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Nah, they're more Heraclitus.
“There is nothing permanent except change.”
4 coaches in 4 years. This is us.
2025 Ladder Predictions
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“There is nothing permanent except change.”
4 coaches in 4 years. This is us.
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Nothing is beautiful without struggle
Wishlist.....
Saints
Geelong
G Coast
GWS Giants
Brisbane Lions
Swans, Dockers, WC Eagles
9-18 Rest of the World
Saints
Geelong
G Coast
GWS Giants
Brisbane Lions
Swans, Dockers, WC Eagles
9-18 Rest of the World
What about the big4? And the much loved Hawks,,?Wishlist.....
Saints
Geelong
G Coast
GWS Giants
Brisbane Lions
Swans, Dockers, WC Eagles
9-18 Rest of the World
It's only a wishlist - what I would like
which excludes some clubs - the big 4 and the bigtime Hawker
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Exactly amazing how fans froth over potential growth of own team but don’t take it in consideration for other teams.
Roos will be a heap better this year from another season under their belt
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1. GWS
2. Brisbane
3. Carlton
4. Sydney
5. Fremantle
6. Geelong
7. Gold Coast
8. Port Adelaide
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9. Hawthorn
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Collingwood
12. Melbourne
13. Adelaide
14. St Kilda
15. North Melbourne
16. Essendon
17. West Coast
18. Richmond
2. Brisbane
3. Carlton
4. Sydney
5. Fremantle
6. Geelong
7. Gold Coast
8. Port Adelaide
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9. Hawthorn
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Collingwood
12. Melbourne
13. Adelaide
14. St Kilda
15. North Melbourne
16. Essendon
17. West Coast
18. Richmond
Don't think the Bombers will finish that low, I have them in contention for finals
TheGreatBarryB
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We finished 3-9 and were bottom four last half of last season.
Wouldn't worry too much with what happened this year, think with your list profile, you should have better consistency
17. Richmond
18. North Melbourne
For most Tigers supporters these two will be the most we are going to concentrate on
18. North Melbourne
For most Tigers supporters these two will be the most we are going to concentrate on
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The number of arrogant Hawks fans that have climbed out of their holes since May last year is unreal. they automatically think they're going to be dominant in 2025 LOL!
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Yes and? To be honest it comes with how successful we have been. Our list athletic profile is off the charts, and we use that in the way we play. We have brought in two really good defenders that will allow other players to play elsewhere. It makes us more flexible and hopefully more resilient to injury. We are an even team. We didn't lose anyone we didn't want to and if you have watched us on the track this pre season then there is nothing there that suggests we will regress. Our skills for December are awesome. All things being equal if we get any consistency out of CJ and Lewis this year we will be right up there.
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Where’s the thread “who’s got the best youth out of Crows, North and Hawks” gone? That went down well didn’t it? Anyway that should show you the loyal Hawks fans that you aren’t talking about!
By the way the definition of optimism, positivity ……. very different to dominant
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The pies fan shooting their mouth off on this forum is hilarious
Picking up a 27 year old back flanker, injury prone utility and a St Kilda reject means you compete is delusional
And zero elite youth bar Daicos, Pies miss the 8 again
Double strength coffee and ladder predictor, trying not to look at the progressive, says:
SYD - 15
HAW - 14
BRIS, CARL, WB - 13
ADEL, FREO, GEEL, PORT - 12
COLL, ESS, GWS, GC, STK, WC - 11
MELB - 10
NM - 8
RICH - 7
No percentages, so my gut top eight is:
SYD, HAW, BRIS, CARL, WB, PORT, GEEL, ADEL
A few superstitious rules, which tend to bunch the results a bit:
The Great Law Of Grand Final Replays means Sydney will take Brisbane no matter what in the first matchup...and if that game was in Brisbane, they'd be 2-0 for me in the H/A...
If You Don't Know, Vote Home...wow, who knew Peter Dutton could utter a phrase that could be adapted for good and not evil...
If it's a coin toss the first time and then they play a return game, reverse the result.
Go for the lower ranked team in a derby or blockbuster at least once...tends to achieve the same as the previous sentence in any case...!
Sometimes benefit of the doubt...that's why North, Richmond, etc, have more wins than this year, in the types of game you know who the favourites will be, but you'll umm and uhh about when tipping. Someone will suck in 2025 though, a statistical certainty...my spooners here have seven wins, but six is the best total for a wooden spooner ever, I think...recall Collingwood getting that in 1976, so it's a hard mark to achieve for the worst teams...!
And - two or three teams from the previous season WILL miss the eight...that's a stat...
To me it looks right, but here's what I know already I'll get wrong:
GWS are way better than this. I'm thinking the draw might be giving them some tougher away games and I went home once or twice too often, and they're good enough to conquer that, so look for GWS to make the eight handsomely and for a couple of teams above them to suffer for it on the ladder.
Saints will make it finally, and Port will pull their fingers out after this summer's pre-season exploratory surgery to find their nads, definite flag contender with a 2004 vibe all over it. Two will fall from the above eight to make way...prime candidate Geelong (been saying that for twelve years, and I did get it right twice!), and I'm liking Adelaide a bit more than Freo...
Am I biased v Essendon? Well, normally, hell yes of course, but is it blinding me here?
