350 gamer Brent Harvey - his standing in the game

[royals1922]

Where do you want to start:

There are 67 men who have played 300 or more AFL games , only 4 of them have been below 180cm being Murray (178cm), Schimmelbusch (179 cm), Bartlett ( 177cm) and...... Harvey (172cm)

Brownlow votes - He has got 159 Brownlow votes in his career.
Goals- He has scored 414 goals 267 behinds at over a goal a game in his career.
Goal assists- His 169 goals assists in 220 recorded games is 6th highest behind Judd, Johnson, Goodes, Riewoldt and Ablett.
Inside 50s- His 1311 inside 50s in 331 recorded games at just under 4 a game is second only to Akermanis.
Clearances - His 818 clearances at 2.5 per game in 331 recorded games is 25th in recorded figures.
Clangers - He has made 627 clangers in 331 games at a rate of 1.89 per game, 0.2 on average below every other player in the top 30 recorded players for clangers.
Bounces- His 854 bounces in 308 games is the highest of any recorded player.
Contested possesions- His 2256 contested possessions in 308 recorded games at 7.32 per game is 13th among recorded players.
Uncontested possesions- He is also the master of uncontested possessions with 4380 in 308 recoded games. He can get his own ball and be ready to use the ball if necessary.
Disposals-His 7.269 disposals at average 20 per game is 7th highest of recorded AFL players on RL Stats and with Black and Hayes, they are the only current players in the top 30 recorded players.
Kicks - His 4618 kicks at 13 per game is 7th highest on RL Stats and with fletcher and Goodes, they are the only current players in the top 30 recorded players.
Handballs- His 2651 handball at 7 per game is 21st highest and he is one 11 current day players in the top 30 recorded.

There has been one disappointment - he has only ever had 1 hit out in his career.

Harvey is a champion.

Just an update after his 350th to take account of his fine body of work:

Goals +4.4
Goal assists +1
Inside 50s +7
Clearances +4
Clangers +1
Bounces +9
Contested possessions +8
Uncontested possessions +14
Disposals +23
Kicks +17
Handballs +6

Sadly didn't get a hit out.

Not bad for a 35 year old.....

 

[half_back_flank]

And I showed you Harvey's numbers after his 30s when he has continued to play as well than he did as before his 30s.

As for All Australian, well Maric got it last year (and that says everything about the choice of All australian).

Harvey were different players but that does not make one necessarily better than the other and Brent Harvey is still producing after 35 and still getting a hard tag.

I find this exercise somewhat tedious given that Harvey of the Robert and Brent kind were/are both champions of the game but while people come out with their partisan biased view of a NM player as if it were fact will continue to point to the numbers which suggest that Brent Harvey belongs to the upper echelon of AFL players in recent AFL history.

You've tried to make a case for Brent Harvey being a comparable or better player by using stats that fail to take into account Robert Harvey's best years.

You are entitled to think that B Harvey is better. As am I for thinking R Harvey's 1994 - 1999 where he was on the ball in every AA side was far better than any 5+ period B Harvey has had and even R Harvey was both inside individual seasons and over their respective careers more consistent. But using stats like you have to justify that opinion while omitting R Harvey's best years is idiotic.

Btw, if you think AAs are rubbish because Maric made it last year, take another look at the 2012 team.

 

[Spitta09]

By the end of his career this guy will probably be pushing 500 goals which is an amazing feat for a midfielder. Goal kicking mids are a lot more valuable than clearance specialists who are very common players. I wouldn't quite put harvey on the same pedestool as Voss, Goodes, but you would be silly to not pick him ahead of Scott West and say a Tyson Edwards.

 

[sickmick92]

If he gets to 400 there's every chance he'll have more brownlow votes than centimetres

 

[ManOfClay]

I wouldn't quite put harvey on the same pedestool as Voss, Goodes, but you would be silly to not pick him ahead of Scott West and say a Tyson Edwards.

That'd be hall of famer Scott West to you sir.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Just an update after his 350th to take account of his fine body of work:

Goals +4.4
Goal assists +1
Inside 50s +7
Clearances +4
Clangers +1
Bounces +9
Contested possessions +8
Uncontested possessions +14
Disposals +23
Kicks +17
Handballs +6

Sadly didn't get a hit out.

Not bad for a 35 year old.....

16 STK St Kilda No Change 10 2 8 0 820 965 85 LLWLL WCE 8
17 MELB Melbourne No Change 10 1 9 0 685 1333 51.4 LLLWL COLL 4
18 GWS GWS Giants No Change 10 0 10 0 728 1422 51.2 LLLLL GEEL 0

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

How many players are tagged every week at 35?

 

[cammo78]

How many players are tagged every week at 35?

Depends whether they play in teams bereft of other players worthy of being tagged.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Depends whether they play in teams bereft of other players worthy of being tagged.

You have a horrible understanding of the game if you think teams will tag a player just because he is the best opposition player. Players who are not worthy of a tag do not get tagged. Hence, Matthew Boyd is not tagged, ever.

Harvey gets tagged because he is the most damaging player on the field when he gets the ball, not because the players around him aren't worthy.

Then he comes out and kicks 4 goals with a bloke hanging off his back anyway.

 

[Spitta09]

That'd be hall of famer Scott West to you sir.

And... Harvey will be a hall of famer as well.

