Past #4: Daniel Harris - 149 games for NMFC - delisted end '09 - 11 games for GCFC

[Shinboners]

I usually reckon that you are on the money Shinners but I feel that I could search through the bigfooty archives and find that you said the same thing last year. I reckon he would have been getting a run this year if he was going to make it - his 2003 year was better'n his 2004 to my mind.

I probably did say that last year.

Hopefully I'm right this time though.

Looking back on 2004, not seeing Watson getting a decent run in the seniors was one of my disappointments. But if what I've heard (and read on these boards) are right, Laidley rates Watson, so I don't think we've lost all hope for the kids long term progress.

 

[mav-1]

Agreed - by the end of the season all we were doing was

(a) Opening up the possibility of further aggrivation to the injury
(b) Telling the Junior players that we select the side on reputation rather than form
(c) Further damage Boomers esteem by playing him when he was obviously not 100%
(d) Deny a player like Watson the opportunity to have a run of games at the end of the season so that he can enter 2005 thinking that if he does the right thing there is a spot open for him. Don't want to get the Kid down after all

What a load of rubbish this is. When Archer palys with an injury we all say what a hero he is. When Boomer does it, a lot of people say we should trade him.

The one thing this team learnt last year was how to play through Pain...they all watched Jas do it day after day.

Up until the last week we were always a mathmatical chance to make the finals and Boomer keeping trying to put in. Shows great courage and leadership. Ash would have learnt a lot in the last couple of weeks. You have to work hard and never give up. It's the Shinboner spirit.

 

[greg]

Henneman?

Well I remember a bloke called Jason McCartney who couldn't get a game at Adelaide and genuinely thought he was finished as he was 23 or 24yrs at the time.

Jason was traded to the Roos for a bloke called Mark Stevens because a coach called Denis Pagan thought he had something to offer.

Many of the Roos supporters were disgusted at the trade as young Mark had plenty of potential.

Jason copped plenty of match day abuse in his first year as most of the intellectual Roos supporters detested him being at the club.

Mark went onto be a very good player for Adelaide and Jason, well I think everyone knows the story from here on.

 

[Dingster]

Looking back on 2004, not seeing Watson getting a decent run in the seniors was one of my disappointments.

Probably not a lot of difference to how they brought Harro along. We couldn't afford to carry too many light bodies through the season, so we gave him a taste which hopefully gives him the motivation to build a successful career.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Henneman?

Well I remember a bloke called Jason McCartney who couldn't get a game at Adelaide and genuinely thought he was finished as he was 23 or 24yrs at the time.

Jason was traded to the Roos for a bloke called Mark Stevens because a coach called Denis Pagan thought he had something to offer.

Many of the Roos supporters were disgusted at the trade as young Mark had plenty of potential.

Jason copped plenty of match day abuse in his first year as most of the intellectual Roos supporters detested him being at the club.

Mark went onto be a very good player for Adelaide and Jason, well I think everyone knows the story from here on.

McCartney was a high draft pick, and had a lot of natural ability - he just never seemed to be able to show it any more than in glimpes for the Crows. They also persisted with him as a centre half forward forward, which he wasn't.

Henneman has never played a good game for Essendon. His disposal is shoddy, he's slow, and his decision making and positional sense is rubbish.

 

[tashibatts]

Yay for Harro!!!! Bloody sweet news..

As for the Watson/Henneman trade- ridiculous..

Go Roos

 

[Passmore]

Watson may or may not make it. The coach is definetly a huge wrap for him. Reckons he will be a star.

Henneman, on the other hand, is a hack. Has shown absolutely nothing. Will not make an AFL footballer.

Due to the fact that Ash is still half a chance to make a decent footballer, that on its own makes this trade a shocker.

 

[greg]

McCartney was a high draft pick, and had a lot of natural ability - he just never seemed to be able to show it any more than in glimpes for the Crows. They also persisted with him as a centre half forward forward, which he wasn't.

Henneman has never played a good game for Essendon. His disposal is shoddy, he's slow, and his decision making and positional sense is rubbish.

Why would Sheedy keep him on the list for 5 or 6 years if he 's never played a good game?

Whats being a former high draft pick got to do with anything?

How did they persist with Jason at CHF when he couldn't get a game?

 

[Darky]

Let Henneman go to Carlton.

I'm a little worried that Watson didn't kick on in 2004 but he can definitely play. It must have hurt his prospects quite a lot that he missed/was late for a compulsory recovery session late in 2003 when he was in the senior team. He was dropped for discipline, which was really bad timing for his personal career because it was late in the season and he would have been a chance to stay in the team until Rd 22, and stake a better claim for a more permanent spot in 2004.

I think he needs to have a big game in the GF for Port next week to give Dean a bit of a nudge in the ribs saying "I am good enough" as Port vs Sandy would be as close a standard to AFL as you would get in a lower league. Next year's pre-season comp (whatever the hell it's called now) is also crucial, and I think he needs to be given the opportunity.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Why would Sheedy keep him on the list for 5 or 6 years if he 's never played a good game?

