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During the draft itself is a whole other question though, simply because at this point in time we don’t know how long clubs are going to have on the clock to make a deal.

At the moment clubs have two minutes on the clock before they must make an extension, however, they do have the option of requesting extra time.





I sought clarification from AFL spokesman Patrick Keane on whether or not the amount of clock time per draft pick would be increased to allow for deals to be done mid-draft, and he said as follows:


“The time for a club to make its selection is currently up for discussion internally. We’ve not yet made a final decision on whether that will change or not.”

It’s a really difficult decision for the league to make.

On one hand, if they wish for clubs to actually make use of the live trading rules, then they will probably have to give them more time to operate.

On the other hand, if they lengthen the time between draft picks too much, there’s a good chance the draft – already an event often accused of dragging on too long – will become a grotesquely elongated snoozefest.

When live trading does happen, I suspect it will mostly revolve around picks in the middle and later sections of the draft as clubs further down the order see players unexpectedly slide, and offer to swap clubs with timely selections a future pick so they can secure the player they want.

However, the new live trading system does include one major loophole that is just waiting to be exploited in a big way by a canny club – a good example this year would be the developing scenario featuring North Melbourne and their academy player Tarryn Thomas.

For those not familiar with Thomas, he is an indigenous player eligible to be drafted by North Melbourne through their next-generation academy zone in Tasmania.

Thomas garnered some media attention when he set the Division 2 tournament of the under-18 national championships on fire earlier this year and then was solid if not quite at the same level during the Division 1 tournament.


At the moment he’s rated as being in the somewhat ambiguous zone of this year’s draft – not quite among the top six prospects, but potentially in the mix for anywhere from say pick 7 to pick 15 or so.

On current ladder position North Melbourne would enter the draft with pick 9, and not knowing whether a bid is likely to come before or after then puts them in a really tricky position.

If a bid comes before then and they choose to match it – as they surely would – then they would have to pay the price of pick 9 for Thomas.

However if a bid came afterwards they would essentially strike the jackpot by being able to use pick 9 on another highly-rated prospect – say Ian Hill or Connor Rozee – and then pay for Thomas with a combination of their second and third-round picks.

While pick 9 would be a fair price to pay for Thomas, North are no doubt pursuing every possible angle to game the system as much as can be done and secure Thomas at the lowest price they can.

One avenue that they’ve gone down is looking to trade their first selection in this year’s draft so that a bid, regardless of where it comes, has to be paid for with picks in the second round or later.

They pursued Jordan de Goey along this line of thought and it’s possible that recent rumours regarding Jared Polec might also be a continuation of this strategy.

However, the inclusion of live trading in the draft allows them an alternative path – one that is much more flexible and essentially takes the guesswork out of the equation.

This strategy would be to retain pick 9 and then, if a bid comes for Thomas before that selection, trade it live for a future 2019 pick before matching the bid, then match the bid with later picks in the 2018 draft.


The fact that clubs can make a manoeuvre like this isn’t something that’s been made clear in the AFL’s public announcement of live trading, so I again requested clarification from Patrick Keane. He said:

“If a club can complete a trade in the time before it is required to make its decision, they are allowed to trade. They won’t get any extension of time but they are permitted to do so if they can finalise it.”

The NFL draft doesn’t have anything like the father-son and academy bidding system, so there’s been nothing to guide the AFL in making a decision on how this should work. Intentionally or not, they’ve left it open to exploitation.


Essentially, a club in North Melbourne’s position will have the opportunity to wait and see where a bid comes and then execute their strategy accordingly.

If a bid doesn’t come until after pick 9, then it’s a big win – the club takes a player from the open draft and then is able to secure Thomas later at a bargain price.

If a bid comes before pick 9, then it’s still a big win – the club trades pick 9 for a 2019 first rounder and then again is able to secure Thomas for cheap.

A club like North could then either look to use that first rounder to trade back into the 2018 draft after the bid has been matched, or hold it to use in next year’s trade and draft period.