 

[Confuscius]

I'd have to watch it again (and I'm not keen to!) but three times I saw Harvey being manned up in his forward 50 by McEvoy in the first half. I remember this because it's a clear mismatch that really frustrated me as we were already being smashed. I saw Geary running around with him a bit but those occasions made me not so sure he was being tagged that heavily...

 

[cammo78]

You have a horrible understanding of the game if you think teams will tag a player just because he is the best opposition player. Players who are not worthy of a tag do not get tagged. Hence, Matthew Boyd is not tagged, ever.

Harvey gets tagged because he is the most damaging player on the field when he gets the ball, not because the players around him aren't worthy.

Then he comes out and kicks 4 goals with a bloke hanging off his back anyway.

You clearly have a horrible understanding of the English language.

Please point me to the part of my post which referred to "best player".

 

[Hunters Host #3]

I'd have to watch it again (and I'm not keen to!) but three times I saw Harvey being manned up in his forward 50 by McEvoy in the first half. I remember this because it's a clear mismatch that really frustrated me as we were already being smashed. I saw Geary running around with him a bit but those occasions made me not so sure he was being tagged that heavily...

Yeah, nah.

Geary had the hard run-with role.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

You clearly have a horrible understanding of the English language.

Please point me to the part of my post which referred to "best player".

You suggested that Harvey is only tagged because North are bereft of players worthy of being tagged.

Forgive me if I take it as Harvey being the most worthy of a tag means he is the best player.

Now dig yourself a hole, similar to the $10M one your club is in and crawl into it. You're adding nothing here with your ridiculous comparisons with one of the best ball users in the game against one of the worst ball users ever.

 

[Fireballs]

Champion.

 

[Kimbo]

Robert was better
2 browlows
1 mvp
8 all australians
4 best and Fairests
2 most brownlow votes
3 EJ Whitten Medals
He also played in a era where stats were not a descriptive so we don't know how much goal assists he has got but i reckon it would be way more than boomer

I thought Blighty's assessment of St. Harvey was on the money.

 

[cammo78]

You suggested that Harvey is only tagged because North are bereft of players worthy of being tagged.

Forgive me if I take it as Harvey being the most worthy of a tag means he is the best player.

Now dig yourself a hole, similar to the $10M one your club is in and crawl into it. You're adding nothing here with your ridiculous comparisons with one of the best ball users in the game against one of the worst ball users ever.

Say what?

Who did I compare Boomer to??

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I thought Blighty's assessment of St. Harvey was on the money.

About him not being dangerous. Plugger did not think that when he was on the lead, neither did Buckley who rates Robert has the best he has played against or Parkin when Robert was at his best in the 90's and Opposition coaches thought that he was dangerous or else he would not of been tagged.

I would take whatever Malcolm Blight says about the Saints with a grain of salt or maybe instead of playing golf on the gold coast he could of seen Harvey in different light.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Say what?

Who did I compare Boomer to??

I'll spell it out for you mate.

West, Johnson and Rohan Smith, three players you have mentioned in this thread, none of them would be fit to carry Brent Harvey's bag into the ground.

In fact, meld the 3 of them into one inside/outside goal kicking half back flanker, called Bradscott Wesmithson.

Harvey is still better than Bradscott Wesmithson on his best day.

 

[cammo78]

I'll spell it out for you mate.

West, Johnson and Rohan Smith, three players you have mentioned in this thread, none of them would be fit to carry Brent Harvey's bag into the ground.

In fact, meld the 3 of them into one inside/outside goal kicking half back flanker, called Bradscott Wesmithson.

Harvey is still better than Bradscott Wesmithson on his best day.

Pfft. Not likely mate.

Good ordinary player. That's all.

 

[DapperDon]

I'll spell it out for you mate.

West, Johnson and Rohan Smith, three players you have mentioned in this thread, none of them would be fit to carry Brent Harvey's bag into the ground.

In fact, meld the 3 of them into one inside/outside goal kicking half back flanker, called Bradscott Wesmithson.

Harvey is still better than Bradscott Wesmithson on his best day.

In the same sense, Harvey isn't fit to carry Voss, Hird or Ricciuto's bags.

 

[Confuscius]

Yeah, nah.

Geary had the hard run-with role.

Well I saw what I saw lol

I don't doubt Geary was matched with him, but for those occasions noone was paying attention to him.

And doesn't Dempster have a good record against Boomer? You'd think he'd be first choice if negating him was a high priority.

Doesn't matter anyway. Harvey will probably get 3 votes, we got smashed, and he's had a stellar career that puts him up in the upper echelon of all players to have ever played. I don't think he's better than Robert, though I also think player v player discussions are stupid, particularly when the two played their peaks in a different era, meaning the game style was vastly different thanks to several rule changes.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

In the same sense, Harvey isn't fit to carry Voss, Hird or Ricciuto's bags.

Yes although I wouldn't have Hird and Ricciuto on the same level as Voss.

 

[Hunters Host #3]

Doesn't matter anyway. Harvey will probably get 3 votes, we got smashed, and he's had a stellar career that puts him up in the upper echelon of all players to have ever played. I don't think he's better than Robert, though I also think player v player discussions are stupid, particularly when the two played their peaks in a different era, meaning the game style was vastly different thanks to several rule changes.

Well said.

Some comparisons are counterproductive and not needed.

 

[J_Moore]

I'd put him on Fletcher/McLeod level. Never really in the absolute best players in the competition, but amazingly durable and consistent.