3rd ODI; Australia V India @ the MCG.

[damochandler]

Remember that time Siddle bowled around the wicket to a right hander in the 48th in India and the first 2 balls went for 10 wides

 

[big_e]

With the final to be played at the end of summer meaning a likely washout game. ffs.

I would rather have the world cup every 2-3 years but of a way shorter format. The current format is just revenue raising.

I wont bother with quarter finals. My sleep will be ruined for semis and final.

Final is July 14. About as close to the middle of summer as you can get.

 

[Wedge McManus]

Underestimate England, NZ and SA at your peril. They are very good ODI teams. SA are due.

Every single WC they say that and SA never do anything. Be more of a chance for the windies than SA

 

[Wedge McManus]

Well I agree with the sentiment but I don’t go for India either mate.
I dislike Australia - a lot - but I don’t have much time for India either.

I thought you were Indian? Nothing wrong with that btw

 

[GROTTO]

Final is July 14. About as close to the middle of summer as you can get.

So given its in England there is a high chance it will be raining on that day.

What worries is that you said the middle of summer, which means the round robin tournament could have days where it is washed out or rain affected.

 

[GROTTO]

Every single WC they say that and SA never do anything. Be more of a chance for the windies than SA

SA are always a top 4 threat, as to their ability to pass the semi remains another issue.

They have choked rather than underperformed. If this was T20 then yes WI are a threat, but in 50 overs they dont have a chance.

Mind you I think Pakistan are capable of anything. Being smashed in the round robin to winning the tournament with their lethal swing and pace bowlers.

 

[PhatBoy]

I thought you were Indian? Nothing wrong with that btw

I’m from the middle of NSW, I primarily support West Indies

 

[big_e]

So given its in England there is a high chance it will be raining on that day.

What worries is that you said the middle of summer, which means the round robin tournament could have days where it is washed out or rain affected.

Higher rainfall in Melbourne in March (when the last final was played) than there is in London in July.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Lol. Come on.. All forms?

Smith doesn't get to play on postage stamps very often.

 

[Woody15]

Smith doesn't get to play on postage stamps very often.

Well a simple analysis of where both players have scored their runs should indicate who the better player is in these formats yeh?

Kohli ODI average: 59.68
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Smith ODI average: 41.68
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Kohlis T20I average: 49.25
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Steve Smith T20I average: 21.55
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From the stats above, can you point out exactly why you think Steve Smith is better than Kohli in ODI and T20 formats again?

When it comes to observations concerning cricket, I tend to try support my arguments with facts and statistics rather than just hot air.

 

[Stopher]

Yep, Smith is a good short-form player, but not a patch on Kohli, or his own Test record, for that matter.

 

[Kram]

I'd definitely take Smith over Kohli over in Tests, but Kohli shits all over him in the 2 shorter forms

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Well a simple analysis of where both players have scored their runs should indicate who the better player is in these formats yeh?

Kohli ODI average: 59.68
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Smith ODI average: 41.68
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Kohlis T20I average: 49.25
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Steve Smith T20I average: 21.55
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From the stats above, can you point out exactly why you think Steve Smith is better than Kohli in ODI and T20 formats again?

When it comes to observations concerning cricket, I tend to try support my arguments with facts and statistics rather than just hot air.

Smith stands up in the big ODIs, as in world cups.

 

[Woody15]

Im not going to waste my time debating such dribble.

 

[to1994]

Smith stands up in the big ODIs, as in world cups.

Yes, based on his huge sample size of 2 World Cups, the first he didn't perform at all and was dropped (obviously he was not the player he is now but we have to include it because of your logic). Secondly, the World Cup he did play well in was mostly at home so he had that going for him too.

He's a good ODI player but he's always going to play that anchor role where he can set up an innings while the others bat around him, he strikes at 86.

T20 there's even less going for him, he's got 13 scores over 50 in over 150 games. He's probably not in the top 20 t20 batsman in the world let alone beating out the best t20 batsman (who performs not just in random domestic comps but in IT20's as well.

Still rate him as the best Test batsman currently, regardless of Kohli's good form.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I’d love to see an Ugly XI exhibition side

Dhoni, Elgar, Chanderpaul, G Smith, Bumrah, Paul Adams et al

Paul Collingwood was one of the ugliest batsmen I've ever seen. Just horrible. Outstanding stonewaller though.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Smith stands up in the big ODIs, as in world cups.

Well go on, explain to us how he is better than Kohli in T20s? You did say 'all forms'.

From espn cricinfo
Kohli in T20 internationals - 65 matches, average of 49.25, SR of 136, 19 50's
Overall T20s - 250 matches, average of 40.8, SR of 133, 4 100's, 57 50's

Smith in T20 internationals - 30 matches, average of 21, SR of 122, 2 50's
Overall T20s - 164 matches, average of 29.4, SR of 125, 1 100, 12 50's

Kohli wins average, runs, SR, 50s, 100s. Kohli has even hit a 77 off 58 in a T20 world cup final!

