Player Watch #34: Jack Graham - MOVED TO WCE - PICK 42 Received

[energyquant]

It's a minor point, but he's only played 97 games. We'll miss out on father son picks if he's traded this year.

 

[RJK Tiger]

It's a minor point, but he's only played 97 games. We'll miss out on father son picks if he's traded this year.

Can't consider that too much. Massive chance that rule wont exist in 20 years anyway

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

It's a minor point, but he's only played 97 games. We'll miss out on father son picks if he's traded this year.

looks like you have not heard

he has a vasectomy

 

[TigerImposter]

How are they going to do prestia role if prestia. TT. Hopper. Are in the same team ?

Have you heard about rotations?

 

[Bird Man]

We're not giving up 19 and a future first for Hopper. One or the other, not both.

so pick 12 and 19 for both hopper and TT ?

Unlikely

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

It's a minor point, but he's only played 97 games. We'll miss out on father son picks if he's traded this year.

Fmd hope not, it's only another 18 years we have to wait.

 

[The Dice Man]

Such a brutal sport as far as loyalties go. In fact you could say it's all bullshit and the only thing that matters is winning and the cost be damned. (just see Hawthorn this week)

Im sure there were many of us who had the opinion in October 2017 that 5 gamer Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

can, and should be a Tiger for life, no matter what!

Here we are 5 years later, and it's like falling in and out of love. Clubs love to talk about loyalty to fans ect... It really comes down to loyalty to the dollar. It all falls apart, the loyalty, the love, the support when the dollars stop coming in.

Im so ****ing happy we won premierships, it satisfied that lifelong itch, but I dont really care anymore.

 

[tora tora tora]

Such a brutal sport as far as loyalties go. In fact you could say it's all bullshit and the only thing that matters is winning and the cost be damned. (just see Hawthorn this week)

Im sure there were many of us who had the opinion in October 2017 that 5 gamer Jack Graham can, and should be a Tiger for life, no matter what!

Here we are 5 years later, and it's like falling in and out of love. Clubs love to talk about loyalty to fans ect... It really comes down to loyalty to the dollar. It all falls apart, the loyalty, the love, the support when the dollars stop coming in.

Im so ******* happy we won premierships, it satisfied that lifelong itch, but I dont really care anymore.

We've been losing flag favourites every year.. Grigg, Butler, Caddy, Dave, Houli, Edwards, Lambert.. They, like Jack Graham are officially, club legends. His 2019 Prelim is up there with the best. But, Caddy can't retain his spot at the club cos of legspeed, George can't retain his spot in the 22 is due to changes in game plan.
. When out fastest player Markov can't hold his spot, everyone is up for grabs. If we get StKilda like compo for Higgins I'd trade Jack. I don't think that'll happen. And JG stays...probably more VFL than ever. But JG is great depth for Tarrant/Hopper/Cotch etc

 

[tigerfan1961]

We've been losing flag favourites every year.. Grigg, Butler, Caddy, Dave, Houli, Edwards, Lambert.. They, like Jack Graham are officially, club legends. His 2019 Prelim is up there with the best. But, Caddy can't retain his spot at the club cos of legspeed, George can't retain his spot in the 22 is due to changes in game plan.
. When out fastest player Markov can't hold his spot, everyone is up for grabs. If we get StKilda like compo for Higgins I'd trade Jack. I don't think that'll happen. And JG stays...probably more VFL than ever. But JG is great depth for Tarrant/Hopper/Cotch etc

He’s better than just depth as he plays an important role in the side. We missed him badly in our elimination final loss Imo.

 

[richoatthedisco]

so pick 12 and 19 for both hopper and TT ?

Unlikely

Did I say that?

 

[tora tora tora]

He’s better than just depth as he plays an important role in the side. We missed him badly in our elimination final loss Imo.

I think others are ahead of JG in the JG role. Ditto George and the Castagna role.
Dunno if we lost that game on the JG selection omission. But he's a dimama fave so it'll be interesting.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

People are under rating jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

here alot and he is not depth but starting 22 every day of the week when fit
unless we have Clarke , Banks , Brown in the wings that can do the defensive running mid role ready to go i wouldnt be trading him unless the pick was too good to refuse and he wanted to leave

 

[Grrr]

People are under rating jack Graham here alot and he is not depth but starting 22 every day of the week when fit
unless we have Clarke , Banks , Brown in the wings that can do the defensive running mid role ready to go i wouldnt be trading him unless the pick was too good to refuse and he wanted to leave

So assuming we get Taranto and Hopper, where do you see Graham's spot in our side, taking into account young players like Cumberland and Sonsie, who look very promising but might not be better players than Graham but will hopefully be selected before him due to their upside. Also Miller as a second ruck, Gibcus as a back etc.

1.Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Vlastuin, Grimes, Prestia, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rioli, Nankervis, Lynch, Balta, Bolton, MacIntosh, Pickett, Broad, Miller, Baker, Short, Cumberland, Sonsie, 22. Gibcus.

