Nice contribution, but I reckon our kids will be jumping out of their skins to play this game. Their ain't nothing like youthful exuberance !
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Preview 2nd Elimination Final: Fremantle FC -V- Hawthorn FC -=Who will win?=-
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Nice contribution, but I reckon our kids will be jumping out of their skins to play this game. Their ain't nothing like youthful exuberance !
Firstly, the MCG is completely different to Subiaco.
Secondly, you lost to West Coast at Subiaco. The. West. Coast. Fricken. Eagles.
Thirdly, you haven't won a game outside of Vic/Tas all year.
The game being played at Subiaco Oval is a massive plus to Fremantle.
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MCG is 175m x 141m
Subiaco is 191m x 132m
Each playing half is 8 m longer but overall width is 9 m narrower, not exactly completlely different. Will test our fitness though.
And we lost to WC in round Fricken Round 7, a long time from September 2nd, and if you read the post, it was a reference to our form since May 7th. Outside Vic losses were at SCG one loss at AAMI (we genuinely play poorly there) and the above mentioned WC game.
Just saying that I think we will handle being interstate and Subiaco well.
Well no, it's not completely different; they are both ovals
.It's much harder to kick out of defense, particularly if you're not used to it - which the Hawks are not. Firstly, the zone can be much tighter latterally. Secondly, clearing the zone is a 70m kick, not a 60m one. It's why opposition players constantly kick the ball onto Sandilands chest instead of over his head...
Yes, the West Coast game was a long time ago. It's your most recent game at Subiaco though so it's hardly irrellevant.
Okay, so what you're saying is, not only have you lost all your 'away games - excluding the game at Subaico of course - but they've all been in the latter part of the year when, according to you, it actually counts.
And I'm just saying that the game being played at Subiaco will be a big plus to Fremantle.
If it was at the MCG - where we haven't played all year - I wouldn't give us a chance. Given it's at home it's at least a 50-50 proposition.
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Well, we aren't West Coast supporters...
Great post. I can't wait to for Saturday. May the best team win.... and hopefully they wear purple.
Good thing we are playing at Subiaco then.
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HFC Players missing from that game
L. Franklin
J. Gibson
M. Osborne
R. Hooper
S. Mitchell
S. Burgoyne
T. Murphy
W. Skipper
The omission of Skipper and franklin is even more important because we had play roughead in the ruck for periods with no one up forward and roughie still kicked 6 that day. Not saying we didn't lose but there was a pretty good reason
Simply too many matchups the Hawks will have an advantage in that I can't quite see how we can win. If we had Tarrant, Barlow and Ballantyne playing it'd be a different story as I'd give us a serious chance but it's not to be.
Sandi, Pav, Mundy and Hill would have to play the games of their lives, not to mention Grover and McPharlin on the twin towers.
Hawks advantage in the midfield should see them win by 20-30 or so.
Prove me wrong boys!
Sandi, Pav, Mundy and Hill would have to play the games of their lives, not to mention Grover and McPharlin on the twin towers.
Hawks advantage in the midfield should see them win by 20-30 or so.
Prove me wrong boys!
Hill and Mora have as much chance of putting in a stinker as the midfield in Tasmania did. Mundy is the only one you could rely on to do something positive for at least a quarter of the game. Pavlich is hit and miss in there. Sandilands of course is a massive boost however he isn't a midfielder.
The Hawks mids all have good pace besides Hodge and Mitchell. Lewis, Sewell, Burgoyne, Young, Rioli, Bateman will carve us up even with the ins we have. Expect to see a lot of our players "running" behind their opponents in the midfield looking tired, just like the Dogs game with their faster and stronger mids. I think it's a massive sledge on Mundy that Stephen Hill is getting the premium tagger of the hawks also.