It's Kohli clearly in LO, Smith clearly in Test. You're blinkered to think otherwise.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Feel bad for these guys having to do these bullshit interviews into a camera on the ground. Must be so weird. Definitely played a part in maxys dropped catch

These guys are paid to play the best cricket for Australia they can - not to make sure the audience gets the 'feels'.

Multi-tasking in this way when playing international sport should be banned.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Kohli is pretty much a top 3 ODI batsmen of all time. He averaged 50 in the series just gone and most of us Australian fans were pretty pleased with that result overall...Kohli only averaging 50 and only having 1 match winning knock is a slight win for us...

 

[Richard Pryor]

Yes, based on his huge sample size of 2 World Cups, the first he didn't perform at all and was dropped (obviously he was not the player he is now but we have to include it because of your logic). Secondly, the World Cup he did play well in was mostly at home so he had that going for him too.

He's a good ODI player but he's always going to play that anchor role where he can set up an innings while the others bat around him, he strikes at 86.

T20 there's even less going for him, he's got 13 scores over 50 in over 150 games. He's probably not in the top 20 t20 batsman in the world let alone beating out the best t20 batsman (who performs not just in random domestic comps but in IT20's as well.

Still rate him as the best Test batsman currently, regardless of Kohli's good form.

Bit harsh on Smith in T20s. In the IPL he averages 37.02 with a SR of 131.70: https://www.iplt20.com/teams/rajasthan-royals/squad/271/steve-smith

For comparison Kohli averages 38.35 at a SR of 130.76 (Although to be fair Kohli has been playing full IPL seasons since he was 20, so the comparison is flattering for Smith): https://www.iplt20.com/teams/royal-challengers-bangalore/squad/164/virat-kohli

And while he's nowhere near Kohli, using T20I stats to compare is meaningless since over half of Smith's T20I games are from before 2011 when he was the teams shit legspinner, and over half of Kohli's T20I games are from 2015 and after. Obviously Kohli's long record of dominance makes him the by far superior player, I'm more disagreeing with Smith not being top 20 T20 batsmen in the world.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Well go on, explain to us how he is better than Kohli in T20s? You did say 'all forms'.

From espn cricinfo
Kohli in T20 internationals - 65 matches, average of 49.25, SR of 136, 19 50's
Overall T20s - 250 matches, average of 40.8, SR of 133, 4 100's, 57 50's

Smith in T20 internationals - 30 matches, average of 21, SR of 122, 2 50's
Overall T20s - 164 matches, average of 29.4, SR of 125, 1 100, 12 50's

Kohli wins average, runs, SR, 50s, 100s. Kohli has even hit a 77 off 58 in a T20 world cup final!

It's Kohli clearly in LO, Smith clearly in Test. You're blinkered to think otherwise.

I don't really follow T20, just assumed Smiths record would be better than it is.

 

[Woody15]

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Bit harsh on Smith in T20s. In the IPL he averages 37.02 with a SR of 131.70: https://www.iplt20.com/teams/rajasthan-royals/squad/271/steve-smith

For comparison Kohli averages 38.35 at a SR of 130.76 (Although to be fair Kohli has been playing full IPL seasons since he was 20, so the comparison is flattering for Smith): https://www.iplt20.com/teams/royal-challengers-bangalore/squad/164/virat-kohli

And while he's nowhere near Kohli, using T20I stats to compare is meaningless since over half of Smith's T20I games are from before 2011 when he was the teams shit legspinner, and over half of Kohli's T20I games are from 2015 and after. Obviously Kohli's long record of dominance makes him the by far superior player, I'm more disagreeing with Smith not being top 20 T20 batsmen in the world.

Did Smith play many/any ODIs as an allrounder?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Just looked it up, Smith has taken 27 wkts in ODIs, fair to say he probably played 20+ games batting at 7 or 8 which would hurt his overall ODI average.

 

[PhatBoy]

We'll be there dude, don't really care who we play, but unless you've been living under a rock for the lost 30 years Australia come to play in WCs, India are ranked no1 ATM but we all know the Weapons Australia has to add.

King Kohli? I'd back Smith any day of the week in all forms.

Then you’re an idiot.

Of kohli’s 6 hundreds against Australia in odi cricket?

1 of them was in India.
Unless you’re calling the Aussie grounds postage stamps? Is that what you’re doing?

There are literally two cricket nations on the planet where Kohli doesn’t average 50 in odi cricket. West Indies and Sri Lanka. He averages 47 and 45 there.

Smith’s CAREER ODI AVERAGE is lower than Kohli’s TWO LOWEST COUNTRY AVERAGES.

Smith himself averages over 50 in Australia, West Indies and UAE.

In no universe, other than perhaps if you lived inside your own ballsack subsisting entirely on a diet of your own semen mixed in a cocktail with Mississippi moonshine, is Smith a superior ODI player to Kohli.



Most people, in fact, are not superior at odi cricket to the best player in the format’s history, amazingly.