350 gamer Brent Harvey - his standing in the game

[BLUEALLTHRU]

It's the op's fault, we could've been celebrating the great career he has/is having instead op decided to put him on the same level as hird, voss, ricciuto which he is clearly not.

Champion of north melbourne, not a champion of the competition.

Again that is your opinion imo he is a champion in any competition

 

[Ted38]

Again that is your opinion imo he is a champion in any competition

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Dazb86]

Will make the hall of fame no doubt.

 

[Tragic sainter]

Again that is your opinion imo he is a champion in any competition

How many champions do you have currently playing in the afl at the moment if I might ask? Because if you call boomer a champion of the competition then surely there are many others, I think the term gets thrown around far too loosely and it dilutes the meaning of true champion.

 

[shintemaster]

How many champions do you have currently playing in the afl at the moment if I might ask? Because if you call boomer a champion of the competition then surely there are many others, I think the term gets thrown around far too loosely and it dilutes the meaning of true champion.

Why don't you tell us how many you have and list them to get the ball rolling?

 

[Bluey_McKenna]

Current champions:
S. Black
J. Brown
C. Judd
D. Swan
S. Pendlebury
J. Watson
M. Pavlich
G. Ablett
J. Bartel
C. Enright
S. Johnson
L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
N. Riewoldt
A. Goodes
R. O'Keefe
D. Cox
D. Glass

I have Harvey just a smidge below these guys, but still a celebrated player with great longevity. Note I haven't included some like a Daniel Kerr in this list who I think is a more talented player but not as consistent.

Guys like Cotchin, Dangerfield, Franklin still have time to prove themselves as "Champions".

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Good, solid player well done on reaching 350 boomer.

Will be and deserves to be a club legend for north, but in the large scale he's not an AFL great.

It's possible that if he'd been playing In a top 8 team for most of his career it might be different but it is what it is.

 

[shintemaster]

Current champions:
S. Black
J. Brown
C. Judd
D. Swan
S. Pendlebury
J. Watson
M. Pavlich
G. Ablett
J. Bartel
C. Enright
S. Johnson
L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
N. Riewoldt
A. Goodes
R. O'Keefe
D. Cox
D. Glass

I have Harvey just a smidge below these guys, but still a celebrated player with great longevity. Note I haven't included some like a Daniel Kerr in this list who I think is a more talented player but not as consistent.

Guys like Cotchin, Dangerfield, Franklin still have time to prove themselves as "Champions".

I would have Harvey easily in that company. Some of those players would need to do what they are doing for several more years to come close to him. Pendelbury & Watson in particular come to mind.

 

[KillaKanga]

Well this thread went well.

We spend too much justifying where we think a player should be put instead of saying.

350 games WOW. Still playing very good football WOW

Great job Boomer hope you can finish your career with a bookended premiership

 

[Tragic sainter]

Why don't you tell us how many you have and list them to get the ball rolling?

Black
Judd
Ablett
Goodes
Reiwoldt

That's it.

 

[TheKanga]

Current champions:
S. Black
J. Brown
C. Judd
D. Swan
S. Pendlebury
J. Watson
M. Pavlich
G. Ablett
J. Bartel
C. Enright
S. Johnson
L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
N. Riewoldt
A. Goodes
R. O'Keefe
D. Cox
D. Glass

I have Harvey just a smidge below these guys, but still a celebrated player with great longevity. Note I haven't included some like a Daniel Kerr in this list who I think is a more talented player but not as consistent.

Guys like Cotchin, Dangerfield, Franklin still have time to prove themselves as "Champions".

N. Riewoldt ahead of Boomer?
Probably a unpopular opinion but i'm not convinced Jobe Watson is a champion of the game if Boomer isn't.

 

[CURVE]

Leigh Matthews has called him elite and a champion player.

That's good enough for me.

 

[shintemaster]

N. Riewoldt ahead of Boomer?
Probably a unpopular opinion but i'm not convinced Jobe Watson is a champion of the game if Boomer isn't.

It all depends on your definition of course and it is often based on intangibles.

Watson has been at the level he is for a miniscule amount of time in the scheme of things, that's not to downrate how dangerous he has been over the last few years, however Harvey has been among the top 10% of players for around a decade now.

 

[MarcusP2]

Boomer will suffer for having played for North during a post success era at his peak and being twice runner up in the brownlow.
IMO his career would be similarly rated alongside someone like McLeod.
Guns. Dominated the comp at one stage. Club champions.
It seems everyone has a level of the players of that era viewed in this pecking order.
Voss Buckley Hird Harvey
Cousins Crawford Wanganeen Akermanis
Harvey McLeod Ricciuto Koutoufides
Kelly West Matera
Hocking Knights Bell Couch

I doubt you'll find everyone agreeing on that at all. For 1 I would move Ricciuto to the top level and McLeod up 1 (maybe a bit of bias but you can see from this thread that many are putting Roo up there anyway...) Where's Carey?

 

[tazaa]

I doubt you'll find everyone agreeing on that at all. For 1 I would move Ricciuto to the top level and McLeod up 1 (maybe a bit of bias but you can see from this thread that many are putting Roo up there anyway...) Where's Carey?