I can only see us winning under these circumstances :-
1) Hawks don't turn up. Given they are just coming off a win against the top team I suggest their confidence couldn't be higher
2) They get 2+ injuries to their midfielders early in the game
3) Harvey has come up with some master plan to stop their midfield
4) Hill, Mora, Palmer, Mundy, Pavlich, Sandilands, Haselby play the game of their lives for 4 quarters.
Harvey needs to ensure we apply extreme pressure and hard as nails tackles to weaken the Hawks midfielders. Rough them up, make it violent.
Hawthorn are better than the side we will put out there on Saturday. I'm not really sure that can be disputed. But the game isn't won on paper, so I still give us a good chance.
In order for us to win, I think we are relying on some/all of the following:
(1) Travel factor contributing to Hawthorn not playing their best.
(2) Extra rest we've had giving us a boost.
(3) Home ground advantage, both in playing the ground and the crowd lifting us.
(4) Injuries during the game playing into our favour.
(5) Maggots helping us. A few home crowd decisions would be nice.
(6) Buddy and Roughead losing their radar (as they have been known to do in the past). Will they kick 3.10 or 9.4 or whatever ???
There are many variables outside the actual football ability of the sides, all with a reasonable chance of happening, which can contribute to a Freo victory. That is what I'm pinning my hopes on, because I think we are outclassed for talent and experience across the park.
In order for us to win, I think we are relying on some/all of the following:
(1) Travel factor contributing to Hawthorn not playing their best.
(2) Extra rest we've had giving us a boost.
(3) Home ground advantage, both in playing the ground and the crowd lifting us.
(4) Injuries during the game playing into our favour.
(5) Maggots helping us. A few home crowd decisions would be nice.
(6) Buddy and Roughead losing their radar (as they have been known to do in the past). Will they kick 3.10 or 9.4 or whatever ???
There are many variables outside the actual football ability of the sides, all with a reasonable chance of happening, which can contribute to a Freo victory. That is what I'm pinning my hopes on, because I think we are outclassed for talent and experience across the park.
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If one of Hill or Pavlich have the game of their lives we're almost certain to win.
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I think they'll reach the prelim and are smokies for the GF.
I think they'll reach the prelim and are smokies for the GF.
Yeah exactly, I'm the same.
Either way, it will be a good run for the young players to get that experience in front of a full crowd of passionate supporters. The hawks winning isn't that bad a thing for the footy lover anyhow because they are good to watch when in full flight (just not against Freo).
Provided all the players put it on the line in the Hawks game what else can we ask for? We know they are outclassed but they can still win. Just don't want a listless team out there looking like they want to go on holiday already.
Sandi! has to injure any hawks players if given half a chance,he should have ended Henderson's nite last week.
Hodge and Franklin are the keys for us. If they fire the rest of the team get on board for the ride. However, we do have several problems:
1. The game is in WA. Our interstate form is poor.
2. It's been a major achievement for the side to just make the finals. Every week has been a must-win game for the past 3 months. I'm sure that has taken it's toll.
3. Our backline is seriously undersized. Kick long into the forward line to make the most of this weakness.
4. We are probably one of the slower sides and can be vulnerable on the rebound.
I think however our mid-field is as good as Geelong's and Collingwood's so we should get more use of the footy. Our form has generally been very good for a sustained period and you guys appear to be tapering off a little. Hawks by 9 points.
1. The game is in WA. Our interstate form is poor.
2. It's been a major achievement for the side to just make the finals. Every week has been a must-win game for the past 3 months. I'm sure that has taken it's toll.
3. Our backline is seriously undersized. Kick long into the forward line to make the most of this weakness.
4. We are probably one of the slower sides and can be vulnerable on the rebound.
I think however our mid-field is as good as Geelong's and Collingwood's so we should get more use of the footy. Our form has generally been very good for a sustained period and you guys appear to be tapering off a little. Hawks by 9 points.
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Is it just me or every teams supporters being polite this year? That will all probably change by game time.
Win or lose, the Dockers have a very exciting few years ahead of them. Time to build a reputation and finals experience is the best place to start.