For North Melbourne in particular, it’d be a handy thing to hold onto for next year if, as many expect, they make a significant play once again at the services of GWS star Josh Kelly.

Either way, the club can wind up paying a bargain price for whatever father-son or academy talent they have access to – essentially flouting the supposed enforced fairness the bidding system was brought in to police.

If I were North Melbourne, I’d make sure to have an arrangement locked in with an opposition club willing to swap its 2019 first for a high 2018 pick before the draft. I’m sure plenty will be willing.

Collingwood could do the same sort of thing with academy prospect Isaac Quaynor, or the Western Bulldogs with father-son player Rhylee West.

A nifty little loophole, don’t you think? I wonder which AFL club will be the first to flip a profit from it – and what the AFL’s reaction will be when they do.
 
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During the draft itself is a whole other question though, simply because at this point in time we don’t know how long clubs are going to have on the clock to make a deal.

At the moment clubs have two minutes on the clock before they must make an extension, however, they do have the option of requesting extra time.





I sought clarification from AFL spokesman Patrick Keane on whether or not the amount of clock time per draft pick would be increased to allow for deals to be done mid-draft, and he said as follows:


“The time for a club to make its selection is currently up for discussion internally. We’ve not yet made a final decision on whether that will change or not.”

It’s a really difficult decision for the league to make.

On one hand, if they wish for clubs to actually make use of the live trading rules, then they will probably have to give them more time to operate.

On the other hand, if they lengthen the time between draft picks too much, there’s a good chance the draft – already an event often accused of dragging on too long – will become a grotesquely elongated snoozefest.

When live trading does happen, I suspect it will mostly revolve around picks in the middle and later sections of the draft as clubs further down the order see players unexpectedly slide, and offer to swap clubs with timely selections a future pick so they can secure the player they want.

However, the new live trading system does include one major loophole that is just waiting to be exploited in a big way by a canny club – a good example this year would be the developing scenario featuring North Melbourne and their academy player Tarryn Thomas.

For those not familiar with Thomas, he is an indigenous player eligible to be drafted by North Melbourne through their next-generation academy zone in Tasmania.

Thomas garnered some media attention when he set the Division 2 tournament of the under-18 national championships on fire earlier this year and then was solid if not quite at the same level during the Division 1 tournament.


At the moment he’s rated as being in the somewhat ambiguous zone of this year’s draft – not quite among the top six prospects, but potentially in the mix for anywhere from say pick 7 to pick 15 or so.

On current ladder position North Melbourne would enter the draft with pick 9, and not knowing whether a bid is likely to come before or after then puts them in a really tricky position.

If a bid comes before then and they choose to match it – as they surely would – then they would have to pay the price of pick 9 for Thomas.

However if a bid came afterwards they would essentially strike the jackpot by being able to use pick 9 on another highly-rated prospect – say Ian Hill or Connor Rozee – and then pay for Thomas with a combination of their second and third-round picks.

While pick 9 would be a fair price to pay for Thomas, North are no doubt pursuing every possible angle to game the system as much as can be done and secure Thomas at the lowest price they can.

One avenue that they’ve gone down is looking to trade their first selection in this year’s draft so that a bid, regardless of where it comes, has to be paid for with picks in the second round or later.

They pursued Jordan de Goey along this line of thought and it’s possible that recent rumours regarding Jared Polec might also be a continuation of this strategy.

However, the inclusion of live trading in the draft allows them an alternative path – one that is much more flexible and essentially takes the guesswork out of the equation.

This strategy would be to retain pick 9 and then, if a bid comes for Thomas before that selection, trade it live for a future 2019 pick before matching the bid, then match the bid with later picks in the 2018 draft.


The fact that clubs can make a manoeuvre like this isn’t something that’s been made clear in the AFL’s public announcement of live trading, so I again requested clarification from Patrick Keane. He said:

“If a club can complete a trade in the time before it is required to make its decision, they are allowed to trade. They won’t get any extension of time but they are permitted to do so if they can finalise it.”

The NFL draft doesn’t have anything like the father-son and academy bidding system, so there’s been nothing to guide the AFL in making a decision on how this should work. Intentionally or not, they’ve left it open to exploitation.


