USA Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

[Ghost Patrol]

Dunno guys. Maybe the sprinkler was a metaphor.

 

[rank and file]

Dunno guys. Maybe the sprinkler was a metaphor.

Can't imagine what it would be a metaphor for.

 

[KingNorth23]

Who is crying?

You must live a sad life.

Just because you keep saying the Christian God was on Trump's side doesn't make it true.

Sad life?
Millitary Obstacle and Shots Pro
Rookie Triathlon
Calisthenics for 5 years
Muay Thai for 9 years
Saved homeless people on streets believers of God.
List goes on. Believer of God rejecting the lukewarm Christian side. Don’t think I have a sad life brother more happily with change, I think you still have trauma from Trump man.

 

[Bloods86]

Sad life?
Millitary Obstacle and Shots Pro
Rookie Triathlon
Calisthenics for 5 years
Muay Thai for 9 years
Saved homeless people on streets believers of God.
List goes on. Believer of God rejecting the lukewarm Christian side. Don’t think I have a sad life brother more happily with change, I think you still have trauma from Trump man.

Obviously not giving you much fulfillment if you need others to suffer to keep you going, by your own admission. Sounds a pretty weak way to live.

 

[Not Important]

now that is some critique of the dems.

 

[Blue1980]

now that is some critique of the dems.

I’ll raise you this

I pretty much agree, controlled opposition.

 

[Satan]

Convicted felon, misogynist, climate denier, fraudster, conspiracy theorist, racist, overturning election result.

These labels are all just distractions.

Forgot digital rapist

 

[bourbons]

Jesse Ventura, lets really take it to the next level.

Jon Stewart would be the guy.

But understandably wants no part of it, the people who would be best at it very rarely actually want the job.

 

[bourbons]

I posted once that she cackled and had no policies.
Posters came down on me like rain and claimed I was misogynist, I hate Donny but Kamala simply had nothing of substance.

More substance and better policy than Trump according to Trump's own voters lol (once those policies are de-coupled from the people promoting them).

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald Trump's in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Fifty-seven out of 64 (89 per cent) of Harris’ policies included in the survey are supported by more than half of voters.

The same is true for just 48 per cent (31 of 64) of Trump’s policies.

Hilariously, Trump’s supporters were actually more favourable towards Harris’ policies than their own candidate.

Its cult of personality and tribalism. Along with unavoidable inflation in this case.

 

[skipper kelly]

I’ll raise you this

I pretty much agree, controlled opposition.

Good video.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

More substance and better policy than Trump according to Trump's own voters lol (once those policies are de-coupled from the people promoting them.

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald Trump's in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Its cult of personality and tribalism. Along with unavoidable inflation in this case.

How many were in this Poll?

 

[bourbons]

How many were in this Poll?

9025

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Issues_Policies_Harris_Trump_YouGov_Poll_Results.pdf

 

[greatwhiteshark]

9025

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Issues_Policies_Harris_Trump_YouGov_Poll_Results.pdf

Cheers so a pretty small sample, bit lie any other poll. Could be as accurate as TV ratings which we all know are not accurate.

 

[Bloods86]

Cheers so a pretty small sample, bit lie any other poll. Could be as accurate as TV ratings which we all know are not accurate.

It's a pretty good sample size actually, especially compared to election polling. Even in high school statistics you learn that sample size to actual size can be a massive difference, it's whether effort has been taken to get a representative sample of the population, that really matters.

That's where the weighting and margin of error come in.

It's not a surprising result tbh. Polling for years has shown the majority of Americans are with or further left than the Dems on a bunch of issues, though that doesn't necessarily translate to election results for various reasons.

 

[Blue1980]

It's a pretty good sample size actually, especially compared to election polling. Even in high school statistics you learn that sample size to actual size can be a massive difference, it's whether effort has been taken to get a representative sample of the population, that really matters.

That's where the weighting and margin of error come in.

It's not a surprising result tbh. Polling for years has shown the majority of Americans are with or further left than the Dems on a bunch of issues, though that doesn't necessarily translate to election results for various reasons.

It’s a sad state of affairs when both parties are much further right than the general population.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

It’s a sad state of affairs when both parties are much further right than the general population.

You may be right, but how do we objectively know this other than vibe?

 

[Bloods86]

You may be right, but how do we objectively know this other than vibe?

Because polling has consistently shown this for years, and continues to do so, as we've literally just been discussing. Dismiss that as "vibe" if you will.

It's a common talking point in progressive media, note not the CNNs of the world, where when people are presented with progressive ideas or positions, they are in favour, often even among Republicans.

Progressives then beat their heads against the wall every election cycle when Democrats fail to take notice and run to the centre/right because of donors and conservative media, which includes economic status quo outlets like CNN, who will label them as radical. If Biden and Pelosi types are labelled as radical socialists anyway, you may as well go progressive and win back the working class and left wingers who abstain.

 

[Blue1980]

You may be right, but how do we objectively know this other than vibe?

Remember we are talking economically, nothing to do with culture war stuff.

In all polls they do, things like paid parental leave, Medicare for all, lifting minimum wage are all very popular.

 

[Partridge]

It’s a sad state of affairs when both parties are much further right than the general population.

No way to know that. More likely that there are a million shades of purple.

 

[Blue1980]

Because polling has consistently shown this for years, and continues to do so, as we've literally just been discussing. Dismiss that as "vibe" if you will.

It's a common talking point in progressive media, note not the CNNs of the world, where when people are presented with progressive ideas or positions, they are in favour, often even among Republicans.

Progressives then beat their heads against the wall every election cycle when Democrats fail to take notice and run to the centre/right because of donors and conservative media, which includes economic status quo outlets like CNN, who will label them as radical. If Biden and Pelosi types are labelled as radical socialists, you may as well go progressive and win back the working class and left wingers who abstain.

CNN will just point to people not voting for Kamala as being sexist and racist, easier to do that than propose anything more than incremental.

 

[Blue1980]

No way to know that. More likely that there are a million shades of purple.

Bloods86 post above makes a good case. Remember we are talking economic policy, not transgender surgery being on inmates in jail or whatever.

 

[Partridge]

Bloods86 post above makes a good case. Remember we are talking economic policy, not transgender surgery being on inmates in jail or whatever.

Maybe. Let's just say I'm more and more wary of not just polls, but how honest people are in responding to them.

 

[Bloods86]

Maybe. Let's just say I'm more and more wary of not just polls, but how honest people are in responding to them.

I think polling has taken a hit in the Trump era. He's certainly thrown pollsters for a loop, especially trying to figure out which groups will turn out for him or others. But the idea that they are all radically off is incorrect. Often results are in the margin of error, and perhaps getting a representative sample is more difficult these days, but they give an indication.

If polling on an issue is substantially more towards one side than the other, then sure, the poll might be out a bit, but it still suggests a majority one way or the other.

 

[Osho]

But Harris ran a flawless campaign.
Misogyny and race did her in.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/06/msnbcs_joy_reid_this_was_a_historic_flawlessly_run_campaign_kamala_harris_had_every_prominent_celebrity_voice.html

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[Bloods86]

But Harris ran a flawless campaign.
Misogyny and race did her in.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/06/msnbcs_joy_reid_this_was_a_historic_flawlessly_run_campaign_kamala_harris_had_every_prominent_celebrity_voice.html

Hard to quantify, but these would have played a part. I think you're unfortunately pushing up a steeper hill to get elected as leader of a country if you're a woman and/or a minority.

That said, these aren't the biggest factors. Definitely not a flawless campaign.