Of course, I think the Hawks will win.
Win or lose, the Dockers have a very exciting few years ahead of them. Time to build a reputation and finals experience is the best place to start.
Of course, I think the Hawks will win.
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None of us have had to go onto the Collingwood boards, or yet had Collingwood supporters here, so everyone is jovial/nervous/excited.
Mind you, when I saw a Hawks supporter on the bus this morning I had to tell her to put the breakfast Jim Beam & Cola away. She slammed it instead and left the empty on the floor.
Sounds like Hungry Hawk was correct then and she was being pretty polite. Usually she would've slammed it down and then crushed the empty on your forehead.
On the AFL board round predictions there is plenty of tips for freo to win. have some faith purple people. Rest sandi forward to stretch there defence.
Johnson really needs to continue his form from the second half last week for us to be a chance, needs to put in a huge 4 quarter effort and really stretch the Hawks defence.
There's no doubt in my mind we need to bring in midfielders to allow Pav to go foward, we have to make the most of the Hawks undersized defence.
There's no doubt in my mind we need to bring in midfielders to allow Pav to go foward, we have to make the most of the Hawks undersized defence.
I keep seeing the "hardened bodies" and "finals experienced players" lines being used for Hawthorn and quite frankly I think it's rubbish. They've played in a few finals and won a bradbury flag, big deal? The adrenaline will be pumping for our boys and I don't see how the finals experience line makes any difference, it's still the same game being played. I have a feeling Pavlich will explode on Saturday, he wants to prove himself in finals and has the chance to do so. I don't see Gibson keeping up with him if Pav is on his game.
Franklin, Rioli, Hodge and Burgoyne are obviously the biggest worries and I think if we can limit the damage done by these four (easier said than done), as well as our big game players firing up we are in with a chance, especially with the home ground advantage. With Tarrant and Ballantyne I'd give us a massive chance, but without them I will say we will need to have a blinder to get over the line.
Freo by 1
Franklin, Rioli, Hodge and Burgoyne are obviously the biggest worries and I think if we can limit the damage done by these four (easier said than done), as well as our big game players firing up we are in with a chance, especially with the home ground advantage. With Tarrant and Ballantyne I'd give us a massive chance, but without them I will say we will need to have a blinder to get over the line.
Freo by 1
Pavlich can't have a blinder when the midfield struggles to get it to him. He usually takes advantage of his opportunities when given them but the midfield usually doesn't deliver it.
Hopefully he goes into the middle at some stage though and belts a few of the hawks midfielders.
Hopefully he goes into the middle at some stage though and belts a few of the hawks midfielders.
The reason people go on about the Hawks "hardened bodies" and "experience" is because it is true. Of course they didn't have much finals experiences themselves when they won the flag, but you can't deny they have an advantage over us in some key areas.
The two players I am concerned about as much as any are Mitchell and Sewell. They might fly under the radar when people are thinking about Franklin or Rioli or Hodge, but Mitchell and Sewell are the engine room. Mitchell could negate Sandilands dominance and win first possession more often than not, and Sewell will try (and quite possibly succeed) to take Mundy out of the game while racking up big inside numbers himself. Sewell is made for finals football.
I think if Sandilands or McPhee should happen to injure Mitchell with a big dumping tackle in close (of which their should be many chances) ... that is the sort of luck we need to curb what looks on paper to be a significant midfield advantage.
The two players I am concerned about as much as any are Mitchell and Sewell. They might fly under the radar when people are thinking about Franklin or Rioli or Hodge, but Mitchell and Sewell are the engine room. Mitchell could negate Sandilands dominance and win first possession more often than not, and Sewell will try (and quite possibly succeed) to take Mundy out of the game while racking up big inside numbers himself. Sewell is made for finals football.
I think if Sandilands or McPhee should happen to injure Mitchell with a big dumping tackle in close (of which their should be many chances) ... that is the sort of luck we need to curb what looks on paper to be a significant midfield advantage.