Essentially, a club in North Melbourne’s position will have the opportunity to wait and see where a bid comes and then execute their strategy accordingly.

If a bid doesn’t come until after pick 9, then it’s a big win – the club takes a player from the open draft and then is able to secure Thomas later at a bargain price.

If a bid comes before pick 9, then it’s still a big win – the club trades pick 9 for a 2019 first rounder and then again is able to secure Thomas for cheap.

A club like North could then either look to use that first rounder to trade back into the 2018 draft after the bid has been matched, or hold it to use in next year’s trade and draft period.

For North Melbourne in particular, it’d be a handy thing to hold onto for next year if, as many expect, they make a significant play once again at the services of GWS star Josh Kelly.

Either way, the club can wind up paying a bargain price for whatever father-son or academy talent they have access to – essentially flouting the supposed enforced fairness the bidding system was brought in to police.

If I were North Melbourne, I’d make sure to have an arrangement locked in with an opposition club willing to swap its 2019 first for a high 2018 pick before the draft. I’m sure plenty will be willing.

Collingwood could do the same sort of thing with academy prospect Isaac Quaynor, or the Western Bulldogs with father-son player Rhylee West.

A nifty little loophole, don’t you think? I wonder which AFL club will be the first to flip a profit from it – and what the AFL’s reaction will be when they do.
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A nifty little loophole, don’t you think? I wonder which AFL club will be the first to flip a profit from it – and what the AFL’s reaction will be when they do.

If it's us, the AFL will be furious and there will be yet another North driven rule change to delete the loophole.

If it's Sydney, or Hawthorn, or Collingwood, it will be roundly applauded as tactical genius.
 
If it's us, the AFL will be furious and there will be yet another North driven rule change to delete the loophole.

If it's Sydney, or Hawthorn, or Collingwood, it will be roundly applauded as tactical genius.
They'll post draft strip us of the year afters 1st rounder.
 

During the draft itself is a whole other question though, simply because at this point in time we don’t know how long clubs are going to have on the clock to make a deal.

At the moment clubs have two minutes on the clock before they must make an extension, however, they do have the option of requesting extra time.





I sought clarification from AFL spokesman Patrick Keane on whether or not the amount of clock time per draft pick would be increased to allow for deals to be done mid-draft, and he said as follows:


“The time for a club to make its selection is currently up for discussion internally. We’ve not yet made a final decision on whether that will change or not.”

It’s a really difficult decision for the league to make.

On one hand, if they wish for clubs to actually make use of the live trading rules, then they will probably have to give them more time to operate.

On the other hand, if they lengthen the time between draft picks too much, there’s a good chance the draft – already an event often accused of dragging on too long – will become a grotesquely elongated snoozefest.

When live trading does happen, I suspect it will mostly revolve around picks in the middle and later sections of the draft as clubs further down the order see players unexpectedly slide, and offer to swap clubs with timely selections a future pick so they can secure the player they want.

However, the new live trading system does include one major loophole that is just waiting to be exploited in a big way by a canny club – a good example this year would be the developing scenario featuring North Melbourne and their academy player Tarryn Thomas.

For those not familiar with Thomas, he is an indigenous player eligible to be drafted by North Melbourne through their next-generation academy zone in Tasmania.

Thomas garnered some media attention when he set the Division 2 tournament of the under-18 national championships on fire earlier this year and then was solid if not quite at the same level during the Division 1 tournament.


At the moment he’s rated as being in the somewhat ambiguous zone of this year’s draft – not quite among the top six prospects, but potentially in the mix for anywhere from say pick 7 to pick 15 or so.

On current ladder position North Melbourne would enter the draft with pick 9, and not knowing whether a bid is likely to come before or after then puts them in a really tricky position.

If a bid comes before then and they choose to match it – as they surely would – then they would have to pay the price of pick 9 for Thomas.

However if a bid came afterwards they would essentially strike the jackpot by being able to use pick 9 on another highly-rated prospect – say Ian Hill or Connor Rozee – and then pay for Thomas with a combination of their second and third-round picks.

