USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

[Chief]

 

[Happy Mastenator]

These debates will decide the election.

There is almost zero reason to be confident in Harris doing well in them.

I’m looking forward to it! Should be very interesting.

What would it take for you to admit that Harris has won the debate?

 

[darrenmorgan]

Look at the cheerleaders for these teams. As if they're changing their opinions or anyone will be swayed

Add in both parties are pretty low on policy or substance, the debates will amount to absolutely nothing other than memes and some funny moments.

Trump isn't picking up any extra votes based on a debate performance, but Harris could conceivably snag some additional as yet undecided voters; including Republicans who wont bring themselves to vote for Trump, also conservatives and undecideds who were likely to just not turn out for a Trump v Biden GE. If she can perform well she can snag some votes there. Trump is deeply unpopular outside of his MAGA cult and regular Americans will be most happy to finally see the back of him; a large number of these types are not generally that engaged with politics and the debate might be the first opportunity they've had to hear her speak properly.

 

[burge13]

What would it take for you to admit that Harris has won the debate?

Not get into a mud slinging match
No political spin, answer questions without buzz words or going around in circles.
Give examples in answers and divulge actual policy/goals/KPI's

Same goes for Trump but he'll fail at point 1 (Kamala may get dragged into point 1 but absolutely fails at point 2 if she doesn't)

There won't be a 'winner'

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Meanwhile millions immigrate there for a better life. Must be doing something right

Yeah great country. Just because the economy is better than other countries doesn't make it great country.
Saudia Arabia has a great economy as well.

 

[burge13]

Trump isn't picking up any extra votes based on a debate performance, but Harris could conceivably snag some additional as yet undecided voters; including Republicans who wont bring themselves to vote for Trump, also conservatives and undecideds who were likely to just not turn out for a Trump v Biden GE. If she can perform well she can snag some votes there. Trump is deeply unpopular outside of his MAGA cult and regular Americans will be most happy to finally see the back of him; a large number of these types are not generally that engaged with politics and the debate might be the first opportunity they've had to hear her speak properly.

This is more hope than reality I think.

re: bolded - 46% of votes went to Trump. Big 'cult'

re: bolded 2 - is why she needs to not use buzz words and talk in circles as she does. That's not getting people off the sofa to vote

 

[10571z]

What would it take for you to admit that Harris has won the debate?

A performance like Biden for Trump

 

[bourbons]

No political spin, answer questions without buzz words or going around in circles.

Strange metric, this has yet to be avoided in any political debate ever.

 

[burge13]

Strange metric, I don't think this has been avoided in any political debate ever.

Some are worse than others.

If you want people to get off the couch and vote for you, make them. Do you really think her shite political spin talking helps?

in b4 - but trump...

 

[Happy Mastenator]

A performance like Biden for Trump

What do you consider that to be?

• meandering answers that don't actually answer the questions asked?
• saying multiple, empirically false statements?
• obviously losing his train of thought?

If those things happen, would you admit he lost it?


/noting Biden didn't do the second dot point.

 

[bourbons]

Some are worse than others.

If you want people to get off the couch and vote for you, make them. Do you really think her shite political spin talking helps?

Not exactly, more that its just par for the course amongst all pollies so a strange thing to identify as a 'failure'

 

[10571z]

What do you consider that to be?

• meandering answers that don't actually answer the questions asked?
• saying multiple, empirically false statements?
• obviously losing his train of thought?

If those things happen, would you admit he lost it?


/noting Biden didn't do the second dot point.

It’s hard to give clear markers on who wins or loses a debate.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It’s hard to give clear markers on who wins or loses a debate.

Of course. Especially when you already know who you think has won before it commences.

 

[faible]

What do you consider that to be?

• meandering answers that don't actually answer the questions asked?
• saying multiple, empirically false statements?
• obviously losing his train of thought?

If those things happen, would you admit he lost it?


/noting Biden didn't do the second dot point.

It's one of those nebulous comments, it'll all be based on the vibe.

 

[Blue1980]

Some are worse than others.

If you want people to get off the couch and vote for you, make them. Do you really think her shite political spin talking helps?

in b4 - but trump...

I see what you did there....

 

[kane249]

Maybe if I focus on the most important person's face...

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What about this?

Feels appropriate for the MAGA crew

 

[burge13]

I see what you did there....

Wasn't anything deliberate so what have I done there?

 

[Blue1980]

Wasn't anything deliberate so what have I done there?

Freudian slip then, I will let you figure it out in your own time.

 

[burge13]

Freudian slip then, I will let you figure it out in your own time.

You're so smart. Invent something in your mind then act high and mighty they have NFI what you're on about

 

[blackshadow]

If you want people to get off the couch

You tell them it’s one of JD’s couches.

 

[burge13]

You tell them it’s one of JD’s couches.

I've obviously missed something, what

 

[GreyCrow]

I can’t put my finger on it right now but I read a very interesting article recently showing research that says that, contrary to popular opinion, these debates have close to zero influence on how the election pans out.

They used to but not anymore. Not with the changed parameters of the politics

Nixon famously struggled in 1960 and came across as terrible

Reagan outpointed Carter - with a little help from Iran

And Obama highlighted how charismatic he was against McCain

Not so much policy but an opportunity to shine your personality

 

[blackshadow]

I've obviously missed something, what

Methinks you’ve missed a lot of things…

 

[burge13]

Methinks you’ve missed a lot of things…

Me thinks answering wtf you and the other guy are on about might have been a quicker way to go about it

 

[Mick F]

I've obviously missed something, what

Surely you have something better to do. If your boss is paying you, get back to work. Otherwise water the garden, take the dog for a walk or go fishing. You are not good at this.