Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014) - retires rd16 2021 due to concussion symptoms - go well Pig

[Event Horizon]

Admit it. The roo supporters on this thread wouldn't be talking down Bux at all - quite the reverse in fact - if he had said "yes" to coach you. You all sound a little peeved.

I think I said it quite clearly in the OP that at the time I did want to land Buckley, and I am not walking away from that. But it's also true that I didn't know whether he could coach, and I still don't - you will just have to work it out when you let Mick go, even though Mick could still be coaching very well at that point.

The reason I wanted Buckley (as per the OP) was the win this would give us as a club, pushing the membership up and giving our image a nice boost. That didn't happen, we move on.

But the point of the thread was that if he honestly thinks that one player (who has played under 10 games) won't be good enough to clean the boots of Judd, then perhaps that should give you a cause for concern.

Not us though, as we didn't get him...

 

[PendlesIsAStar]

Mate, the guy was a very good player individually but it takes a certain type of player, to be a premiership player and an even more select player to be a premiership captain.
Guys like Hird,Carey,Judd,Voss,Bomber Thompson lead premiership sides.
Buckley just wasnt made of this stuff.
The comparisons of Voss and Buckley as coaches are laughable. One bloke breathes premierships, the other has never had one and was the best player in crap sides for most of his career.
Hardwick and Longmire would have far more credibilty when guiding the young guys as a team to the ultimate success.
If you want guys to win brownlows, Buckley will be your man, because that was the kind of selfish player he was.
The McGuire,Malthouse,Buckley team, will just be another extension of a couple of generations of failures to win a flag.

You're right mate - Buckley didn't win a flag as a player, but is that his fault? I get a little annoyed that a player can only be regarded great if he wins a flag. Buckley nearly got them over the line in 2002 but got pantsed in 2003 but I don't blame him.

Given Voss had Akermanis, Lappin, Power, Black, Lynch, Brown, Leppitch (and I could go on) surrounding him I would say his leadership was helped by the talent around him. In 2002 we had blokes playing that wouldn't have got a game anywhere else like Ryan Lonie, Steve McKee, Rupert Betheras, and Carl Steinfort and nobody talked up our team as being good at all but we nearly got there - which was a harder job than getting Brisbane there.

You blokes have written him off and good for you but the fact you guys were rubbing your hands together at the thought of getting him just shows what two faced people you really are.

 

[PendlesIsAStar]

We also had Glenn Freeborn, Heath Scotland and Jarrod Molloy - we had no business making that GF.

 

[PendlesIsAStar]

We also had Glenn Freeborn, Heath Scotland and Jarrod Molloy - we had no business making that GF.

Emergencies - Mark McGough and Ben Kinnear!

 

[kangas forever]

You're right mate - Buckley didn't win a flag as a player, but is that his fault? I get a little annoyed that a player can only be regarded great if he wins a flag. Buckley nearly got them over the line in 2002 but got pantsed in 2003 but I don't blame him.

Given Voss had Akermanis, Lappin, Power, Black, Lynch, Brown, Leppitch (and I could go on) surrounding him I would say his leadership was helped by the talent around him. In 2002 we had blokes playing that wouldn't have got a game anywhere else like Ryan Lonie, Steve McKee, Rupert Betheras, and Carl Steinfort and nobody talked up our team as being good at all but we nearly got there - which was a harder job than getting Brisbane there.

You blokes have written him off and good for you but the fact you guys were rubbing your hands together at the thought of getting him just shows what two faced people you really are.

What Buckely's fault is that he signed and accepted money from a club then reneged on that deal then went to Brisbane reluctantly and left them chasing cash and fame at Collingwood. Both the 2 clubs he shafted as a player had ultimate success, something that eluded him at Collingwood. No one argues that he a great player but whether you like it or not he will be judged on whether he brings a flag to your club as a coach. Anything less then that and this deal will be considered a failure. I'm not sure if you can say its his fault or not but they are all choices he made. At least he won a brownlow and a norm smith medal (in a loosing GF)!!!

 

[PendlesIsAStar]

What Buckely's fault is that he signed and accepted money from a club then reneged on that deal then went to Brisbane reluctantly and left them chasing cash and fame at Collingwood. Both the 2 clubs he shafted as a player had ultimate success, something that eluded him at Collingwood. No one argues that he a great player but whether you like it or not he will be judged on whether he brings a flag to your club as a coach. Anything less then that and this deal will be considered a failure. I'm not sure if you can say its his fault or not but they are all choices he made. At least he won a brownlow and a norm smith medal (in a loosing GF)!!!

It's amazing how you never forgive a 21 year old for doing the above, yet a bloke who should have known better and single handedly knocked your club to the ground is forgiven all his sins.