Bomber fans all over the world would like an answer to that one.

 

[greg]

Let Henneman go to Carlton.

I'm a little worried that Watson didn't kick on in 2004 but he can definitely play. It must have hurt his prospects quite a lot that he missed/was late for a compulsory recovery session late in 2003 when he was in the senior team. He was dropped for discipline, which was really bad timing for his personal career because it was late in the season and he would have been a chance to stay in the team until Rd 22, and stake a better claim for a more permanent spot in 2004.

I think he needs to have a big game in the GF for Port next week to give Dean a bit of a nudge in the ribs saying "I am good enough" as Port vs Sandy would be as close a standard to AFL as you would get in a lower league. Next year's pre-season comp (whatever the hell it's called now) is also crucial, and I think he needs to be given the opportunity.

I agree Darky

I think he's worth giving another year to, he must have been a good junior to go at pick 14 but need he needs to show something very soon.

It would be our luck he comes good a year later at another club

 

[greg]

Bomber fans all over the world would like an answer to that one.

I think you'll find that Henneman has been injury prone, probably due to Sheedy trying to play him as a mobile ruckman before his body was ready.

I'm not saying he's worth much on the market at the moment as he hasn't played much recently, probably at best a late pick.

Don't be surprised if he takes Wellman's spot next year and develops into a pretty handy backman.

 

[The Zebra]

I bumped into Kingy just before the season started and asked him who he thought was going to be good in the coming year.

Very quickly replied "Ashley Watson - he is going to be a gun"

 

[nelroo]

A lot of other things come into the equation as to whether a player makes it or not. Potential is not enough.

Yeah, you would think and hope that his teammates would be good judges but thats not always the case.

I remember hearing Duck a few years back replying to a reporters question about the youngesters at the club who he thinks will make it. He thought Rod Crowe was going to be a very good player for us. I think he said the same about Evan Hewitt.

Not having a go at anyone, but just pointing out that nothing is certain and talk really is cheap....

 

[Firrito24]

Does anyone give wellsy or harro a chance for the 2005 brownlow.
i'd imagine they'd be at reasonable odds?

 

[george1]

Wellsy will win it.

 

[Envelopes]

I'd say boomer has more chance next year and then grant but we will see I guess I'd like those two in a another year tho

 

[benno87]

Wells is one year younger than Judd, you do the math.

 

[Darky]

Only site I've found so far that has Brownlow odds is Centrebet.

Wellsy at $141 ($36 a place)

Harvey at $101 ($26)
Simpson $101 ($26)
Grant $126 ($32.25)
Harris $201 ($51)

Value bet from other clubs IMHO is Luke Darcy at $151/$38.50

 

[Twinkletoes]

Thanks Darky. I may have to whack a few bucks down....Wellsy would be a chance..........as would Boomer...............a fit Boomer that is.

T'toes

 

[year of the roo]

I'm gonna get on Harro for a place. He is the type of player who traditionally polls very well, I think Wells' string of 7-8 consecutive Brownlow's will commence in 2006.

 

[Angus1]

I'd say that Wells has a chance of winning although he is a little hot and cold. By next season I think we will see him play a lot more consistant. I really do think he can win the Brownlow but he would have to lift a huge ammount which I'm sure he will and North will have to lift a huge ammount which I'm not so sure about but Wells does have a reasonable chance of a Brownlow.

Harvey on the other hand would need to lift about 200% on last seasons effort so I don't give him much chance at all. One thing he does have in his favour is he only needs to have a half decent game and he seems to get votes from the umps but still he would have to have a huge lift in form from 2004.

Harris had a great year in 2004 yet didn't vote well so I can't see him winning a Brownlow. Hell the vote givers at North didn't even rate him going by the B & F results.

 

[Woodson]

Harris had a great year in 2004 yet didn't vote well so I can't see him winning a Brownlow. Hell the vote givers at North didn't even rate him going by the B & F results.

Getting Thommo to the club to apply ruck duties will surely sky-rocket Harris' exposure / profile I feel as it's always been the case. **shrugs** you'll see.
I have the theory that McKernan isn't regarded as a ruck, Porter was a ROADBLOCK and Hale isn't solid so the Ruck profile at North smothered Harris' profile somewhat. Not a bad roughie to pick up now for the Brownlow. On Wellsy, I feel that his game can become much more creative and hopefully put the finishing touches on the scoreboard like Judd does.

 

[roowatch]

Why do we want to do this to young players? Harro for Brownlow? Can't we let the bloke continue to improve and develop to become a consistent, solid, weekly contributor who will help us win games. Once he reaches that level (and he did take large steps in that direction in "04) then we can pump up his tyres a little more. Wells has al least had a couple of years of regular games and generates the excitement that might win votes, but as he learns, he has rarely taken a game by the scruff of the neck and dominated....but he will. I look forward to watching both of them play good foooty in "05, but if you all have money to waste ...good luck.

 

[wellsythegr8]

Centrebet.

Wellsy at $141 ($36 a place)

Harris $201 ($51)


What are the odds for a wells and harris tie?