Who would you take out of our best 22 for Graham. He sits in my eyes with Ross, MRJ, Tarrant, Hugo, Stack, just outside.

 

[4tune8]

Just remember, most clubs have at least 4 to 6 players out injured at any one time, a few of which are best 22. So It's not an arguement of fitting all the players into best 22. It's really a best 25-26 minimum with a need for another half a dozen for depth.

Not too many supporters understand this.

 

[Grrr]

Not too many supporters understand this.

I think most do, but this is hypothetical best 22. At many times during the year we also had an almost full list to choose from, our final against Brisbane I think Grimes was our only injury. But best 25-26 still puts Graham in the bottom 6 I would think.

 

[Forensi Tiger]

Not too many supporters understand this.

Yes that true but salary cap and the need get draft picks to draft other desired players often mean you can’t keep as good quality players in the 22-26 rangers you would like.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Jarod Polec was not worth pick #7
Weller was not worth pick #2


But desperate times call for desperate measures and clubs Pay

Graham + #30 for #8-10 would not be out of the question

Would be ideal.Not sure Port will take that though.
It would mean at the very least we keep our 1st this year or next years.

 

[richard parker]

Taranto, hopper and graham as well as Bolton, cotch, Prestia, sonsie, short, dusty, Ross etc just gives us so much balance and flexibility in the midfield. Trying to hold onto a lead or stopping oppo momentum becomes a lot more achievable with a number of accountable, strong, good running, defensive midfielders in the mix. I would definitely keep graham. Not even a question. When he’s fit he is a great player. It’s just that he does the unflashy, hard stuff that goes a bit unnoticed. He’s no Shai but you need the work horses in the mix too.

 

[Grrr]

Taranto, hopper and graham as well as Bolton, cotch, Prestia, sonsie, short, dusty, Ross etc just gives us so much balance and flexibility in the midfield. Trying to hold onto a lead or stopping oppo momentum becomes a lot more achievable with a number of accountable, strong, good running, defensive midfielders in the mix. I would definitely keep graham. Not even a question. When he’s fit he is a great player. It’s just that he does the unflashy, hard stuff that goes a bit unnoticed. He’s no Shai but you need the work horses in the mix too.

That's 10 midfielders, which is a lot.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

It all depends what we get in return for him. He's a good player, wouldn't give him away for bugger all
Would of liked him to of made it to 100 games for the tiges

I think Ross has leapfrogged him.
Be interesting to see how it plays out

I heard we want to target a kpf in this draft. Not sure how we get a good enough pick to get a decent 1?

Unless we take a punt on Harry Leemey.Touted top 10 last year.Fallen off the cliff this year.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Graham + #30 for #8-10 would not be out of the question

Yes, it would.

 

[beema limapep]

Unless we take a punt on Harry Leemey.Touted top 10 last year.Fallen off the cliff this year.

Isnt he the bassist from Motorhead?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Isnt he the bassist from Motorhead?

No idea.lol

 

[4tune8]

I think most do, but this is hypothetical best 22. At many times during the year we also had an almost full list to choose from, our final against Brisbane I think Grimes was our only injury. But best 25-26 still puts Graham in the bottom 6 I would think.

I hear ya about the hypothetical best 22-23. The final against Brisbane had Grimes, Graham and Lambert missing, as well as an underdone Dusty and injury prone Prestia with Edwards as the sub. Meant that we had to play Gibcus, Ross, Sonsie and Edwards. A theoretical best 22 would have had Sonsie, Ross or Gibcus as the sub.

Out of our best 22 this year we only had 5 players play all 23 games, 1 played 22, 2 played 21, 2 played 20, 4 played 19. Out of those 14 players that consistently got on the park we still lost 27 games to injury, we lost 54 games to the remainder. The most serious of those games lost to injury were Lambert, who lost 16, Dusty 14, Grimes 8 and Flossy 6. Combine those with Prestia 4, Lynch 4, Balta 5, Cotch 4, Pickett 4, pretty much shows that our most impactful players weren't on the park and we had to rely on players 22-26 like Sonsie, Ross and Gibcus.

I haven't put up these numbers as an excuse for losing games, more to highlight the fact that to remain more than competitive then those players 22-26 have to be considered to be in our best 22.

 

[captain cotch 9]

So assuming we get Taranto and Hopper, where do you see Graham's spot in our side, taking into account young players like Cumberland and Sonsie, who look very promising but might not be better players than Graham but will hopefully be selected before him due to their upside. Also Miller as a second ruck, Gibcus as a back etc.

1.Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Vlastuin, Grimes, Prestia, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rioli, Nankervis, Lynch, Balta, Bolton, MacIntosh, Pickett, Broad, Miller, Baker, Short, Cumberland, Sonsie, 22. Gibcus.

Who would you take out of our best 22 for Graham. He sits in my eyes with Ross, MRJ, Tarrant, Hugo, Stack, just outside.

Graham is still young. He is 24 and hasn’t quite hit 100 games. We need to keep him