But then again he did play in a premiership, right?

 

[CrazyQ]

How we have quickly turned into women, I'm not sure.

Bitter. Some of you guys were willing to give gobbies for Buckley, if he was made coach, now you're blasting him about a few meaningless comments about Greenwood?

Man.

 

[WesternRoo]

You're right mate - Buckley didn't win a flag as a player, but is that his fault? I get a little annoyed that a player can only be regarded great if he wins a flag. Buckley nearly got them over the line in 2002 but got pantsed in 2003 but I don't blame him.

Given Voss had Akermanis, Lappin, Power, Black, Lynch, Brown, Leppitch (and I could go on) surrounding him I would say his leadership was helped by the talent around him. In 2002 we had blokes playing that wouldn't have got a game anywhere else like Ryan Lonie, Steve McKee, Rupert Betheras, and Carl Steinfort and nobody talked up our team as being good at all but we nearly got there - which was a harder job than getting Brisbane there.

You blokes have written him off and good for you but the fact you guys were rubbing your hands together at the thought of getting him just shows what two faced people you really are.

2003 you were faves in the end, the side lacked leadership on the day and that is why Brisbane nailed you. Maybe Buckley was more worried about his contribution, no one can deny that.
But perhaps his comments on Greenwood give a greater indication to what his attitude was towards players at the collingwood, who were not in the top bracket.
Didak is a star, Pendlebury,Medhurst,Cloke,Swan and Davis are very good players. But the rest, despite their overrated public profiles (ie dale thomas) are either battlers or good ordinary players.
Will Buckley have that common touch with those players like a Malthouse and inspire performances beyond their talents?
What makes you guys a better side at the moment, than about 8 other sides who are probably about as good on paper, is this hard but very fair approach to his men. All his men.
Carey lead what was regarded as an average team overall, to prelim finals and a g/f. By 1998, a number of players had suddenly become stars. Carey's leadership and aura inspired this.
More recently, Chris Judd did the same at West Coast.
Buckley was a great, but the fact he was the best player and captain through another unsuccesful era at Collingwood cant be ignored if you are hunting flags from him as a coach.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

I don't think your sources are any more reliable than mine.

It's understandable that Euge would be bitter about losing his "prize" and would be seeking to soften the blow with a tall tale about Bux reneging...it would sit well with his audience after all. However, I understand that Eddie may have got wind of it and will be seeking a retraction. Something about libel laws I think?

What sources?

Where did i make any accusations in relation to what did or didn't happen with Bucks and whether he did or didn't agree to coach us? All i said is that I'd take Euge's word over yours any day of the week.

 

[Ryson]

Buckley is a stuck up ass. End of story.

 

[gokangas]

I can never find the right info to know this. Is he eligible?

 

[Groucho]

Certainly eligible.

 

[Spitz]

Unfortunately that prick from Carlton will get it, the other Garlett.

 

[Manbearpig]

Has to be a very good chance.

 

[__aria__]

he is eligible

but it will be interesting to see who gets it

if jeff garlett gets it for his 4 goals against melbourne that would make the ignoring of goldstein even more ridiculous

 

[DarkPhoenix]

He couldnt not could he? He's absolutely reamed every star we've put him on

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

How good was that last quarter tackle on Dal Santo? I heard the slap of pectorals from my seat on level 3.

Looks like an absolute gun. He just needs to develop the offensive side of his game now, but has a real passion for the game (unlike a certain North player)

 

[choppy]

Doesn't appear to give a shit about the reputation or quality of player he is on.

He is quite a nasty piece of work in close.

 

[John Dorian]

Give him the number 11.
He deserves it.
Get him to swap with Firrito.

 

[brettman135]

Would be great to see him get some well deserved recognition for his efforts

 

[Rooboy 34]

It would be great and well deserved if he got it. Garlett from Carlton had better not, because as someone else said it makes Goldy's non nomination a joke.

One guy from another club who has been very good all year, especially over the last 3 weeks is Nick Suban from Freo...

 

[Bigeasy]

We just may have found two quality midfielders today from nowhere so to speak. Both looked very comfortable on the ball and at stoppages.

It seems 2009 has a silver lining after all.

 

[jacko57]

I'll reserve judgement on Garlett. But I think his first 3 kicks were clangers, and it was noticeable at one stage that he has no left foot.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Greenoon definitely.

Garlett is far from it at this stage.

 

[snrub]

I must say, there wasn't a single centre bounce where I looked at a Simmo/Brady/Jar Jar type set up and was worried we would almost certainly lose the clearance. The rotations were all inspired and cloaked in potential, given the inclusions of Wellsy and Jacky Z and Turtle and maybe even Ben Ross.