While pick 9 would be a fair price to pay for Thomas, North are no doubt pursuing every possible angle to game the system as much as can be done and secure Thomas at the lowest price they can.

One avenue that they’ve gone down is looking to trade their first selection in this year’s draft so that a bid, regardless of where it comes, has to be paid for with picks in the second round or later.

They pursued Jordan de Goey along this line of thought and it’s possible that recent rumours regarding Jared Polec might also be a continuation of this strategy.

However, the inclusion of live trading in the draft allows them an alternative path – one that is much more flexible and essentially takes the guesswork out of the equation.

This strategy would be to retain pick 9 and then, if a bid comes for Thomas before that selection, trade it live for a future 2019 pick before matching the bid, then match the bid with later picks in the 2018 draft.


The fact that clubs can make a manoeuvre like this isn’t something that’s been made clear in the AFL’s public announcement of live trading, so I again requested clarification from Patrick Keane. He said:

“If a club can complete a trade in the time before it is required to make its decision, they are allowed to trade. They won’t get any extension of time but they are permitted to do so if they can finalise it.”

The NFL draft doesn’t have anything like the father-son and academy bidding system, so there’s been nothing to guide the AFL in making a decision on how this should work. Intentionally or not, they’ve left it open to exploitation.


Essentially, a club in North Melbourne’s position will have the opportunity to wait and see where a bid comes and then execute their strategy accordingly.

If a bid doesn’t come until after pick 9, then it’s a big win – the club takes a player from the open draft and then is able to secure Thomas later at a bargain price.

If a bid comes before pick 9, then it’s still a big win – the club trades pick 9 for a 2019 first rounder and then again is able to secure Thomas for cheap.

A club like North could then either look to use that first rounder to trade back into the 2018 draft after the bid has been matched, or hold it to use in next year’s trade and draft period.

For North Melbourne in particular, it’d be a handy thing to hold onto for next year if, as many expect, they make a significant play once again at the services of GWS star Josh Kelly.

Either way, the club can wind up paying a bargain price for whatever father-son or academy talent they have access to – essentially flouting the supposed enforced fairness the bidding system was brought in to police.

If I were North Melbourne, I’d make sure to have an arrangement locked in with an opposition club willing to swap its 2019 first for a high 2018 pick before the draft. I’m sure plenty will be willing.

Collingwood could do the same sort of thing with academy prospect Isaac Quaynor, or the Western Bulldogs with father-son player Rhylee West.

A nifty little loophole, don’t you think? I wonder which AFL club will be the first to flip a profit from it – and what the AFL’s reaction will be when they do.
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Prized North Melbourne next generation academy star Tarryn Thomas to play VFL this weekend
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North Melbourne next generation academy member Tarryn Thomas could be a top 10 pick. Photo: Narelle Spangher/AFL NSW/ACT
NORTH Melbourne will unveil its prized next generation academy star this weekend, with classy first-round draft prospect Tarryn Thomas to face Werribee in the VFL.

As revealed On The Couch, Thomas, a gun goalkicking midfielder regarded as one of the best 10 to 15 players in the upcoming AFL draft, will train at Arden Street this week ahead of his Kangaroos debut.

He has trained with the Roos before, but never played VFL for the club.

North Melbourne will have first crack at the teenager in November and likely have to bundle late picks for the Tasmanian should a rival club lodge a bid for him.

Thomas is effectively zoned to the Kangaroos as part of the AFL’s next generation academy system. He plays for Tasmanian Football League side North Launceston, which the league has zoned to North Melbourne.

The 18-year-old, who lives in North Hobart, is committed to getting drafted.

“Playing AFL has always been a goal, a dream,” Thomas told The Mercury recently.

“It is still a long way off. I’m not there yet … They keep telling me I need to out on weight. Because I am quite tall, I need to be heavier, but I just can’t do it. I am trying.”

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Tarryn Thomas training with North Melbourne Football Club in 2016. Picture: SUPPLIED

 
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