolinas and Tennessee — are contributing more to the national GDP than the Northeast, with its Washington-New York-Boston corridor, in government figures going back to the 1990s. The switch happened during the pandemic and shows no signs of reverting.

A flood of transplants helped steer about $100 billion in new income to the Southeast in 2020 and 2021 alone, while the Northeast bled out about $60 billion, based on an analysis of recently published Internal Revenue Service data.

The Southeast accounted for more than two-thirds of all job growth across the US since early 2020, almost doubling its pre-pandemic share. And it was home to 10 of the 15 fastest-growing American large cities.

US South Economic Power on the Rise​

Six fast-growing Southern states saw their aggregated share of national GDP soar above New York and the rest of the Northeast during the pandemic

Source: US Bureau of Economic Analysis
Note: GDP as a share of US total; data as of fourth quarters of each year. Northeast includes: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, D.C., Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York
Corporations are also flocking there, with a record number of firms moving south after the pandemic, Census Bureau data show.

 

[JB1975]

This bloomberg article discusses that but its paywalled and I'm not going to paste the full article in case I violate forum rules

Bloomberg

A $100 Billion Wealth Migration Tilts US Economy’s Center of Gravity South​

Some 2.2 million people moved to the Southeast in just over two years. That’s roughly the population of Houston.


By Michael Sasso and Alexandre Tanzi
29 June 2023 at 20:00 GMT+10



Drive along the 240-mile stretch of the Atlantic coast from Charleston, South Carolina, through the grassy marsh land of southern Georgia and down into northern Florida, and you’ll see one of the most profound economic shifts in the US today.

Welcome to the New New South.

Electric-vehicle factories and battery plants are overtaking pine forests in this region of antebellum architecture and shrimp and grits. More broadly, the entire South from here, north to Kentucky and west to Texas is where businesses are moving to, jobs are being created and homes are being bought. The uplift isn’t happening equally everywhere, or equally for everyone. But the implications for the entire country are enormous.


The numbers tell the story. For the first time, six fast-growing states in the South — Florida, Texas, Georgia, the Carolinas and Tennessee — are contributing more to the national GDP than the Northeast, with its Washington-New York-Boston corridor, in government figures going back to the 1990s. The switch happened during the pandemic and shows no signs of reverting.

A flood of transplants helped steer about $100 billion in new income to the Southeast in 2020 and 2021 alone, while the Northeast bled out about $60 billion, based on an analysis of recently published Internal Revenue Service data.

The Southeast accounted for more than two-thirds of all job growth across the US since early 2020, almost doubling its pre-pandemic share. And it was home to 10 of the 15 fastest-growing American large cities.

US South Economic Power on the Rise​

Six fast-growing Southern states saw their aggregated share of national GDP soar above New York and the rest of the Northeast during the pandemic

Source: US Bureau of Economic Analysis
Note: GDP as a share of US total; data as of fourth quarters of each year. Northeast includes: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, D.C., Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York
Corporations are also flocking there, with a record number of firms moving south after the pandemic, Census Bureau data show.

No, that talks about an increase in economic activity in certain parts of the US.

It makes no mention (let alone analysis) of the policy prescription you mentioned. Instead, it suggests that the pandemic might have been the impetus.

What I'm after is cause and effect.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Cue the “no one can take a joke anymore” crowd.

This is truly a victory for the good guys

I’ve got a 13 year old daughter, her and her girlfriends are already living in and realising the MAGA bullshit from 13/14 year old boys at school.
FACT.

 

[Satan]

The more vacancies the more employers will have to pay to get workers. Wages will rise.

There were will be many vacancies when 20 million get deported . How many get taken up by Americans is another issue .

Will Donald Trump deport 20 million illegal immigrants if re-elected? Know about his plans in detail - The Economic Times

Donald Trump has said that the US will not bring in anyone from Gaza, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, or anywhere else that threatens the security of the country. He plans to round up, detain and deport millions of illegal immigrants.

m.economictimes.com

Republicans are hedging their bets now

Rep. Maria Salazar on why Trump's message resonated with so many Hispanic voters

Donald Trump made important and surprising inroads with key groups he needed to get to win the election. Chief among them, Hispanic voters. Rep. Maria Salazar is a Republican from Florida and joined Amna Nawaz to discuss Trump's agenda.

www.pbs.org

Trump is only going after the criminals
There are 200000 undocumented migrants in her area . Not all of them are criminals How many people are going to be caught up in the net