The Hawks will win some big games and win others big, but screw up some when it counts. We do great against GWS and Brisbane and I gave us wins there, but losses to them this year will cost us. We'll have a good percentage, which will be a bit of a buffer, but my gut says bottom half of the eight at best because we'll also frustrate tipsters, now that 17 other teams have done extensive offseason homework against our pin-up stars who also happen to still be kids...
SYD - 15
HAW - 14
BRIS, CARL, WB - 13
ADEL, FREO, GEEL, PORT - 12
COLL, ESS, GWS, GC, STK, WC - 11
MELB - 10
NM - 8
RICH - 7
No percentages, so my gut top eight is:
SYD, HAW, BRIS, CARL, WB, PORT, GEEL, ADEL
A few superstitious rules, which tend to bunch the results a bit:
The Great Law Of Grand Final Replays means Sydney will take Brisbane no matter what in the first matchup...and if that game was in Brisbane, they'd be 2-0 for me in the H/A...
If You Don't Know, Vote Home...wow, who knew Peter Dutton could utter a phrase that could be adapted for good and not evil...
If it's a coin toss the first time and then they play a return game, reverse the result.
Go for the lower ranked team in a derby or blockbuster at least once...tends to achieve the same as the previous sentence in any case...!
Sometimes benefit of the doubt...that's why North, Richmond, etc, have more wins than this year, in the types of game you know who the favourites will be, but you'll umm and uhh about when tipping. Someone will suck in 2025 though, a statistical certainty...my spooners here have seven wins, but six is the best total for a wooden spooner ever, I think...recall Collingwood getting that in 1976, so it's a hard mark to achieve for the worst teams...!
And - two or three teams from the previous season WILL miss the eight...that's a stat...
To me it looks right, but here's what I know already I'll get wrong:
GWS are way better than this. I'm thinking the draw might be giving them some tougher away games and I went home once or twice too often, and they're good enough to conquer that, so look for GWS to make the eight handsomely and for a couple of teams above them to suffer for it on the ladder.
Saints will make it finally, and Port will pull their fingers out after this summer's pre-season exploratory surgery to find their nads, definite flag contender with a 2004 vibe all over it. Two will fall from the above eight to make way...prime candidate Geelong (been saying that for twelve years, and I did get it right twice!), and I'm liking Adelaide a bit more than Freo...
Am I biased v Essendon? Well, normally, hell yes of course, but is it blinding me here?
The Hawks will win some big games and win others big, but screw up some when it counts. We do great against GWS and Brisbane and I gave us wins there, but losses to them this year will cost us. We'll have a good percentage, which will be a bit of a buffer, but my gut says bottom half of the eight at best because we'll also frustrate tipsters, now that 17 other teams have done extensive offseason homework against our pin-up stars who also happen to still be kids...
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You make is sound so easy as if it's just going to happen like that.
What if Hawthorn cop significant injuries?
Let's dissect
"27 year old back flanker" who just happens to be the best half-back in the comp. Nothing wrong with being aged 27 in the most durable position in the game. He'll play high level footy for 5 or 6 years.
Goes on to label Perryman as injury prone, as his side pays the same price for Barrass as we did for Houston. Barrass is 29 and even more injury prone.
Tim Membrey is a very logical and astute acquisition to build depth. Labelling him a Saints reject is lazy - he finished 2nd in their goal kicking and no longer fits their age profile.
The last three GF replays were won by the reigning premier
Lets respond
"27 year old back flanker" - He is, and couldn't win with a side equipped with a better midfield than the pies, but is somehow now going to take you to the flag
Is he not injury prone?. my side paid that for a player that was required, do you need an injury prone "back pocket", or a half back flanker, we need KPD players with our current stock being young, as our whole playing list bar 3 or 4 are incredibly young, a list characteristic that the pies do not currently have, which why spending capital on older players is more harmful in the LT (pretty easy to understand, but obviously not) than it is to us.
Membrey as depth?, he plays 22 games as an undersized KPF in your best side, which is not a profile of a contending side
Came second in a bottom 4 scoring team, but will now transform your FWD line
Ok
Houston is basically a wingman anyway (heat map/role wise) which gives Collingwood arguably the strongest wing set up in the comp - J.Daicos and Houston offering run and drive.
Adding one dynamite back flanker/wingman to any team improves their output and capacity greatly. By contrast, take Holmes out of Geelong and see what happens for instance.
Why is Houston's age relevant exactly? He's 27, not 34. He's also the only defender to make the last 2 AA sides. How is Houston responsible for Port Adelaide's midfield not winning a premiership? Premierships aren't only won and lost in the midfield. Elite kicking defenders who kick over the midfield and through zones have never been more valuable. He's an outstanding player.
Word mash in the second paragraph. Perryman was an unwise investment because he's injury prone but the also injury prone Barrass who was traded hugely for you can somehow justify with hyperbole. Your list is middle-aged, not incredibly young. But but the yoof!!!
Membrey doesn't need to transform our forward line. McStay and Mihocek have played a total of 17 games together in two years. The Pies were using Frampton and Schultz as their key forwards some weeks this year. Adding for free a player who has kicked 30+ goals in 7/8 non injury plagued seasons to boost depth in an important position is obviously astute list management. The alternative was re-contracting Nathan Kreuger or playing Ash Johnson.
The Magpies dropped from the #1 side in 2023 for scores produced from the back 50 down to 15th in 2024. No doubt a significant occurrence due to Nick Daicos' move to the midfield. Adding Houston will be like having two Nicks - one in the guts and one creating opportunities from the back half.
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