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Player Watch #34: Jack Graham - MOVED TO WCE - PICK 42 Received
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It’s obvious his best position is as an inside mid.
For some reason we very rarely play him in the midfield, it shows how little confidence we have in him.
I’m not sure he is best 22 next year, if he is I have no idea in what position.
For some reason we very rarely play him in the midfield, it shows how little confidence we have in him.
I’m not sure he is best 22 next year, if he is I have no idea in what position.
Below we can see how he has tracked year on year in some key statistics. You have to remember 2020 was 80% game time, so you would multiply everything by 1.25 to get a fair comparison to other seasons.
We can see how his game has evolved to some extent. Say compared to 2018, his second season, Graham’s tackles have reduced by just 1 per game, but his contested disposals have increased by almost 2 per game. His scoring and score involvements have been fairly steady but peaked a bit in 2021, but his inside 50’s are at a career high this season, and that along with his his metres gained numbers suggest he is getting a bit more possession further from goal than before. His disposal efficiency is down a little this year, his clangers are relatively high for his career, and his turnovers are at a big career high, which along with his contested possession numbers being up probably suggests on average he is disposing of the ball under greater pressure this season.
Overall this looks like what Jack Graham is as a player. His average game is around 19 disposals, 5 tackles, around 4.5 score involvements, 1.0 goal + goal assist.
But there is another key improvement this year. He is giving away about 25% less free kicks, and gainging about 50% more free kicks than before. Maybe he is getting to the ball first a bit more often than before, and perhaps the more lenient adjudications on tackles may be helping him as well.
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Stop bringing data into the argument! This is Big Footy, not a statisticians convention. Use feelings, not facts.
same/same but same/different comparisons, I still reckon Jack needs to lift a cog or 2 before he gets back that Universal Love he had 2 to 3 years ago where he had Captain material written all over him
Oy? Catkins has played half defence and latterly ft inside mid and is winning rave reviews. Graham has basically played high half forward, doing just as well in most measures and better in some yet he needs to lift.
He may have had a couple of quite weeks but I don’t think this comparison is indicative Graham needs to lift.
OK, but wind the clock back 2 years ago and see the comparisons of the two players where they were at at their careers. Jack Graham was heralded as our next captain and Atkins was in the abyss. I don't usually care much for stats I'D rather use my eyeballs and what I'm seeing is Jack is being shifted to a Jason castagna role (which junior will inherit) whereas Adkins is playing Jacks old role as Mr Fixit. I am just struggling to see where Jack Graham fits in unless he gets cracking in some areas to lead us in our charge towards the finals and in 2023 unless he lifts considerably.
Atkins 2 years ago was older than Graham is now. But he was not fully exposed at AFL level. We can start to see his level now, he is going well in the middle. But he wouldn’t fix the issues in our midfield any better than Graham can. He is strong but slowish, a terrific tackler but not a great creative force. Graham would be a better runner and better kick. Their tackling ability may be similar, perhaps Atkins has better reactions.
Strange stick to beat Jack Graham with.
2 years ago it was
jack graham heir apparent to cotchin as captain and grunt mid.
tommy who??
now most would say atkins is *fulfilling his role and potential better at cats
better than jack is at tigers
forget who's playing mid/back/forward or elsewhere.
this is the this is the *main reason I am drawing the comparison between the two players.
A lot of you seem to not understand what type of player Jack Graham actually is. He's a lot closer to Kane Lambert than he is Trent Cotchin. He's not some big bull contested beast inside mid. He's a gut runner who works bloody hard defensively so blokes like Dusty and Bolton can have the freedom to do what they do offensively.
Criminally underrated on this board.
Criminally underrated on this board.
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I can see what you're saying, but playing him as a forward was diabolical. He's a hard arsed tagger full stop with a bit more polish as he can counter punch. The brain trust absolutely messed up in selection by not starting with MRJ and their arses were saved only bc Grimes sadly went off. Graham's issue is now that our gun midfielders are dying off with age and he's been living off their purse strings playing his role, but he hasn't stepped up his game since as he can't play their midfield role. He's the bottom of the MF list with Ross, but they're still needed players. Sonsie Developing and Bolton's class will help him a lot, but we're probably two class Mids short for the rotations that he needs to play his role to the standard of the team. I will warn you though you take Graham out of the side and replace him with whoever you want that's in the VFL then the floodgates will start to burst.yawn. with your 5 year old stats/smats and 2021 JDM where half our guns missed 6 games or more
chill out, my opinion is he needs to lift, in his prime now and i'm not seeing it and 90% of his pressure rating is just chasing and making the ball carrier hurry up and his tackling is solid and thats his job........ but mainly leads to a ball up and it's a bit over rated today as you cant smash em and crafty player can get their arms free in a tackle.
and jack is a bit of a one trick pony too slow for a prime mid or back flanker, too short and not strong overhead for a winger like pickett isand ive said it for years if he's he's our 22nd selected, we're ok
BUT unless he gets better, if we are chasing tom green and others with junior, sonsie, brown, clark, banks, mansell, stack, dow, rcd, hrs, and co coming along and looking for spots his average/good form needs to spike as with his age demographic or he becomes the next elephant in the room.
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I read and respect what you're saying however shouldn't a defensive gut running role NOW be more suited to a faster more ambidextrous (hand and foot) player who could hit the scoreboard perhaps a bit more than Jack is at the moment as these defensive runners (George was OK at it but his conversion rate was terrible as was his link up play) always should be getting in the hot spot pronto once a turnover occurs.
i get it what defensive runners do, brandon ellis and macca now would always patrol the fat side of the ground and jack graham in years gone by would run like a machine from chb to chf to protect the corridor and scrag and block if dusty, cotch or dion got near it.
not seeing it from jack this year he's fumbly and labouring.
this is why I'm very excited about junior being our next defensive runner, he is fast, tackles stick, he knows where the goals and he can go and get his own ball when the ball is 50/50 loose.
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One of the key cogs of the 18 now. Hopefully the injury issue is minor
No, it's not. He's a defensive outside mid.
Is that another way of saying he is a tagger?
No.
Ok...
Dimma said he's been carrying a sore foot for a while now and it became too painful for him to keep playing on it.
Will be interesting to see if Ross comes in for him next week
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