Yeh, I would put Roo up one on second thought. I was rating mainly mids only also.

 

[benbanjo]

Current champions:
S. Black
J. Brown
C. Judd
D. Swan
S. Pendlebury
J. Watson
M. Pavlich
G. Ablett
J. Bartel
C. Enright
S. Johnson
L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
N. Riewoldt
A. Goodes
R. O'Keefe
D. Cox
D. Glass

I have Harvey just a smidge below these guys, but still a celebrated player with great longevity. Note I haven't included some like a Daniel Kerr in this list who I think is a more talented player but not as consistent.

Guys like Cotchin, Dangerfield, Franklin still have time to prove themselves as "Champions".

LOL

 

[benbanjo]

I doubt you'll find everyone agreeing on that at all. For 1 I would move Ricciuto to the top level and McLeod up 1 (maybe a bit of bias but you can see from this thread that many are putting Roo up there anyway...) Where's Carey?

Carey Mathews and Ablett senior are in a class of their own...

Where is Judd in all of this.... is he as good as Bucks? hird?

 

[Lord Eddard]

Carey Mathews and Ablett senior are in a class of their own...

Were is Judd in all of this.... is he as good as Bucks? hird?

Safely if not better.

 

[benbanjo]

Safely if not better.

So do we go something like
Carey, Mathews, Senior
Junior, Judd?
Hird, bucks voss Roo?
Harvey, Mcload Johnson...?
whats the go ?

 

[The Passenger]

Current champions:
S. Black
J. Brown
C. Judd
D. Swan
S. Pendlebury
J. Watson
M. Pavlich
G. Ablett
J. Bartel
C. Enright
S. Johnson
L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
N. Riewoldt
A. Goodes
R. O'Keefe
D. Cox
D. Glass

I have Harvey just a smidge below these guys, but still a celebrated player with great longevity. Note I haven't included some like a Daniel Kerr in this list who I think is a more talented player but not as consistent.

Guys like Cotchin, Dangerfield, Franklin still have time to prove themselves as "Champions".

harvey sits along side most of those players. not all mind you, but most of them.

interesting you say franklin still has to prove himself as a champion but you include jobe watson who is in probably his third season of being a top level footballer.

of the current mob black, judd, ablett, pavlich, riewoldt, goodes, cox, fletcher, black, enright, sandilands, hayes

of the recent mob hird, buckley, voss, r harvey, johnson, west, richardson, ricciuto, scarlett, cousins, tredrea, mcleod

all those above would have brent harvey covered, plus proably a few others i've oversighted. no slight on harvey, these guys are all great footballers.

harvey is an excellent footballer, with extraordinary longevity. there will be no hesitations that he will make the hall of fame.

harvey would be on the same sort of level as guys like mitchell, glass, kerr, bartel, j brown, bolton, chapman, goodwin, swan, hodge, o'keefe, edwards (tyson), s johnson...

there would be a lot of footballers i've missed from this comparison so don't get your knickers in a knot cause i missed your club champion.

i've delibrately left out the younger guys like franklin, pendlebury, dangerfield, cotchin, goddard, cloke, josh kennedy (both), j riewoldt, harry taylor cause they still have a lot of time left in their career to define themselves. and i've left of watson even though he is older because he took a long time to hit his straps. he'll be a hard one to judge at careers end.

 

[Lord Eddard]

So do we go something like
Carey, Mathews, Senior
Junior, Judd?
Hird, bucks voss Roo?
Harvey, Mcload Johnson...?
whats the go ?

Yeah that doesn't look too bad. I'm assuming thats a snapshot not a comprehensive list of great footballers though but your tiers look pretty good.

 

[MaddAdam]

It's possible that if he'd been playing In a top 8 team for most of his career it might be different but it is what it is.

Played nearly 2/3rds of his career in finals teams.

People forget just how good the young Boomer was. I'd be interested to know what per centage of BF wasn't even born when Boomer made his debut.

Was a key cog in Paddock's Paddock. Averaged 16 touches and a goal a game as a small forward in a premiership year.

Won the EJ Whitten medal for best afield in the last state of origin.

I think most people can't remember back past about 2005 on this joint.

Had he been born a year earlier, would also have played in the 96 GF.

 

[tazaa]

Just on Boomer besides being arguably the best high percentage shot for goal, his kicking around the ground is exemplary. There is no one in the comp that would top him and he is equal to the elite of who can hit targets by foot like he can as he rarely if ever misses. Im talking Ablett, Cotchin, Pendlebury levels of good.
That in itself is why he gets run with in his twilight of his career as unlike Watson or Swan who get it 35 plus times, boomer getting it 20 is just as damaging.
Really underrated in this area and its why he should receive much higher accolades than he does receive.

 

[premierpies13]

In the same sense, Harvey isn't fit to carry Voss, Hird or Ricciuto's bags.

Deliberately left Buckley out, geeezzuuusss

 

[Roobound]

Black
Judd
Ablett
Goodes
Reiwoldt

That's it.

Great athlete who over his whole career has failed to kick goals that count. Not elite for mine